[2ifbyC]

I’m looking into buying a CZ-75B. All of my automatics are SA w/o decocker except a DA Makarov (terrible DA trigger pull). Does the DA w/ decocker provide additional value for the user or is the option primarily personal preference?

[CCCP]

I have CZ 75 with decoker. Trigger pull is a little easier with "decocked" hammer, than traditional DA. Also it is a matter of personal preference - I prefer to carry "decocked" instead of "cocked and locked".

[barneyrw]

I don't like decockers. I don't like anything being done automatically that I may or may not want done. When I put the safety on, that's what I want done. If I want the hammer lowered, I'll do it manually. I don't want my gun or anything else trying to do my thinking for me.

[The Lone Haranguer]

Personal preference. Mine would be to have a decocker (suffixed "D"). It shortens the DA pull stroke and reach, which is otherwise very long for me, and operates just like the PCR I already have. Also, the standard safety on B models is not well placed or shaped for my thumbs.

[Bozwell]

It's personal preference. The decocker gives you a safe way to lower the hammer on the gun. You can do so manually but I personally prefer to err on the side of caution. Is this going to be a carry gun? If so, go with the system you feel more comfortable with. If it's just a range gun, I wouldn't really worry one way or the other. You probably won't use either safety system for punching holes in paper targets.

[T1gger]

I'll echo that it's all personal preference. I'll also add that there is something to be said for having a consistent trigger pull from your first to last shot. In this case, you'd be looking at a manual safety, allowing for cocked and locked functioning, or a DAO manual of arms (not sure if CZ even makes that). Again personal preference, but something to keep in mind.

[JTQ]

The Lone Haranguer wrote,
It shortens the DA pull stroke and reach, which is otherwise very long for me, and operates just like the PCR I already have. Also, the standard safety on B models is not well placed or shaped for my thumbs.
My sentiments exactly. I really like the feel of the CZ 75B in my hand, but I have a hard time reaching the trigger in double action mode, and I find the thumb safety difficult to actuate if I plan on using the pistol as a single action only.

[beatledog7]

Mine's just for range/target use, so it's a factory SA. If it were for carry, it would be a regular DA/SA.

But I actually prefer a DAO semi-auto or a DA revolver for carry, and that means I don't choose any CZ-75 for carry.

[Pilot]

I am not a huge decocker fan as I have no problem decocking a manual safety gun, and I liked the ability to carry C&L. I have both a 75B, and the PCR which is a decocker, and it doesn't bother me, so both variations work for me, but I'd rather the PCR have the manual safety instead, but it is not big deal.

[1SOW]

I have a CZ w/o decocker and Sig with a decocker.
Personal preferrence is without the decocker.

[PO2Hammer]

I think you have to decide on your primary condition before you buy. If you're going cocked & locked to match your other SA autos, get the standard 75B.

If you want to have it ready to go with the hammer down primarily, get the decocker model. I'm sure you know there is no safety on the decocker version. Basically it will handle like a Sig P220/P226

I bought the 75B a couple months ago. I'm used to Sigs and HK's, so the 75B is kind of in between. I really missed the decocker at first, but then I switched to C&L and don't decock on a live round. Basically I treat it just like a 1911.

My nest one will be a decocker version. Probably due to the sweet ergonomics and the trigger job, my DA/SA transition shooting has never been better, and I prefer DA first shot carry.

Decocking the 75B to the half cock/safety notch is easy with the gun loaded so you can have it either way with the basic 75B.

[f4t9r]

great choice in the CZ.
I love the 75B, what a great shooter. If you are going to use the gun for carry may want the D series

[Cactus Jack Arizona]

I've had both CZ75B and BD. The B model has a little nicer trigger, plus trigger work can be done easier and cheaper without the decocker. Personally, I'm 50-50 either way, as long as it's a CZ. :) However, if I'm going to conceal carry it, I prefer the decocker. I'm not real comfortable with the cocked and locked type of carry.

[Oldnoob]

I’m looking into buying a CZ-75B. All of my automatics are SA w/o decocker except a DA Makarov (terrible DA trigger pull). Does the DA w/ decocker provide additional value for the user or is the option primarily personal preference?

