Custom Mosin Nagant, anyone?


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mikebravo
January 29, 2012, 08:48 PM
OK, Big 5 seems to have an add in every Sunday paper selling old Mosin Nagants for about $100. This is just killing me. Does anyone have experience doing a home-made custom stock and action (Heck, it's so cheap, you could even do a new barrel...) on one of these? Are they decently reliable and accurate? I mean, the Russians used them for quite a while 'till the AK rolled around.

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Hunterdad
January 29, 2012, 09:26 PM
IMHO....they are what they are, a $100 rifle. They accuracy is minute of grapefruit in most cases. They do sell aftermarket stocks and there was a company making bull barrels for them. I've seen one all decked out do 1.5" at 100yds.

I have an M44 in the safe and I bring it out maybe once a year to make loud noises with it.

303 hunter
January 29, 2012, 10:08 PM
I have a Polish M44 with a custom bolt by The Bolt Man(google him),a Rock Solid scope mount, Nikon Prostaff scope, ATI stock,polished 2 stage trigger, and free floated barrel. All the work was done by me except for the bolt. I have about $375 invested in a rifle that shoots 1.5" groups.My Savage 110 in 308 shoots about the same , for the same money; but I put this rifle together. It makes for some great conversation at the range! If you can find one, buy a Polish rifle. They cost a bit more than the Russian ones, but the fit and finish are better.

Tim the student
January 29, 2012, 11:56 PM
There is a guy on here trying to build a custom stock for a Mosin from scratch, IIRC. LJMosinBuck or something like that is his name.

snakeman
January 30, 2012, 12:12 AM
just wait, you're about to be hammered with pictures. Or at least you should be! there's a lot of people messing around with these guns myself included.

AT2
January 30, 2012, 12:24 AM
This thread just reminded me I need to pick up a 91/30 to beat the snot out of.

jpwilly
January 30, 2012, 12:48 AM
Custom Mosin = Cost of decent base model bolt gun that can shoot 1" groups. The modern rifle with have better scope mounting options, bolt, trigger etc Why bother?

Cal-gun Fan
January 30, 2012, 01:27 AM
Some people like to tinker! I imagine that building a mosin and putting some time into it would be a lot more rewarding than just buying a normal bolt gun.

mikebravo
January 30, 2012, 01:47 AM
Custom Mosin = Cost of decent base model bolt gun that can shoot 1" groups. The modern rifle with have better scope mounting options, bolt, trigger etc Why bother?
jpwilly: Because it would be soooo much more fun and rewarding to say "Hey guys, I built this gun!" as opposed to "Hey, look what I picked up last week". So, mostly personal preference.

35 Whelen
January 30, 2012, 01:50 AM
Does anyone have experience doing a home-made custom stock and action (Heck, it's so cheap, you could even do a new barrel...) on one of these?

You mean like this?:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/M44/P1010037.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/M44/Parked10.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/M44/Parked8.jpg

...or this?:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Mosins/IMG_0063.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Mosins/IMG_0057.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Mosins/IMG_0059.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Mosins/IMG_0070.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Mosins/IMG_0062.jpg

I wanted to do something other than the ol' "low bolt handle, high scope, crazy looking thumbhole stock, pseudo-sniper" thing.

I even came up with a 2, No Creep, Adjustable Mosin Trigger (http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=186&t=50969) that's become a Sticky over on the Surplus Rifle Forum.

Fun projects and I learned alot. But what I eventually realized was that after all that work I still had a clunky, outdated action chambered for a cartridge with a giant rim that was difficult to load in the single stack magazine.
If you can accept those facts and a few more, there's lots of fun to be had for not much money.

