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JackTheRipper
January 29, 2012, 11:05 PM
if a glock is just a glock and an ak47 is an ak47, then does it really mind who has shot it before? I mean, they all should be considerably lower in price if you were to get them from a pawn store right?

thanks...
just would like yalls opinions!

Jack

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oneounceload
January 29, 2012, 11:09 PM
Should be and reality are sometimes not in sync with each other. Pawn shops prices where I live are generally at retail or above

Redlg155
January 29, 2012, 11:24 PM
Pawn shops are no different than any dealer. You are expected to negotiate. Some price at MSRP, even with a used gun. You can bet that he bought for less than half of the blue book value ans will want full value.

newfalguy101
January 29, 2012, 11:26 PM
Course on the other hand, its *possible* the pawnshop stocks new guns as well as used guns.

In which case, I would expect a new gun to have a new gun price

GRIZ22
January 30, 2012, 03:57 AM
if a glock is just a glock and an ak47 is an ak47, then does it really mind who has shot it before? I mean, they all should be considerably lower in price if you were to get them from a pawn store right?


I don't understand why you think a pawn shop should charge less. This is America and small businesses are the backbone of our economy. A pawn shop may price something below market because they got it for less and want to move it but so will a gun shop.

kozak6
January 30, 2012, 06:28 AM
It depends.

Guns at pawn shops generally range from outrageous (common) to reasonable (less common). The internet has reduced the possibility of getting an outright steal, though.

You are going to have to barter, though, to get a good price. And sometimes not even then.

OARNGESI
January 30, 2012, 07:09 AM
Pawn shops always seemed high to me

Lex Luthier
January 30, 2012, 08:29 AM
I love pawn shops. My first question is "What is your best price on that?" Then it is up to them whether I leave bodily or leave some green stuff behind.

The art of negotiation isn't so hard to master. Clearly some employees are ineffectual at their job and unwilling to do business, but there is always someone there who knows how to handle a potential good customer. Remember, Pawn Stars has lowered the standard of horse trading, and a lot of guys go into a pawn shop with the wrong approach.

jon86
January 30, 2012, 08:30 AM
Pawn shops prices where I live are generally at retail or above

This has been my experience as well. And I've lived in three different states where this is the case. I hear people all the time saying that you should buy used guns, and that pawn shops are the way to go. In my experience, just buy new. Don't even bother looking at pawn shops, simply buy new.

fallout mike
January 30, 2012, 08:44 AM
I bought a H& R .17hmr with a leupold vx-1 at a pawn shop last week for $132. The price tag had $269 on it. A pawn shop is one place that you should not feel bad throwing out a low ball offer..That's how they buy their stuff.

Remllez
January 30, 2012, 09:09 AM
Right place right time with cash money!! The last week of the month, will usually net you the best price at a pawn shop or gun shop for that matter.
If you have cash and know how to negotiate you'll likely get your price. Never be afraid to ask!

mgregg85
January 30, 2012, 09:17 AM
Every pawn shop I've been to had crazy high prices on beat up guns. Why would anyone pay above MSRP for a gun that has been used and abused?

Ghost Tracker
January 30, 2012, 09:50 AM
This is an interesting thread. I've bought several things at Pawn Shops over the years (Ping golf irons, Nakamichi/B&O/B&W stereo equipment, Alvarez Yari guitars, etc.) but I've never found what I believed to be a GREAT buy on a firearm. I once asked why & was told by the owner that guns simply GET SOLD. And folks who aren't knowledgable on current gun models & values simply don't KNOW they're often paying retail+ prices for 'em. The guns STILL GET SOLD!

MagnumDweeb
January 30, 2012, 10:11 AM
It's all relative on how good a haggler you are. I was in a cruddy shady pawnshop that sold guns back in December, I saw a 2" barreled S&W Model 64. The guy wanted $450. I politely told him some line like that was very inappropriate about drugs and his possible use, and how when he was finished we could talk business. Now was that nice, nope, was that respectful, nope. But if you treat some folks at pawnshops like they are respectable people they'll think they can negotiate hard and fast with you. You've got money, they need your money, some more than others, and if you are wise you'll shop when you don't need a gun and can take it or leave it at your want, or for lack there of.

After I called him on the BS a few more times looking into his blood shot eyes, sun burned face, and gagging at the smell of rancid alcohol wafting from his body in sickening degrees, I mentioned gunbroker. Oh the hated gunbroker, where you you can find deals if you are patient and look hard enough, and are willing to accept guns that may be used a tad. On the walkout I had him at $350, if I pulled out cash I could have walked OTD at $325, but he had offended me with his presence. Try to play my sympathy with your FFL fees and what, and you'll get no respect from me.

Also look at the pawnshops clientele. Some are made up of nobody but the lowest income types. One that I like to go sells cars and motorcycles, and they get interesting pistols like Colt Goldcups and Kimber Grand Raptors. They want to sell the guns at prices over gunbroker, at least at used prices, and I've seen those guns sit now for over six months, they don't like it when you mention to them you've seen the guns sit for six months or longer.

