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BP Hunter
February 1, 2012, 05:21 PM
OK, guys, I will need your help here. I am going to buy a big game rifle for deer and maybe black bear. I am choosing betwween teh .270 and .308. I use to have a .270 many years ago to hunt javelinas and wild pigs when I lived in Texas. I also checked the ballistics of the .270 and .308 in the Hornady ballistic charts. They are very similar. Forgive my ignorance but is one cailber more accurate than the other? And which of the 2 has a greater recoil?

Thanks.

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rcmodel
February 1, 2012, 05:37 PM
The .308 can be usually had in a medium length action.

The .270 would only be available in a standard long action.

A typical .270 load is a 130 grain bullet at 3,060 FPS.
It drops 15.5" at 400 yards with a 200 yard zero.
It has 1,438 fp/lb energy at 400 yards.
Bullet weights are commonly available ranging from 100 to 150 grain.


A typical .308 load might be a 165 grain bullet at 2,700 FPS.
It drops 21" at 400 yards with a 200 yard zero.
It has 1,460 ft/lb energy at 400 yards.
Bullet weights are commonly available ranging from 150 to 180 grains.

SO, drop is slightly more, but bullets are heavier and may give better penetration and performance on big game.

In equal weight rifles, the .308 will kick slightly more then a .270, but probably not enough to notice.

The other thing is, .308 ammo is widely available everywhere, sometimes at very attractive prices.
.270 Win? Not so much as there really isn't any cheap .270 practice ammo.

rc

Kachok
February 1, 2012, 05:38 PM
308s and 270 win are both about the same in terms of recoil, 270 shoots a little flatter, neither has an edge in killing power because while the higher speed seems to give the 270 a slight edge on deer, the larger heavier .30 cal is better suited to larger anamals. Flip a coin I liked them both, not as much as I have grown to like the 6.5mms though.

xfyrfiter
February 1, 2012, 05:41 PM
The 270 will shoot flatter at mid ranges, 308 has better bullet selection, I have owned and fired both, and I would be hard pressed to choose. That being said, all in all the 308 has a much better selection of ammo, and is cheaper to shoot if you don't reload.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
February 1, 2012, 05:42 PM
Probably .308 as the ammo is more available at lower prices, I would think, all other things being about equal, I would say!

12gaugeTim
February 1, 2012, 05:46 PM
As similar as they are, the best choice would be .308 simply because the price of the cartridges.

Kachok
February 1, 2012, 05:54 PM
As a handloader the 308 does carry a little extra apeal to me. Very similar terminal performance and burns about 10gr less powder in the process. When I want a super flat shooting rifle for wide open country I reach for a magnum anyway.

sage5907
February 1, 2012, 06:20 PM
I have owned both. If your shots are going to be less than 200 yards I would choose the 308 with a 150 grain bullet. If your shots are going to be out to 300 yards a 270 Winchester with a 130 grain bullet could make the shot a little easier because of the speed of the bullet and less bullet drop. If your shooting moving or running game the 270 would give you a slight edge. Although I really like a 270 Winchester I would probably choose the 308. One final point, in some light rifles a 308 can be a real jumper. BW

sage5907
February 1, 2012, 06:33 PM
BP hunter, one point I failed to make. If you're a little recoil shy and you reload you can cut the powder charge back on a 270 Winchester and still get deer hunting killing power. For example, with a hunting load of 56 grains of IMR 4831 and a 130 grain bullet the velocity will be about 3,000 fps. Drop the charge to 53 grains with a velocity of over 2,800 it will lower muzzle blast and recoil but will still have power to hunt. On the other hand, if you try the same thing with a 150 grain bullet in a 308 the bullet will have a fast falling trajectory live a 30-30. BW

vtbluegrass
February 1, 2012, 06:33 PM
You are gonna get similar performance out of both. My choice is 270 based entirely on personally preference and the old beat up 700 in the cabinet that has smoked down too many animals to count. Loaded up with 110gr vmax its a burner of a varmint round. Availability of hunting ammo should never be an issue with 130 and 150gr core-lokts available at every wal-mart.

BP Hunter
February 1, 2012, 06:40 PM
Wow, so many useful information! Thanks.