It's definitely personal preference. But in general, most shooter prefer none decocker model. I personally prefer SA model.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/johell/My%20gun/CZ75BSA.jpg

[maskedman504]

I prefer decockers in any platform that is not 1911. ;)

[chicharrones]

I don't like decockers. I don't like anything being done automatically that I may or may not want done. When I put the safety on, that's what I want done. If I want the hammer lowered, I'll do it manually. I don't want my gun or anything else trying to do my thinking for me.

The CZ decockers are not a combo safety-decocker like on a Beretta 92 or a Walther PPK. The CZ decocker models have no manual safety whatsoever, so there is no safety that also decocks the gun.

[chicharrones]

Since I don't like manual safety guns for my own concealed carry, I like the decocker version of the CZ 75. In my case, I have a CZ75D PCR. It works just fine for the range too.

[Furncliff]

A de-cocker is something I would most likely not want. I bought my 75b on the spur off the moment. Given that all I use it for is the range, I would choose the SA next time.

[Sergei Mosin]

I have always wondered why there is a DA/SA version with a safety. Do they really expect people to manually lower the hammer on a live round and carry that way? That seems very strange to my 1911-trained mind. DA/SA with decocker, sure; SAO with safety, absolutely. But DA/SA with safety?

[1SOW]

I have always wondered why there is a DA/SA version with a safety. Do they really expect people to manually lower the hammer on a live round and carry that way?

Yes. Why not? It has a FP safety that requires trigger pull let the hammer move forward if that is the concern.

Are you against owning a DA revolver?

[316SS]

Furncliff wrote:
I bought my 75b on the spur off the moment. Given that all I use it for is the range, I would choose the SA next time.

I don't mean to pick on you, Furncliff, because I have seen this sort of thing written many times before. Why would a single action only (CZ 75B SA) be more appropriate for the range, but not for CC? I have seen:
"If it were a range toy ..."
"If it were a sporting gun ..."
"If I weren't going to carry it ..."
"...I would get the SA."
Yet nobody hesitates to carry a Hi-Power or a 1911. I get that you can carry a standard CZ-75B cocked and locked, but by all accounts the SA trigger is better out of the box. Why not buy a CZ-75B SA for CCW???

[Sergei Mosin]

Yes. Why not? It has a FP safety that requires trigger pull let the hammer move forward if that is the concern.

The only way to lower the hammer on a CZ 75, not equipped with decocking lever, is to pull the trigger and ride the hammer down with the thumb. As you say, the CZ 75B has a firing pin safety, so carrying one with the hammer down doesn't concern me - it's getting it there, on a non-decocker model, that concerns me. Lowering the hammer on a live round with one finger on the trigger and one thumb on the hammer strikes me as inherently unsafe.

If I wanted a DA capability or was uncomfortable with Condition One carry, I would buy a decocker model. I just don't see the point of a DA capability on a model equipped with a manual safety and without a decocking lever - the only way to utilize the DA capability on such a weapon is to first execute a maneuver I consider unsafe.

[Sergei Mosin]

Furncliff wrote:


I don't mean to pick on you, Furncliff, because I have seen this sort of thing written many times before. Why would a single action only (CZ 75B SA) be more appropriate for the range, but not for CC? I have seen:
"If it were a range toy ..."
"If it were a sporting gun ..."
"If I weren't going to carry it ..."
"...I would get the SA."
Yet nobody hesitates to carry a Hi-Power or a 1911. I get that you can carry a standard CZ-75B cocked and locked, but by all accounts the SA trigger is better out of the box. Why not buy a CZ-75B SA for CCW???

This is another thing I wonder about. If I owned a CZ 75 (which I will someday) and were going to carry it (which I would from time to time) I would carry it in Condition One. As the DA part of the DA/SA capability of the standard model is of no use to me, I might spend the extra money for the better trigger of the SAO model, unless there were some compelling reason not to.