The nicer pawnshop won't come down much on pricing, and my best advice is to pick out a few guns you like, and then come back in three to four months and see what they have. Talk some garbage with them, count out your cash on the glass in front of them, and stand where you have to. You'll either get the deal or not.

It all comes down to this. Are you a good haggler. Can you smile with a sneer but come off respectable. Can you walk away and accept not getting the gun, do you have where else to get the gun you want. And above all else, cash is king, leave your checks and credit cards at home. When you pay in cash, some pawnshops like to cook their books, and write up the sale of the gun at not much more than what they paid for it. You help them, they might help you.

303tom
January 30, 2012, 10:25 AM
I have not found this to be true, the only way you are going to get ripped off is if you let them. Do your home work & stick to your guns. (pun intended) I have walked out of pawn shops with items for $100 less than they were asking, if you don`t like the price walk away. A lot of times they will stop you & take your offer, especially if they are not having a very good day just to make a few dollars. So haggle with em & don`t be afraid to walk away.

Lawyer with a Gun
January 30, 2012, 10:54 AM
The pawnshop near my house does have high prices on new and used guns. They also have a shooting range on site. Since I have been going there for years, they know me. I treat them politely, I don't waste their time, and I purchased a membership at their range. Whenever I buy there, I start my offer at $150-200 below their asking price, and end up not far from there.

22-rimfire
January 30, 2012, 11:12 AM
Most of the pawn shops I have visited have high to slightly high prices on their handguns and moderate prices on their long guns. There are occasional diamonds in the rough however, but I don't spend a great deal of time hunting "good deals" at pawn shops. It takes a great deal of time for little actual return. I visit when I feel like it or passing by.

One has/had a nice H&R 999 priced at $400. I didn't even ask what they would take for it because it was so over priced. Most seem to expect you to offer $50 under their posted price...

However, one pawn shop near me does $25 transfers (including the NICs check which is usually $10). Their gun prices are close to competitive overall. Most of the gunshops want $35 > $50 for a transfer in my area. They will be getting some transfer business from me in the future and once I am in the shop, sometimes another firearm finds its way into my possession.

sarge83
January 30, 2012, 11:16 AM
One shop in my area is where I buy the majority of my guns. They sell new and used guns. Sometimes their price on a gun is way over the top, sometimes its fair from the get-go, most of the time its in the area where they expect negotiations over it.

If you come in acting like an arrogant ass you will not get any break and will probably be told to get out. Don't be a jerk. Also don't make them an offer on the gun if you are not willing to buy the gun should they say yes and accept it.

If you are a repeat customer and they know you will buy if the price is fair you get a better price sometimes. If the price on the tag is fair take it but always say is this the out the door price, no tax. If you haggle always ask for the OTD price, not the sale price plus taxes. If the price does not seem fair walk. If the gun sits on the shelf for five or six months go back and make your previously rejected offer, it might very well be accepted this time.

You can find some smoking deals, just got a LNIB S&W model 19-4, 4 inch barrel, target grips for $325 OTD. On the other hand if you don't know the fair market price for a gun you can get skinned alive.

22-rimfire
January 30, 2012, 11:21 AM
They had a 4" M19 with a tagged price of $600 or just slightly high. But that is the price on a as-new M19, not one that is 96%.

Certaindeaf
January 30, 2012, 11:33 AM
I stopped by a pawnshop the other day just to putz about. They were too busy to notice me in their tumbleweed blown testament to human misery.
Anyway, I spied on the wall a Mosin Nagant with a price tag of $350.
I thought it would be a waste of time to point out that across the street at Big-5, they were selling them for $85.

tarosean
January 30, 2012, 11:37 AM
It all comes down to this. Are you a good haggler.

If they sticker shocked you into not even wanting to bother they have lost already...

Most the Pawn Brokers around me seem to want to get full retail on everything on their shop. F-that... My cash spends just as well in other places...

Arkansas Paul
January 30, 2012, 12:01 PM
We have some good ones and bad ones around here. I expect that hardy anyone pays what's on the sticker, so they price them a little high.

So haggle with em & don`t be afraid to walk away.

This is very true whether you're dealing with guns, cars, or whatever. Don't think you HAVE to have it. Then they've got you where they want you. Don't be afraid to leave without it. I've had managers at car dealerships run outside to stop me because I was in the car pulling away.

Olympus
January 30, 2012, 12:09 PM
It all depends on the pawn shop owner. I have a local pawn shop that has very few used guns. They also don't advertise, but the order guns on request. I tell them what I'm looking for and they pull out the wholesaler book. They show me the price and add a flat $20 to the price for their efforts. That's what I pay before tax. The wholesaler has an area delivery truck that you can use for free shipping if you're willing to wait an extra day or two. Any time I want to buy something new, I use them. Honest practice and an upfront policy on new guns.