I have a .270 Thompson center Encore barrel that just needs a frame. But then again, I also want a new rifle, maybe in .308 to add to my collcetion. I will scout for loca prices for .270's and .308's that will help me make he decision.

mdauben
February 1, 2012, 06:44 PM
I really don't think you can go wrong with either choice. They are both proven game getters. Personally, I would pick the .270, but that probably has more to do with the writings of Jack O'Connor than any real, quantifiable superiority over the .308. ;)

joed
February 1, 2012, 07:54 PM
Both good choices, I'd be hard pressed to choose. I will say that I never liked the .308 until I got one about 6 years ago. Never owned a .270 but do have a .25-06 which is close to a .270. I'd never give the .25 up, it's been my favorite.

If I came across a .270 for sale, I'd grab it.

Kachok
February 1, 2012, 08:13 PM
If you want big game killing power and you want to skip out on recoil I recomend checking out the 6.5s first. 260rem/6.5 Creedmore if you buy factory fodder and the 6.5x55 if you plan to handload. My 270 and 308 did not kill any faster and my 6.5x55 has such light recoil I can watch my bullet hit through the scope even with max loads in my featherweight rifle. The noise is alot less too, it is the only big game rifle I have ever used that does not ring my ears without earplugs. Give one a try and you will be hooked for life, especaly if you have delt with the recoil/muzzle blast of other calibers before. All modern action 6.5mms have a well earned reputation for top shelf external ballistics/accuracy and superb penatration thanks to their long heavy (javlin like) projectiels.

cliffjr
February 1, 2012, 09:16 PM
I had this same question 2 years ago and ended up with a .270. So far it has dropped 4 deer dead in their tracks. As far as ammo goes, Remington Core-loks are the same price for either and i have not been in a store selling ammo where they didn't have some brand of .270. My decision was based on the better ballistics at a longer distance. Good luck.

ShawnC
February 1, 2012, 09:34 PM
Both will kill a deer or a bear. Both are very accurate. The .308 has more recoil, but personally I don't find it unmanageable. That part is up to you. Don't get too caught up in the minutia. Hunting is fun and people have been killing deer and bear with .243 up to .500 Magnum. Find a rifle you like and fire both rounds to see how you like the recoil. If you are recoil sensitive, .270 is just fine for anything in North America, except maybe the big brownies.

rcmodel
February 1, 2012, 09:39 PM
Personally, myself, and I?

I'd buy a 30-06 and Fuggedaboutit!

It will do anything that needs doing in the USA.

rc

bushmaster1313
February 1, 2012, 09:54 PM
IMHO, what's more important is the rifle and the scope.

Art Eatman
February 1, 2012, 09:59 PM
Concur with bushmaster1313. Six of one, half-dozen of the other, as far as the cartridges' performance is concerned.

Sheepdog1968
February 1, 2012, 10:21 PM
For all practical purposes the accuracy is the same. Should you reach the point where you can have one ragged hole at 200 yards from 10 shots then we can debate the subtale differences.

For hunting I have a 30-06 and I've shot many a friend's 308. The one thing I don't like (but not enought to want to change) about the 30-06 is the longer throw of the bolt (what your 270 would be) relative to the 308. Mentally, I keep expecting to poke myself in the eye but I know its physically impossible.

Either will be fine though.

joed
February 1, 2012, 10:28 PM
The one thing I don't like (but not enought to want to change) about the 30-06 is the longer throw of the bolt (what your 270 would be) relative to the 308. Mentally, I keep expecting to poke myself in the eye but I know its physically impossible.


What does everyone find so objectionable about a long action? I own both long and short and can not tell the difference in use. To be honest I prefer the long action myself, but that's what I started shooting.

I agree about ammo, I haven't seen .308 any cheaper then .270 and just about any store that sells ammo carries .270.

Kachok
February 1, 2012, 10:33 PM
There is 308 ammo available for less then 270 ammo (about $10 a box), but it is crap for the most part. I tried them before, and I even had a 308 that shot one brand of el-chepo ammo well, but I would never use it for hunting or personal defence so what is the point? I beleive in practicing with what you hunt with.

jbkebert
February 1, 2012, 10:50 PM
My first centerfire rifle at the age of 14 was a .270 winchester. I have owned 10 diffrent rifles chambered in .308 winchester. I still own 2 of them. However without question in my mind if I want a rifle right now for any reason I reach for my .270.

