What 223/5.56 ammo does not have a crimped primer??


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Rule3
January 30, 2012, 07:56 PM
For reloading purpose I am looking for a brand of 223 Rem (brass, boxer) that does not have the darn crimped primer. I want to be able to reload the brass without swagging or reaming every primer pocket. I have the RCBS crimp removal "die" but it's a pain and I do not want to buy the Dillon.

So does anyone know of a brand that is not crimped, I want to buy a case, shoot it and reloaded it for a AR.

Thanks

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newfalguy101
January 30, 2012, 07:58 PM
If it aint military/LEO surplus, it doesnt have a crimped primer

NeuseRvrRat
January 30, 2012, 07:59 PM
plenty of non-crimped 223 options out there. winchester, remington, federal, hornady, and more.

plunge
January 30, 2012, 07:59 PM
you could buy commercially reloaded ammo. I have bought from ammoman and tactical ammunition and it already had the crimp removed. I think the stuff i got from tactical ammunition was reloaded by BVAC and i never had any issues with it, fairly accurate too. ammoman has 223 for $300/1000 shipped.

kennedy
January 30, 2012, 08:11 PM
I have a case of lake city that is not crimped, I don`t think it was made for the military.

Rule3
January 30, 2012, 08:36 PM
I bought a case of PMC Bronze not even thinking of crimp. Yep it's crimped.:(

I guess i should have added, "not expensive premium stuff":D

Rem, Win, Hornady is a bit more than the other bulk stuff. Maybe the commercial reloaded stuff but that kinda scares me.

NeuseRvrRat
January 30, 2012, 09:22 PM
kinda hard to find cheap bulk military surplus ammo without a military crimp. can't have your cake and eat it too.

Brassman Brass (http://store.brassmanbrass.com/servlet/StoreFront) has a lot of options for uncrimped once fired brass and once fired brass that's already had the crimp removed. maybe that would be the best option for you.

ArchAngelCD
January 30, 2012, 09:39 PM
I was watching Shooting USA last night and Found out something I did not know. Jim Scoutten said all current Federal .223 ammo has crimped primers. I guess that means you won't be buying Federal ammo any time soon.

Jim on the show also said to look carefully because there is a lot more crimped primer pockets than you would think on current sporting ammo. I have not seen any but I have no reason to doubt Jim.

cfullgraf
January 30, 2012, 10:02 PM
Rem, Win, Hornady is a bit more than the other bulk stuff. Maybe the commercial reloaded stuff but that kinda scares me.

If you are planning to reload it, why not buy new brass and load it yourself to begin with.

If the case has not had a primer in it, then it never was crimped.

Watch for deals and sales.

243winxb
January 30, 2012, 10:29 PM
http://www.black-hills.com/ Black Hill Ammo, great place to buy reloads or new. I have used there 223 in FMJ, Soft point & Match ammo. Available at > http://www.midwayusa.com/brand/black-hills-ammunition

ScottRiqui
January 30, 2012, 10:33 PM
I've noticed that if I'm using the harder CCI #41 primers, they seat just fine even if I don't remove the crimp. I'll still swage the primer pockets a little bit, but it doesn't seem to be necessary.

medalguy
January 30, 2012, 10:34 PM
You only have to remove the crimp once for the life of the brass.

plunge
January 31, 2012, 12:19 AM
I don't know why you would be scared of commercial reloads. It's not like it is some guy in his parents basement reloading them. Just go with a reputable company and it'll be fine. I have shot over 4000 commercially reloaded rounds thru my AR and never even had one dud.

helotaxi
January 31, 2012, 02:29 AM
If it aint military/LEO surplus, it doesnt have a crimped primer

If only it were that simple. Federal crimps all their .223 factory ammo, not just the 5.56. That includes the American Eagle and the bulk stuff you can get relatively cheaply at Wally World.

That and PMC as has also been mentioned.

Since you only have to remove the crimp once, buying some type of primer pocket swage tool makes sense if you plan to reload a decent amount of .223. The tool will last your lifetime. If I were to amortize the cost of my Dillon Super Swage ($100) over the number of pieces of otherwise free range pick-up once fired brass that it has allowed me to reload, each crimped pocket case has cost me less than three cents and a few seconds of my time. Compare that to the cheapest processed fired cases and you're in the 50% range. Compare it to the cheapest virgin cases and you're in the 20% range. The best part is that the more I use the tool the cheaper each case gets since that cost is spread out over more and more cases. I have 1000's of pieces of .223 brass at my disposal thanks to that $100 tool.