35W

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
January 30, 2012, 04:52 AM
Yeah, I'm working on some custom stocks for the mosin nagant. I'm currently working on a stock stylized after the SV-98. I'll post a link to the thread here in a bit, unless someone does it for me.

kozak6
January 30, 2012, 06:47 AM
The Mosin Nagant isn't the best rifle to sporterize. It's a clumsy clunky rifle with an awkward safety. It's a little tricky to mount a scope on. A lot of them have dark and pitted bores from corrosive ammo, which may result in less accuracy than you'd like. The stocks often have so much oil in them it's difficult for me not to make a political joke.

If you want to tinker just for the heck of it, you might as well. Just make sure you check all the markings first, as some of them are collectible.

If you plan on spending a lot of money on it, you would get better results by purchasing a more modern rifle.

If you want to sporterize, you'd be better off with a Mauser.

Clipper
January 30, 2012, 07:29 AM
I have a 91/30 I shortened and recrowned myself to 22", mounted in an ATI stock that I shortened by 1/2" for the new 1" Pachmeyer redline pad. I mounted a Williams FP K-98 peep sight on the receiver ring, and a hooded white bead front. Mounted a Remington 700 bolt handle and I have a 1.5 MOA rifle that I have about $225.00 into that I did myself.

My next project will be a 91/30 shortened to 19", in a Richards full length stock, butterknife bolt handle, with a quarter rib and three leaf express sights. The best part though, is I'm having the barrel rebored and chambered in .348win rimless. I expect to have about a grand into it, but who cares? It'll be the coolest Mosin in the woods, and I'd rather have that than any cookie-cutter production rifle...

TurtlePhish
January 30, 2012, 07:49 AM
I'm amazed a collector hasn't had a conniption in response to this thread yet. :neener:

303tom
January 30, 2012, 11:41 AM
I'm amazed a collector hasn't had a conniption in response to this thread yet. :neener:
I wasn`t going too but, if they are done right they can look damn nice, but I would be ashamed to show some of the stuff some people do. I am not a collector but I did have a few ONCE traded them for a TRUCK. Here is a picture of what I used to have & the truck I now have.

MtnCreek
January 30, 2012, 11:45 AM
Good Trade!

desidog
January 30, 2012, 12:09 PM
I'd like to do a .410 M/N at some point...when i run into a suitable barrel without getting one custom made.

hang fire
January 30, 2012, 02:47 PM
This is a pre-bubbarized Tula I picked up for 25 bucks, scout scoped it, made up the riser cheek piece and a wally world slip on recoil pad.

Don't have a bragging target, but with a HC GC 170 grain cast boolit sized to .316", it will easily print 1" three shot groups at 100 yds.

This is as close to customizing a MN as I will ever get.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/TANSTAAFL-2/P1010313.jpg

cougar1717
January 30, 2012, 03:18 PM
I have no qualms about sporterizing a military rifle - but I'm not a collector. The biggest thing to keep in mind is that a person can buy a run of the mill MN for $100, spend several hundred dollars on stock, scope mount, accessories, etc. It may be the way you like it when you're done, but it's still a $150-$200 gun.

Gordon_Freeman
January 30, 2012, 04:35 PM
Go ahead and destroy those mosins. That will make mine a lot more valuable.

leadcounsel
January 30, 2012, 08:22 PM
I always wonder how much thought someone will put into parting with $100 - like it's their last purchase in the world - for a rifle...

Folks will drop $100 on a nice meal, a sporting event ticket, a monthly cell phone bill, a night out drinking, a pair of shoes (to add to the other million shoes they have) but debate and debate and debate the merits of a rifle..

In a $100 MN, look what you get... REAL war history in a funtioning, high powered rifle that shoots inexpensive ammo... What's not to like.... Sure, it's not 1 MOA like some new rifles at 5 times the cost... but keep in mind these MNs are around 80 years old... WHAT ELSE can you buy for $100 thats 80 years old that works or is relevant??

These MNs make GREAT gifts for friends and relatives too!

elephant_man
January 30, 2012, 08:38 PM
Go ahead and destroy those mosins. That will make mine a lot more valuable.