I have never once tracked anything hit with a .270 the furthest anything went was falling to the left or right but pretty much straight down. The .308win I have blood trailed 5 animals never further than around 50-60 yards but The animal was able to make it away from the point of impact. I have never owned a 30/06 never felt the need to.

BrocLuno
February 1, 2012, 11:17 PM
I'd go 308, but that's just me. I like the shorter action. But the deciding factor would be fit and finish. I don't mean fit-up of the parts, but how it fit me coming to shoulder, etc. If I found a 270 that fit like a glove, it would follow me home in a heart beat :)

TEC
February 2, 2012, 12:09 AM
Most of it has been said. The .270 is an overbored cartridge. The 308 barrels will have a longer barrel life without getting shot out and losing any of its inherent accuracy. I have never owned or shot a .270, however.

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2011/04/overbore-cartridges-a-working-definition/

TwoEyedJack
February 2, 2012, 12:59 AM
My personal preference is for the .270. I have a couple of them, a Ruger 77 stainless laminated and an old Remington Sportsman 78. Both are extremely accurate. The Remington will do 3/8" groups with Ballistic Tips or Core Lockts. If you are going to do much shooting, you will have to reload either, and as others have pointed out, the cheap .308 is often not a very good deal. I prefer the long action. Both of my rifles have long throats and long magazines, so I can seat the bullets out much further than factory loads, which gives better accuracy and more velocity at less pressure. Most .308s don't give you that option.

That said, if I came across a screaming deal on a nice .308 rifle, I would be highly tempted. I shoot .308 equivalent .30-06 rounds out of a Garand and they don't seem to kick any harder than a .270.

303tom
February 2, 2012, 02:07 AM
That is a hard one, my brother & I both have a Rem. 770 mine is .308 & his is a .270 & the .270 seems to get there a little quicker & hit a little harder...........

wyohome
February 2, 2012, 02:45 AM
788s were never made in that caliber. (270)
They were a short action rifle.

Clark
February 2, 2012, 03:05 AM
I have 13 308s and only 3 270s.

I would not take a 308 deer hunting if I could take a 270.

I killed 4 mule deer in 2008 with a 270.
I killed 5 mule deer in 2009 with a 270.

Most all of those were between 400 and 500 yards.

I am trying to increase my range to 600 yards.

I killed 2 deer in 2010 with a 7mmRM
I killed 1 deer and 1 antelope in 2011 with a 7mmRM.

I can only kill 2 animals a year now, because my son, with his big appetite, moved out.

Picher
February 2, 2012, 10:23 AM
As much as I like the .270 Win, the .308 Win would better meet your needs.

susquehannaslim
February 2, 2012, 10:37 AM
I shoot them both,My preference 308 Winny .

SlamFire1
February 2, 2012, 11:50 AM
Currently I am working my way through the accuracy issues of my 270 Win FN deluxe, but I know it is not the cartridges fault.

Back in the 80's a gunwriter had a bench rest rifle built in 270 Win and he got sub half MOA groups with factory ammunition. Nosler ballistic tips were outstanding in his handloads. It was something unexpected: you just would not have thought a 270 was capable of such good groups.

I have more 308's than 270's, both are really outstanding cartridges, I am getting about the same, if not more velocity with my 150's in the 308 than the 270. My 150's are clocking 2700 fps and I am not near a max load in the 308 but I am at published max loads with the 150's and are just at 2700 fps.

I am disappointed in the velocities I am getting out of this barrel with 130's. Only Federal 130's broke 3000 fps.

Still, six of one, half dozen of another.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/SlamFire/Rifles%20various/FN%20Mauser%20Deluxe/FN270.jpg

mdauben
February 2, 2012, 02:46 PM
What does everyone find so objectionable about a long action? I own both long and short and can not tell the difference in use. To be honest I prefer the long action myself, but that's what I started shooting.

I tend to agree. They feel a bit different but I honestly don't consider a shorter action a significant selling point or a long action any sort of real drawback.

I agree about ammo, I haven't seen .308 any cheaper then .270 and just about any store that sells ammo carries .270.
IMO, I think the fact that "cheap" surplus ammo is available in .308 is pretty unimportant for the states uses of the OP. I mean, most people just don't put enough rounds through a bolt action hunting rifle in a year for a difference of a dollar or so a round to be a deal breaker.