If you still don't think it's worth bothering with, Remington, Winchester and Hornady are going to be your "go-to" brands. I like Winchester brass and use virgin Win. cases for my precision loads. I'm not a fan on Remington cases (or ammo for that matter) but I don't throw the cases that I find out. Hornady brass and ammo are pricey. Win cases are in the $25 range new and their bulk ammo (.223, the White Box 5.56 has a crimped primer) is usually about $10/20. Rem is about the same price.

Rule3
January 31, 2012, 09:06 AM
I have a lot of Hornady brass that I use in my bolt action varmint rifle. I only need to neck size those.

I was wanting a case of loaded ammo so I could at least just shoot it as I hate loading 223:( I load pretty much every handgun and several rifle calibers. Using the AR just seems to use a lot of ammo:D

There is a local guy that deals in nothing but brass where I can buy tons of it, military or commercial but as I said above I got to load it.

I might go with the Tactical Ammo suggestion on some reloaded stuff.

Bad Flynch
January 31, 2012, 09:17 AM
Simply go to Jeff at www.gibrass.com . He offers once-fired brass of different headstamps and also offers to process the brass for a very small fee; that fee will get the primer pocket crimps removed and you don't have to mess with it.

joed
January 31, 2012, 03:20 PM
When I got my first .223 I bought a few Federal Bulk Packs of ammo. Not military either. Turned out to be crimped.

In the end I hated the .223 so badly that I doubt I'll ever own another. Between crimping and heavy bullets with a fast twist I moved on to the .22-250.

Rule3
February 19, 2012, 02:00 PM
I went with the DRS re manufactured from Ammo to Go. I have purchased from them before. The batch they had/have has NO crimp . I called to verify that first. They stated any new batches will have crimp.

This ammo, looks better than new and functions fine. I am real happy with it.:)

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/pName/1000rds-223-drs-55gr-fmj-ammo/cName/223-556-fmj-ammo

TwoEyedJack
February 19, 2012, 08:58 PM
Through several trades, I ended with with a few thousand once-fired LC with the dreaded crimped primers. They sat in my reloading room for quite a while. Then I happened across a used Dillon super swage. Very easy to use and does a great job. I did all my cases in a couple of evenings and am good to go. Once I shoot up all the Federal factory loads I will probably sell it on ebay for what I paid for it.

bds
February 19, 2012, 11:31 PM
Isn't $279/1000 kinda steep for reloaded ammo? You can buy brand new Federal XM193 LC 55 gr FMJ ammo for $299/1000 (palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/federal-xm193f-brown-box-5-56mm-55gr-fmj.html) and get a drill-based primer pocket un-crimper (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/789334/le-wilson-chamfer-and-deburring-tool-17-to-45-caliber)


You can buy processed once-fired .223 brass with primer pocket crimps removed from TJ Coneveras for $80/1000 with free shipping - http://www.tjconevera.com/onfi223comip.html
1000 Once Fired 223 Commercial & Military Processed Brass. This brass has been processed using Scharch machines. They check the round for cracks and it removes the primer, and reams the primer pocket. The brass has not been resized. The brass has been polished. This is not loaded ammunition. Headstamps are mixed commercial & military.
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-19878442352198_2196_11451318

medalguy
February 20, 2012, 12:02 AM
Why not buy inexpensive crimped military surplus brass for about 5 cents each, then send it to Custom Brass Processing? He will FL resize, deprime, swage the primer pocket, trim to proper length, polish bright, and ship back to you for 3.5 cents per piece plus postage in a flat rate box. That's the easiest way to do it and you get brass ready to prime and load.

TxSoldier
February 20, 2012, 01:26 AM
Thanks for the tip Medalguy. I looked him up, don't look bad. Something for me to possibly consider.

Rule3
February 20, 2012, 08:58 AM
The object was to get "loaded" brass with no crimp. Yes, it may be a bit more but saves me the hassle of 1) loading it the first time and 2) removing the crimp. It is loaded with Hornady bullets and Hodgdon powder,I have the RCBS crimp removal die which works well but still a pain.

This ammo is all LC brass so I get to "enjoy" shooting 1k rounds and not have to load it which I dislike. (AKA "blast away":D)
I load pretty much every handgun caliber there is and bolt action (neck sized) 223 for my Savage varmint rifle. 223 is a PITA in large amounts (at least to me):)

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