I'm sure it's skyrocketing into the high $70's now :P

grendelbane
January 30, 2012, 09:06 PM
Notice! No collectible M-N's were harmed in the making of this motion picture.

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm90/grendelbane6/mosincam.jpg

It was sportsterized, probably when I was still in elementary school. I thought I might improve its looks, surely couldn't hurt it. I removed the old shellac finish with lacquer thinner and applied Duplicolor spray truck bed liner, and then a little artully applied Krylon. People with young eyes can actually get a decent group out of it.

I like the rifles, but hate the sights. Why Russia never discovered the advantages of the peep sight, I don't understand.

mgkdrgn
January 30, 2012, 09:42 PM
My last shipment of Mosins has included at least one with a badly cracked stock.

I'd be happy to sell someone the "metal bits" for $75 shipped to their favorite FFL for their Mosin Project rifle.

Brett

72coupe
January 30, 2012, 10:07 PM
How about this one. I got it from a guy in Vietnam for only 20 rounds of 5.56. It has a custom tropical wood stock with some bodaciuos checks and because the chamber was pitted so badly it is now chambered in 308 Norma Mag.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa170/72coupe/DSC00204-1.jpg

Robert
January 30, 2012, 11:01 PM
Meh, I'd rather have the M35A2 in the picture. It would be of more use to me. Though that being said I'd like to have a nice M39 Finn one of these days.

mikebravo
January 31, 2012, 01:27 AM
Yeah, stuff like that. I'd like to make my own stock from scratch, if I could convince the wood shop teacher that I am well-meaning. The hardest part I see is inletting the stock, which would take some work. If I can't do it at school, I guess I'm just using what I got. If I ever took on the project, I would bed the action and float the barrel (but, from what you all tell me, that'd be hardly beneficial with a shot-out bore). Maybe I should just buy a 10/22 for another $40 or so. Tons of extras for those.

T.R.
January 31, 2012, 09:26 AM
This Mosin came out great! But I sold it two years ago; never liked the safety device.

This rifle shot 3" groups at 100 yards (original sights) with Silver Bear hunting ammo.

TR

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/rushmoreman/Mosin1.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/rushmoreman/Mosin4.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/rushmoreman/Mosinactionopen-1.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/rushmoreman/Mosin2.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/rushmoreman/Mosinbottom1.jpg

BrocLuno
January 31, 2012, 11:29 AM
That one is nice looking. Wish more could be a pleasant and well done :)

ball3006
January 31, 2012, 11:35 AM
What Gordon Freeman says...............I have several Mosin Nagants that will beat 1.5 inch groups easily that are stone stock so why bother to bubba one.....chris3

karlb
January 31, 2012, 08:34 PM
35W, is that a M39 front sight on the first rifle? If so, how did you mount it?

War Squirrel
January 31, 2012, 09:07 PM
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii6/Timespace_Jill/DSCF0363.jpg

Custom Mosins don't have to be hideous, guys. This one is mine.

KimberUltra
January 31, 2012, 09:24 PM
I'm gonna shoot my 91/30, but I plan on keeping it in good condition to pass down to my kids/grand kids and whatnot. I'm only 23 now and it's already almost a century old and the value can only go up. There are a billion of them but they may be hard to find in another 60-70 years in working condition.

303tom
January 31, 2012, 09:34 PM
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii6/Timespace_Jill/DSCF0363.jpg

Custom Mosins don't have to be hideous, guys. This one is mine.
Now thats a nice one !

zoom6zoom
January 31, 2012, 09:40 PM
This one was "customized" by the Finns and issued as the M28/76, but might give you some ideas.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g180/zoom6zoom/gun%20stuff/Collection/FinnishM28-76.jpg

goste
January 31, 2012, 09:51 PM
T.R.
Thanks for that photo......That is without a doubt, the nicest looking MN, I've ever seen

cleardiddion
January 31, 2012, 10:22 PM
I'm not usually into bubbasins but T.R's is actually well done.