D*N*R*
February 2, 2012, 03:23 PM
Real world you go into a wal mart (whatever) to buy a box of rounds - same price - same bullet selection - come on get over it. 308 is will do just fine but 270 shoots flatter hits harder even kicks a little less. @200yrds. 270 130gr.(what you would shoot)2.8 drop--1976 ft lbs , 308 150gr. 3.6 in drop--1919ft lbs of whap (ballistic tip good hunting bullet)
both are fine one is just a little bit better.

d2wing
February 2, 2012, 04:10 PM
.308, better ammo supply, including match grade ammo and bullets, plenty of very accurate rifles built specifically in the .308.

Kachok
February 2, 2012, 04:24 PM
I never once noticed any difference in the recoil of my 130gr 270 and my 150gr 308 bullets. Both were 6.5lbs rifles with decent factory recoil pads. I shot them back to back many a time. Neither was harsh for an expernced shooter, but neither was plesent either after several boxes shot downrange. I do think the 270 was a few Db louder though. Trajectory is better on the 270 no doubt, but anyone who hunts in the woods would never notice the difference. I tend to think that the 270 hit a tad harder, but mabey that was just because I used ballistic tips in it. I do perfer 24" barrels in a 270 where as the 308 is perfect with a 22". A 130gr 270 is aprox 60-80 fps faster with a 24" tube.

quartermaster
February 2, 2012, 06:04 PM
RC hit the nail on the head with enough info to make your decision. The only thing that I would add is that there is a lot more of a bullet selection for the .308 which would make it much more versatile.

Doc.Holliday
February 2, 2012, 07:42 PM
Personally I would pick the 308 for all the right reasons.

Doc

joed
February 2, 2012, 08:38 PM
I thought about this a little more today while at work. The best answer is probably what Clark gave. If I had 2 identical rifles, one chambered in .270 and another in .308, my first choice for deer hunting would be the .270. The .308 is a nice cartridge, I own one and think it's great. But for a hunting cartridge I prefer the .270 any day.

BP Hunter
February 3, 2012, 02:52 AM
I am slowly leading to the .270. I have harvested 2 animals with it and this cartridge as a place in my heart. But...a local gun store is selling their one and only Ruger gunsight, which comes only in .308. The Ruger is very difficult to cone by nowadays and I have always loved it's feel, quality and its short overall length. Decisions, decisions...

But thanks for all of your responses. I know you guys would tell me to buy both. But I only need one for my purpose.

Texaszach
February 3, 2012, 11:27 AM
I believe the gunsight rifle has a shorter barrel.. Which should get dusted by a standard sporter in .270.

And I'll also say that a long action hasnt slowed me down yet

Mike1234567
February 3, 2012, 12:17 PM
I'm just curious: Wouldn't a better comparison be between .270 Win vs. .30-06 Sprg or .243 Win vs. .308 Win?

Kachok
February 3, 2012, 02:03 PM
I'm just curious: Wouldn't a better comparison be between .270 Win vs. .30-06 Sprg or .243 Win vs. .308 Win?
I don't think so, 308 is in a whole different class of killing power then the .243, the 308 and 270 are natural rivals, they are very close in terms of killing power and they both are in the same "just below 06" recoil range

SN13
February 3, 2012, 02:21 PM
As the owner of a superbly accurate Savage .270 111FCNS (Accustock/Accutrigger), I will say that the .270 is Scary accurate using Hornady SST130gr factory loads.

I would not hesitate to take a bet that i could hit a clay pigeon at 400 yards on my first shot.

The .308 only edges it out with heavier 175s+ shooting out to 1000. Inside 600, i'll take the .270.