[chris in va]

I've had a 75BD since 2003. After buying my 97b last year, I now realize a decocker is just an added piece of unnecessary fluff. The safety version gives you two options, c/l or half cock...or even full down if you wish.

Why not buy a CZ-75B SA for CCW???

The average shooter/CCP holder isn't muscle trained to swipe off a safety before firing. It takes lots of practice, especially under duress. It took me a few matches to get the hang of it.

[316SS]

chris in va wrote:
The average shooter/CCP holder isn't muscle trained to swipe off a safety before firing. It takes lots of practice, especially under duress.

I agree that every CC should practice with their firearm of choice, whatever that may be. But many many people seem to manage it with a 1911, so why not a CZ?

I'm in the market for a CZ to carry open and concealed. I keep coming back to the SA because of the improved trigger. I plan to carry condition 1, and I would be willing to trade the "second strike" capability and the versatility (which I wouldn't take advantage of 99% of the time) of the DA/SA trigger for the better single action trigger.

I promise I will practice with the safety before I carry it. ;)

[2ifbyC]

Thanks for the input guys. BTW, I have a Sig P220 that is SAO w/o decocker; CDNN sold it as a "custom" run since most P220s are SA/DA w/decocker.

I ended up buying the CZ 75BD from Bud's; the available choices were a SA/DA or the SA/DA w/decocker. This will be primarily a range gun. It was cheaper than the SA/DA which was surprising. The reason for the decocker choice was the shorter DA pull stroke that The Lone Haranguer mentioned. I don't plan to carry so the safety issue does not apply. I was looking for a well made accurate pistol and the CZ should be a welcome addition to my collection. As most have stated, the decocker option is more on personal preference than added value. And I believe I can adapt.;)

[chicharrones]

Furncliff wrote:


I don't mean to pick on you, Furncliff, because I have seen this sort of thing written many times before. Why would a single action only (CZ 75B SA) be more appropriate for the range, but not for CC? I have seen:
"If it were a range toy ..."
"If it were a sporting gun ..."
"If I weren't going to carry it ..."
"...I would get the SA."
Yet nobody hesitates to carry a Hi-Power or a 1911. I get that you can carry a standard CZ-75B cocked and locked, but by all accounts the SA trigger is better out of the box. Why not buy a CZ-75B SA for CCW???

If Furncliff is thinking like I'm thinking, I understand his statement about SAO for a range gun. I think he is meaning that the DA of a DA/SA pistol is pretty much unused and unneccessary on a gun that is only going to shoot paper as in bullseye shooting. This being that most range pistols will start with the slide locked back, chamber empty before a magazine is inserted. Releasing the slide chambers the round and leaves the gun cocked. Most people using a DA/SA for just non-self defense target shooting would probably not lower the hammer to practice DA.

I know that some people opt for single action revolvers over double action revolvers for the same reason in that some revolver shooters always cock the gun for the lighter and crisper trigger pull when target shooting. Again, not talking about self defense target shooting.

Considering the CZ-75B SA for CCW, it is a full size gun. Not everyone carries full size guns concealed.

Perhaps if CZ made a Compact model of the SAO CZ that there would be a few buyers. How many buyers? Probably not enough for CZ to want to do it. Maybe a custom CZ SAO Compact from CZ Custom would be the way, if they offered such a beast.

[razorback2003]

I decock my CZ 75 by putting my right thumb in between the hammer and firing pin. I put pressure on the hammer as I squeeze the trigger to release the hammer. I then get my trigger finger out of the trigger guard THEN let the hammer down. As long as you aren't pulling the trigger the hammer can slip and won't make the gun fire.

[FMF Doc]

I love DA/SA w/ decocker. I grew up with it on the M-9 in the service and continued by love afair with it through my Sigs. All the benefits of safe ready to go DA without having to mess witha safety, and the option if you need/want for a clean short SA shot. And CZ respond well to some gunsmithing, and I have shot some whose DA pulll feels like a tuned S&W revolver and SA feels like a 1st class 1911.