Did you do it yourself? If so, how long did it take you to do?

hang fire
January 31, 2012, 10:58 PM
35 W, your aperture sight here looks a lot neater than my poor boy ghost I made up many years ago for K98 I scouted. :D

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Mosins/IMG_0059.jpg

http://hstrial-rchambers.homestead.com/PB_Sight1.JPG

tahunua001
February 1, 2012, 04:15 AM
I intend to buy a pair of 91/30s. one is going to stay military configuration and the other one is going to get a boyds thumbhole sporter stock. it was pretty difficult to find a picture of one with that setup but with the one and only picture I found(in the high road's archives somewhere) it was love at first sight.

War Squirrel
February 1, 2012, 04:46 AM
I could never afford it, but I'd love to stick a Tikka Master Sporter stock on mine...
http://www.imt.net/~mele/images/sporter.jpg

Kachok
February 1, 2012, 04:57 AM
If I were going to go through all the trouble of rebuilding an old rifle it would be a an old Mauser not a Mosin, why? Accuracy is sure to be better thanks to the higher quality action, controled round feed, robust mauser extractor claw, and they just look a heck of alot better sitting on a black walnut stock. IMHO the Mosin has too rough an action to ever be something I would ever want to put any real work/money into, give me an M98 anyday.

Tempest 455
February 1, 2012, 11:48 AM
Some can be done with class and shoot well. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFdlnoMXGY0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKQ-CLO0TLw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNSkiQezgmk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezme-iPlvks

Dr. Sandman
February 1, 2012, 01:45 PM
Mikebravo-
You need to get off the computer and go to Big 5 right now and buy a Mosin! Life is too short, my friend. Get one for your wife, too! Then customize the living heck out of it!
I bought an inexpensive kit for mounting a scope on a Mosin. So... I had to buy another Mosin, because I did not want to mess up my first one, which I like!
They are cheap and lots of fun. They are from an era in history where "close enough was good enough", so don't expect any super tight groups.

Good Luck on your mission!

usnmars
February 1, 2012, 08:37 PM
Here is mine that I did a few years back. I made the stock by splicing in a PSL stock and making my own forend. I used a Rock Solid mount and bolt body. I used one of the UK-59 machine gun barrels that TGI was selling a while back. The thing is a dream to shoot and I got the trigger down to about 1lb without any creep. Without further adieu here is the original Monster Mosin.
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/nattcmars/Mosins/Mosin%20project/DSC00304.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/nattcmars/Mosins/Mosin%20project/DSC00305-1.jpg
5 shots at 200 with surplus Russian ammo
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/nattcmars/Mosins/Mosin%20project/newtargets.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/nattcmars/Mosins/Mosin%20project/DSC00270.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/nattcmars/Mosins/Mosin%20project/4.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/nattcmars/Mosins/Mosin%20project/DSC00295.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/nattcmars/Mosins/Mosin%20project/DSC00297.jpg

35 Whelen
February 1, 2012, 08:43 PM
35W, is that a M39 front sight on the first rifle? If so, how did you mount it?

It is an M39 sight. I took the original front sight base/bayonet mount, hacksawed off the bayonet mounting ears, then turned it down on my lathe until the M39 sight would fit it.

35 W, your aperture sight here looks a lot neater than my poor boy ghost I made up many years ago for K98 I scouted.

Hey...looks like it works, that's all that matters!

35W

mikebravo
February 2, 2012, 01:14 AM
Mikebravo-
You need to get off the computer and go to Big 5 right now and buy a Mosin! Life is too short, my friend. Get one for your wife, too! Then customize the living heck out of it!
I bought an inexpensive kit for mounting a scope on a Mosin. So... I had to buy another Mosin, because I did not want to mess up my first one, which I like!
They are cheap and lots of fun. They are from an era in history where "close enough was good enough", so don't expect any super tight groups.

Good Luck on your mission!
Dr. Sandman: now you're my kind of guy!

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