Countryguy1982
February 3, 2012, 10:03 PM
I have killed probably 20 deer with 270 . ( 150 grain nosler partitions) seriously 9 out of 10 of them fell in their tracks. ( all double shoulder shots) when available . ( at least 1 shoulder clipped when not available) EVERY one got pass through. I had 2 or 3 run maybe 30 yrds max. Could this be coincidence ? sure...... i guess its possible. I have killed probably 10 to 15 with my remington model 7 308. Shooting nosler partitions, ballistic tips ( both in 150 grain and ) 165 hornady sst's . i can only recall 2 falling in their tracks dead. everything else i can remember .... ran a little ways. BUT i never had an issue with blood trails. Could this of been a coincidence? i am sure it could of been. could of been me just trying to make excuses for the 270 over the 308 and trying to nit pick the 308. Fact of the matter is though..... DEAD IS DEAD. any way you look at it,. There is 1 level of dead. AND THATS DEAD LOL. i never lost a deer with the 308 . I did lose a hog with a 308 , but he was running and it was a shot i shouldn't of took. ( liver shot) 3 inches behind the shoulder on a hog and you are in liver , not lungs like a deer ( most of the time anyway) . and a hogs guts tends to plug holes like a cork. unlike a deer. on bear........ I shot 1 bear with a 270 and 1 bear with a 308. Both quartering to me, both in the neck where it attatches to the front shoulder. both fell right there.270 ammo seems to be a few dollars higher a box depending on what you want. both 270 and 308 ammo are in just about every store and in no short supply . Its hard to go wrong with either caliber. Both will make great hunting calibers

beatledog7
February 3, 2012, 10:32 PM
If we could understand animal conversations, we'd never hear two deer or two bears having this discussion. They'd simply agree that both are bad news.

wyohome
February 3, 2012, 10:54 PM
[QUOTE][could of been me just trying to make excuses for the 270 over the 308 and trying to nit pick /QUOTE]
I will go with that.

D*N*R*
February 5, 2012, 09:32 PM
Modern bullet construction made my favorite round overkill 270win. do i have a ledgit argument over a 25 06 guy no way. 500 yrds in mich. neverish -200 maybe-( 25 06 @ 500yrds over 1000 ft lbs) so why give up acc. for a overkill round? to compensate for a slight off hit everyone could have made better with a smoother-flatter shot.((you can lead a 30 06 guy to twist rate class but you cant get them to understand the concept)) i dont mean allyaall**

jpwilly
February 5, 2012, 10:33 PM
I'm thinking 308-06!

Yeah, I know not the first to suggest it...but you have to consider the aught six instead.

Kachok
February 6, 2012, 12:42 AM
Split the difference and get a 280 Rem :) It does everything the 270 does and can throw longer higher BC/SD bullets when needed. 120 and 140gr shoot really flat, the 150-160 are great for really big game and the 175-180s will punch through an elephants skull.

RugerOldArmy
February 6, 2012, 01:15 AM
It's a win-win choice. Both will do the job.

I have both. Although I love .308 for competition.....270 WIn has soul and flexibility for hunting.

I would not take a 308 deer hunting if I could take a 270.


I couldn't agree more. Sure, .308 would do the job, but for hunting, there is a aura around .270.

I reload, and have tried light to heavy bullets in both. .270
wins hands down for flexibility.

For varmints and coyotes - .277" 90 Gr Sierra Varminters and RL-15 give an accurate, high velocity load any prarie dog hunter would love (except there is a bit too much recoil to see the target vaporized thru the scope.)

For Deer IMR4831 and 130 Gr. Nosler Partitions are a classic combo, and accubonds are very accurate. (Don't shoot a deer in the shoulder from less than 75 yards with Ballistic tips though...damage city.)

Heavier partitions will easily take Elk, a .270 is essentially a necked down (ok, slightly longer neck) .30-06.

I've had little luck getting lighter .308 Win bullets (V-Max/B-Tips) to shoot as well as I'd like, let alone the accuracy gotten out of .270 Win.

On the negative side (barring the new, High BC Bergers), there are few competition class bullets for .270 Win, Sierra has a SMK.

If you are looking for a heavy barrelled rifle, to win a few bucks from friends at the range, get the .308 Win, there are loads of good bullets for that cartridge, including match BTHPs. .308 Win is hobbled, compared to the longer .30-06 though for heavier bullets and standard twist rates tho. As a result, and in general, you're going to be able to pick bullets with better BC(s) and higher Sectional Density in .270 Win standard bullet weights. (Both good things for hunting).

magnatecman
February 6, 2012, 02:57 PM
I'm with Kachok on this.

I really love my .270 but I'd also look at the .280 or you could go with a 7mm-08. I really like this little round too. It will match my 270 with 140 gr. and do it with less powder.

Also thinking of going the 6.5 route as well.

SN13
February 6, 2012, 04:30 PM
The biggest problem with .280 Rem is that it's not anywhere near as popular a round as .270. You can walk into (almost) any walmart and find .270. I've only seen .280 in more rural locations.