Husker_Fan
January 30, 2012, 12:15 PM
Another thing is that the folks putting price tags on guns at pawn shops aren't always gun guys. I was in a pawn shop that had a bunch of four inch S&W model 10s. The tag said they were three inch and priced accordingly. Some folks just don't know how to measure the barrel.

I've also gotten some of my best deals at pawn shops. They are few and far between and it can pay off to stop in often.

CaliCoastie
January 30, 2012, 12:45 PM
start haggling at about 1/2 of the posted price, even if you feel guilty, just the other day i only started about 75 less than the posted price and bamn they took it, now i was happy because it was still a steal but.... from what i have seen they buy the guns somewhere around 1/3 of what they are asking. some wont move on prices(if its good enough ill swallow my pride and buy) but most of the time if they wont move on the price ill just walk. I know they ripped off someone else and are just waiting for a sucker to buy at what they are asking.(i know the prices because i have seen a marlin 1894 in 357 they bought for 150, and sold to me for 300otd, they came down from 350, but wouldnt move because alot of people were looking for that rifle)

and one of the most inportant things is dont be afraid to walk out. good luck

Rshooter
January 30, 2012, 03:37 PM
Our local pawn shops are chocked full of guns. I have never seen so many guns in one place as one shop has. Try to barter with them and you find out why. I asked the man at the counter why the gun was priced so high and he was not willing to haggle, he blamed the price of gas.

Certaindeaf
January 30, 2012, 04:33 PM
Did he look you directly in the eye when he said that? They'll do that. It's not against the law to enunciate and projet properly.. nevermind.

mgmorden
January 30, 2012, 04:36 PM
Right place right time with cash money!!

Actually, I've found that a lot of pawn shops will go lower on the price if you put the gun on layaway. All the ones around here have a forfeiture clause that basically means you lose any payments made if you are late - so they like layaways as often times they get the item back plus whatever money was paid.

A lot of times I'll put an item on layaway for the lower price . . . . then come by later the next day and pay off the item ;).

azgard
January 30, 2012, 07:33 PM
Of course prices are high, his job is to work the price up, your job is to work it down! If he start's low doesn't leave him any room to haggle.

Mike1234567
January 30, 2012, 07:50 PM
All the pawn shops I've been into for the last 20+ years want retail+ for used guns... or most anything else for that matter. I don't have the time nor the patience to keep going back until they finally come off the price. When I did try the savings wasn't enough to buy an as-is gun. Why do I go to pawn shops these days? I buy used DVD movies because those are actually priced well... they're overrun with them.

Dean1818
January 30, 2012, 08:39 PM
Our local pawnshop has some good deals and some ones not so good.

I have purchased 2 rifles and one shotgun from them.

$300 for an excellent condition 336 with a nice scope

$325 for a very good Norinco sks, that had a gunsmith trigger job, like new bore, and perfect wood.

$280 for a 870, very good condition

Not the best absolute prices on each, but no ffl fee and no shipping charges

I think i had a good deals on each.

I actually sold the marlin, and made a nice profit.

I also check the holsters as well. He had the deluxe crossbreed supertuck for $10

They are SO easy to reform to any pistol, so i bought it.

He now has a Ruger SP101 in 357 in what looks to be 2.5 inch barrel
That is very nice for $350.


I may get that one ....... Just trying to determine if i really need it.

TennJed
January 31, 2012, 12:14 AM
Have a great pawn shop in my area. Here are some of the examples I got from them last year. All prices are TOTAL OUT THE DOOR.

Ruger Single Six Stainless $225
Ruger Blackhawk blued 357/9mm $329
Ruger Vaquero (old model) Stainless $400
Makarov 380 $199

PapaG
January 31, 2012, 10:56 AM
Pawn shop finds in the last ten years: Colt Series 80 38 Super LNIB- $440, Remington 870 Wingmaster, 90%-$135, Rem. 870 Express, 95%, $110, and there were others....most of these were bought for less than 75% of the marked price. There were some I passed up, too. Colt Cobra, lucky to make 55% they wanted $600, Savage 24V, 357/20 with cracked stock, broken forend spring and missing top firing pin, $375.
Look 'em over carrefully, make the offer, and don't be ashamed to walk.

22-rimfire
January 31, 2012, 11:36 AM
When buying anything, you need to take emotions out of the equation. Once emotions set in, they will begin to control your decisions whether it be a car, gun, or TV. But life wouldn't be very much fun if all decisions lacked the emotion component.

Oh that is such a nice Colt Diamondback. Haven't seen one of those in years. I want it. I want it.

loneviking
January 31, 2012, 12:43 PM
I love pawn shops and have scored some good deals there. Last month found a like new Browning BDA .380 for $400. Saw the same model gun,same condition sell later in the month at Cabelas for $650.

Late last month found a like new S&W 910 and bargained the cost down to $300. There's good deals out there if you are patient and do your homework.

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