[armoredman]

There is another option...get the CZ P-07 and make your own czoice. Manual safety or decocker? Which one do you feel like today? :)
I manually decocked a Witness for 13 years, then moved into CZs and decided I like decockers and the half cock trigger pull. Never looked back. :)

[twofifty]

You're right that lowering the hammer with the thumb is unsafe - once slip and off she goes.

Razorback2003 has pointed out a safe technique:
"I decock my CZ 75 by putting my right thumb in between the hammer and firing pin. I put pressure on the hammer as I squeeze the trigger to release the hammer. I then get my trigger finger out of the trigger guard THEN let the hammer down. As long as you aren't pulling the trigger the hammer can slip and won't make the gun fire."


Here's another:

Pinch the hammer between your thumb and middle finger. Place the index finger behind the hammer. Pull the trigger and lower the hammer with the pinched fingers. Remove index finger so hammer can be fully lowered.

With this method, if your pinched grip fails you the hammer will fall onto your index finger so there's no harm done. I've tried it and it doesn't even hurt the index.

[FMF Doc]

You're right that lowering the hammer with the thumb is unsafe - once slip and off she goes.

Razorback2003 has pointed out a safe technique:
"I decock my CZ 75 by putting my right thumb in between the hammer and firing pin. I put pressure on the hammer as I squeeze the trigger to release the hammer. I then get my trigger finger out of the trigger guard THEN let the hammer down. As long as you aren't pulling the trigger the hammer can slip and won't make the gun fire."


Here's another:

Pinch the hammer between your thumb and middle finger. Place the index finger behind the hammer. Pull the trigger and lower the hammer with the pinched fingers. Remove index finger so hammer can be fully lowered.

With this method, if your pinched grip fails you the hammer will fall onto your index finger so there's no harm done. I've tried it and it doesn't even hurt the index.
Well I wouldn't say NO harm...it'll eat up your finger pretty well!

[Sergei Mosin]

Considering the CZ-75B SA for CCW, it is a full size gun. Not everyone carries full size guns concealed.

Perhaps if CZ made a Compact model of the SAO CZ that there would be a few buyers. How many buyers? Probably not enough for CZ to want to do it. Maybe a custom CZ SAO Compact from CZ Custom would be the way, if they offered such a beast.

An SAO CZ 75 Compact for CCW would be a neat item, but you're right - it's probably a very small niche, basically competing with Commander-sized 9mm 1911s. Not too many of those out there. I suspect most folks who are sufficiently dedicated to SAO for CCW that they do not want a DA/SA gun are willing to carry a full-size gun - they're probably all 1911 and/or BHP owners anyway.

But a Custom Shop version would be pretty sweet. In matte stainless, while I'm dreaming...

[TCBPATRIOT]

I prefer the 75 P-01 its got a decocker and SA-DA trigger

[beatledog7]

Why not carry a CZ-75 SA?

Go ahead if that's what you like. Many people do carry SA in cocked and locked condition, and that's perfectly fine. Others prefer to carry a DA/DAO gun without a manual safety, and that's also perfectly fine.

[railroader]

An SAO CZ 75 Compact for CCW would be a neat item, but you're right - it's probably a very small niche, basically competing with Commander-sized 9mm 1911s. Not too many of those out there. I suspect most folks who are sufficiently dedicated to SAO for CCW that they do not want a DA/SA gun are willing to carry a full-size gun - they're probably all 1911 and/or BHP owners anyway.

But a Custom Shop version would be pretty sweet. In matte stainless, while I'm dreaming...
Here's my compact sao. It's not actually that hard to change them over.

http://i55.tinypic.com/2ptc4mf.jpg

[ckone]

What's important to keep in mind in a discussion like this is that many of these posts are coming from a very "Americanized" sense (or maybe "traditional" is a better word) point of view of what a DA/SA gun means...

As I understand it, the CZ-75 design was designed to be specifically SA/DA (SA 1st, DA 2nd), meaning DA capability as an option instead of what we're all used to with Beretta's and Sig's with DA/SA, meaning DA first pull/shot. From what I've read out there, think a CZ's DA is more like insurance for old crummy eastern-bloc ammo, more second-strike capability than carry option. Once they went to the firing-pin-block B-models in the eighties, DA carry became truly viable (read: safe) and was very much in-vogue at that time.