The Rifle rounds I expect to find when I walk into a Walmart in any free state: .30-06, .270, .243 and .308. (7mm-08 to a lesser extent). You are NOT likely to see .280 Rem, .260 Rem, or 25-06.

I feel that the BEST round to make a super-light hunting rifle for deer is the .260 Rem... I am waiting for Hornady to make Factory loads before I jump on that caliber.

CONNEX 3300
February 6, 2012, 06:05 PM
If you are getting a feather weight rifle, go with .270. If you are getting a standard weight rifle, especially with a 24" or longer barrel, go with .308. I don't think most shooters realize just how flat a .308 can shoot with the right 150 grain bullets. Look at the Hornady Superformance 150 grain SST load in .308. With a 26" barrel that bullet has got to be doing close to 3100fps. Zero that load 2.5" high at 100yards and tell me it don't shoot flat.

But, even though you didn't ask about it, I have to agree with some of the previous posters.

280 Remington is the best all around hunting cartridge IHMO

Elkins45
February 6, 2012, 06:17 PM
I will confess to having a soft spot for the 270 because I've had such great luck with it, and it does have the advantage in terms of pure muzzle energy due to the greater powder capacity.

But the practical differences between the two are probably just splitting hairs, and I think I would make my final decision based on the guns more than the cartridge. If the shop only had a crappy 270 and a nice 308 I would take the 308. But if both rifles were of equal quality I'm sure I would go with the 270.

SN13
February 7, 2012, 12:33 PM
Since you want to go "Superperformance SST" Connex 3300, Let's do a comparison of the "Flat" shooting 150's....

All things being equal, the following is for 130gr AND 140gr SST SuperPerformance 270. as well as 150gr SST SuperPerformance .308.

130gr -> ME 2955ft/lbs -> 200yrd Zero -> -33.9"@500w/1395ft/lbs -> -258"@1000w/583ft/lbs
140gr -> ME 2967ft/lbs -> 200yrd Zero -> -35.7"@500w/1468ft/lbs -> -264"@1000w/652ft/lbs
150gr -> ME 2997ft/lbs -> 200yrd Zero -> -41.1"@500w/1263ft/lbs -> -330"@1000w/480ft/lbs

Sorry man, an extra 7" of drop at 500 yards (124% drop) than the Flat 130gr.

AND the .308 only stays supersonic to 1000, the 270, to 1300yrds.

Drift from 10mph crosswind @ 500 & 1000yrds:

130gr -> 17.2" -> 84.6"
140gr -> 16.5" -> 80.4"
150gr -> 21.3" -> 108.1"

Faster, Flatter, Straighter.

You will not beat the numbers.

jrdolall
February 7, 2012, 01:07 PM
I have had all 3 for many years with the .270 coming in about 5 years ago. My first deer gun was a Remington 700 30-06 that I grew up hunting with. I found a closeout on the same model .308 and .243 at a Kmart in Alabama about 20 years ago and bought the guns NIB for $180 each. I have killed multiple deer with every one of these guns. I live in Alabama where my legal limit on whitetail during rifle season is around 150. I normally shoot 6-7 per year so I have plenty of opportunities. Most of my shots are within 150 yards and there is no appreciable difference in the 308, 30-06 and the 270 as far as I can tell. Both kill quickly and humanely and both generally put the animal down on the spot. This year I killed 3 bucks all with a Savage 30-06. Two dropped in their tracks and one ran about 100 yards despite being hit in the same spot with bullets from the same box. I do not feel the recoil when I shoot an animal but the Remington 30-06 is a bear at the range. Maybe because it is a 1968 model with a metal buttplate but it just seems to have more recoil. That problem is solved with a lead sled of course. Ammo is available at local big box stores for all of these guns for basically the same price but since I don't shoot them much, other than verifying accuracy prior to the season, a box will last me at least 2 years. At 150 yards I have also not seen a major difference in accuracy or efficiency based on bullet weight bullet weight. You will not be "wrong" with any choice you make but I prefer the 30-06 because that is what I started with as a teenager.

Geno
February 7, 2012, 01:45 PM
Well, I just happened to see a deer or three, some rams and a boar shot with my .270 Wins. I've seen one deer shot with my .308 Win this year.