Personally, I look at it like this: since I like the CZ design, I naturally am not a fan of the decocker models. A safety-equipped model gives me a choice to carry either way if I want to, a decocker-model does not. Half-kidding, If one thinks lowering a hammer manually is too dangerous, maybe they should take up Golf instead of firearms, it's really not that scary, and IMHO it is certainly safer than risking accidentally riding a decocker with your thumb while under stress...

[TMann]

One more point to add: The safety equipped models also have a "half-cock" position for the hammer. So if you are comfortable manually lowering the hammer to the half-cock position, you have the same shortened DA trigger pull as the decocker-equipped models.

TMann

[vtbluegrass]

I am biased. My first pistol was a 75 BD Police. A CZ before being CZ was cool, paid 325 you are jealous don't deny it. So my go to gun will always be it over anything else. I just don't like the orientation of the safety lever on the other CZ's so I may always be a decocker person when it comes to 75's. I will say for a competition or just range fun if I had little extra scratch laying around the 75 SA custom shop would be dang fine based one I shot that belonged to a fellow CZ fan I met at the range.

[Trunk Monkey]

It's been said, it's your choice. I prefer the non-decocker because it gives me the option of carrying in condition one should I choose to.

[JTQ]

ckone wrote,
As I understand it, the CZ-75 design was designed to be specifically SA/DA (SA 1st, DA 2nd), meaning DA capability as an option instead of what we're all used to with Beretta's and Sig's with DA/SA, meaning DA first pull/shot. From what I've read out there, think a CZ's DA is more like insurance for old crummy eastern-bloc ammo, more second-strike capability than carry option. Once they went to the firing-pin-block B-models in the eighties, DA carry became truly viable (read: safe) and was very much in-vogue at that time.
The CZ safety was discussed on another thread in this forum and the theory was proposed that the CZ was designed for double action carry and the safety was used during "maneuver" during a course of fire when you didn't have time to safely lower the hammer. I tend to believe this is the more logical reason for the safety design on the CZ.

[316SS]

beatledog7 wrote:
Why not carry a CZ-75 SA?

Go ahead if that's what you like. Many people do carry SA in cocked and locked condition, and that's perfectly fine.

Thanks, don't mind if I do. ;) In fact I'll be picking up my CZ 75B SA in about two weeks. :cool:

JTQ wrote:
The CZ safety was discussed on another thread in this forum and the theory was proposed that the CZ was designed for double action carry and the safety was used during "maneuver" during a course of fire when you didn't have time to safely lower the hammer. I tend to believe this is the more logical reason for the safety design on the CZ.

That's interesting. I hadn't read that, but it makes sense to me, though it seems like needing to remember which mode you are in during real life engagement would might present some issues. I suppose you could train to sweep the safety, and if it were already off, no harm done. Personally I want one mode only in a carry gun. DA revolver? No problem. "1.5 action" striker-fired pistol? No problem. SAO? No problem. DA first shot and SA thereafter? No thank you. But to each his or her own.

[Pilot]

The manual safety CZ's can be carried at the half cock notch for a shorter DA trigger pull. I'v been manually decocking my CZ's, and BHP's for many years, and have never even been close to having a negligent discharge. I don't understand the concern, as this was what had to be done for a long time prior to decockers. That being said I carry a CZ PCR with a decocker because that is the only way CZ sells it, and I am OK with that too. I just find it unnecessary.

[larryflew]

Just sold my PCR because it was the ONLY of 6 CZ's that had a decocker and as such it never got used or put into any CCW rotation. I also carry a Canik and Kimber at times which are also safety.

Many are too young to remember that almost all guns way back when had half cock position and there wasn't such a thing as a decocker. Never had a problem doing it manually if that is what you are used to. My method is similar to one described b4 but with thumb and index finger squeezing the hammer and middle finger behind the hammer. Quick trigger pull and even if you pulled your middle finger out of the way with FP block it would not go off since you already have your trigger finger off of the trigger.