Now me being a Ph.D., I believe in empirical data to lead me to conclusions. All of the aforementioned critters dropped effective, meaning no 1/2 mile sprinters. Given the lack of observable difference in performance between the two cartridges, I committed myself to exit poll the critters, as to which they opined had done kilt 'em quicker: my .308 Win or my .270 Win.

Well, after many years of attempting such polls, the resultant "n" of my sample was 0. So, in my professional research opinion, both cartridges will get-her-did right directly.

<<pause>> See, that's what you get when you give a redneck a Pee Ah Dee?! :D Seriously. I hate being serious. Both are wonderful cartridges. Both are effective and efficient. Shoulder some rifles and see what make and model feels best. Then, in that make & model, shoulder one each in .308 and one in .270. What feels best is you best rifle.

Gee Know AKA Dr. Redneck

rori
February 7, 2012, 06:22 PM
I've killed over 100 head of big game with the same .270 that I bought over 40 years ago!!!!My favorite bullet is the 150 gr not the 130 that my hero Jack Oconnor loved. I've killed big bear, moose, elk, carabou, deer etc and never needed more than one shot to do the deed. My moose took 3 but only needed one. He was dead just didn't know it. Last thing it killed was a 6X6 Roosevelts elk again 1 shot and down less than 30 yards later.I've walked game country from Alaska to Mexico and Florida to Washington with a 270 in my hand and never knew I was undergunned. FRJ

Offfhand
February 7, 2012, 07:09 PM
Why limit yourself to such narrow choices? Think .260 Rem and you have the best of both worlds---and then some.

Geno
February 7, 2012, 07:38 PM
rori:

One of my friends borrowed my Weatherby Mark V chambered in .270 Win to hunt a Russian boar. I bought some 140 grain factory-loaded ammo. He hit the boar about 3/4 up on the body, aiming down hill (maybe 80ish yards). I never have seen any critter driven to the ground with more authority...not even buy my .300 Wea Mag or my .375 H&H Mag. Gotta love that .270 WIn. It is among my favorites. This was the first year I hunted with a .308 Win. Nice cartridge too. The deer was inclined to run away. Guess we really are spoiled in America. We have literally dozens of extraordinary cartridges, in dozens of extraordinary rifles. It's good to be spoiled. :)

Offfhand:
Trouble-maker. :) Oh yeah! The underrated .260 Rem. Have you seen that Winchester has brought back the .264 Win mag in the Model 70?!?!?! LUST!

Geno

SN13
February 8, 2012, 09:54 AM
I do believe my next bolty will be a .260 Rem.

Savage 10 Predator, me thinks. http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/10PREDATORHUNTERMAX1

T.R.
February 8, 2012, 09:57 AM
I've witnessed deer kills from both cartridges. Consistent bang-flop performance. I prefer to hunt with a short carbine so .308 has been my favorite.

TR

SN13
February 8, 2012, 11:03 AM
So I compiled a nice Google-Doc Spreadsheet with JBM ballistic calcs for the following FACTORY LOADED Cartridges:

.243 55gr
.243 95gr
.260 120gr
.260 142gr
.308 168gr
.308 175gr
300WM 190gr
338LM 250gr
270WSM 150gr
270WSM 130gr
270 130gr sst
270 130gr sst Superperformance
270 140gr sst Superperformance.


The two charts on the Overview page are organized by Drop@1000 and Wind Drift @1000.

I used Manufacturer Stated MV's. See the corresponding TABS for detailed information.

Make your own conclusions.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArHBcNQVgZ8AdFdqT19LN2ZaZFBwMU9RSmZZWWltNWc

D*N*R*
February 8, 2012, 12:19 PM
Aahh my favorite and most :fire: copic of all. Dig what you have and try to pass on USEABLE info= not so much (what i have). People dont ask these kind of ??? if they -shoot 1000 rnds. a year and reload.They dont care about mystical 80 grain swings in bullet weight(length)--surplus military ammo--shooting 1000yrds.--would i care if my barrel was stamped 6.5-06 or 25-06 or 270 win. no. I want and we all should, the flattest (over 1000ft lbs.energy for hunting shots) easiest kicking(for accuracy and more practice) easy to find and afford rounds available and pass that info on. Their all good better is better. If we all had .243 it would be boaring and we would just be better hunters. (for all the rite reasons:barf: i love it):)

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