Good, inexpensive rifles?


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crathbone78
February 3, 2012, 05:19 PM
I was trying to decide what to buy to start a collection of rifles to supply my friends/family with for those what if/looting/rioting scenerios. They need to be semi auto, but most importantly, reliable. I was leaning towards SKS, but am very open to what your opinions are. Thanks.

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Isaac-1
February 3, 2012, 05:24 PM
Have you seen the prices that SKS's are selling for these days, 10 years ago they were cheap, now, not so much, in fact you can likely get some of the mid range AK's for the price of an SKS..

crathbone78
February 3, 2012, 05:27 PM
Its been a few months since I looked, I saw some in the high 200, low 300 dollar range. For me, this isnt too expensive, but if there are better, cheaper alternatives, im all ears.

GRIZ22
February 3, 2012, 05:32 PM
A stock Saiga comes to mind at about $400 a piece.

If you're looking at 100 yard shots a Hi Point carbine might fit your bill. Cheap to buy and feed but not the power of a centerfire rifle.

When the stuff hits the fan is not the time to learn how to use a semiauto rifle if you ask me. You may want to consider shotguns instead. Cheaper and easier ti hit with although range is limited.

cpaspr
February 3, 2012, 05:34 PM
If your local gun store has a used rack, keep an eye on it. Frequently, physically beat up guns with low round counts can be had for very few dollars, due to perceived condition. Just be sure to function check and examine the bore first.

I picked up a pair of semi-auto .22 in great condition for $90 & $100 at different gun stores. Both with scopes already on them. The $90 gun had a defective sear, but a little sleuthing inside the receiver and a <$10 part from Brownells fixed it. The $100 had already had some aftermarket work done to it, as the trigger is much smoother than stock is supposed to be. That one was on consignment though, and the seller was apparently eager for quick cash.

snakeman
February 3, 2012, 05:38 PM
If you are me, which you obviously aren't or I wouldn't be so unique, there are no good guns that aren't expensive.

cpaspr
February 3, 2012, 05:39 PM
GRIZ22 -

If you're looking at 100 yard shots a Hi Point carbine might fit your bill. Cheap to buy and feed but not the power of a centerfire rifle.

He did emphasize "reliable". :D Actually, I know of one store that sells quite a few of them. Haven't heard any negative feedback about their reliability, and for his intended purpose, your are right that they would be both cheap to buy and cheap to feed.

GRIZ22 -
When the stuff hits the fan is not the time to learn how to use a semiauto rifle if you ask me. You may want to consider shotguns instead. Cheaper and easier ti hit with although range is limited.

With a bit of practice, 100+ yard shots with slugs is very doable. Or so I've been told.

whetrock
February 3, 2012, 05:43 PM
I second the stock Saiga they are IMO pretty much better than the SKS and about the same price not to mention they're brand new also if you hit up the used gun racks and pawn shops you could land a Marlin 336 30-30 for anywhere between 200-325 bucks depending on age and condition. If you are looking for something in a pistol caliber to complement your pistol Highpoint makes the 995 4095 and 4595 carbines that would make excellent close quarter rifles.

Smith357
February 3, 2012, 05:45 PM
The Kel-Tec SU2000 and the HiPoint Carbine are around 2-250,

crathbone78
February 3, 2012, 05:49 PM
I have not heard anything bad about the hi point carbines from anyone who has fired them. These rifles wouldnt be needed for long range, just an all purpose kind of rifle if there really is such a thing. I have the right tools for the job as far as long range ect. Everyone who would be using these would be trained prior to needing to use them, most of my people enjoy shooting my guns. I really like the idea of just using shotguns, but there are a few who would not be comfortable shooting them. Basically i want something in bulk in the same caliber. I was thinking more along the lines of milsurps, but I do like the carbine idea.

crathbone78
February 3, 2012, 05:52 PM
Too bad High Point does not make a .44 carbine :(
I reload, so ammo price isnt a real big factor.

whetrock
February 3, 2012, 05:57 PM
The Kel-Tec SU2000 and the HiPoint Carbine are around 2-250, Most of the sub2K's I've seen at gunshows have been closer to 400-450 but even at that price they are still good rifles seeing as they take glock mags.

Sheepdog1968
February 3, 2012, 06:10 PM
To a certain degree in my opinon the two are mutually opposed. I'm a believer in that "you get what you pay for." A quote I once say for a different item said "quality is remembered long after price is forgotten." If you have two that you like and one costs a big more, personally, I'd rather wait a few more months to save up the difference. There's no reason you can't own it for the rest of your life.

.45Guy
February 3, 2012, 06:14 PM
Crates o' mosins are still pretty cheap. Not semi auto, but cheap enough.

armoredman
February 3, 2012, 06:17 PM
Reliable and peasant proof - SKS. I they can pony up you can get AK clones, but some Century WASR's can need some repair work for canted gas blocks, etc., on occasion.
Real cheap and reliable after de-cosmo-ing the chamber is the Mosin, but they are bolt action.
If just stocking up a few for friends and family, and I could afford a few extra dollars, might even look at the Century vz-2008s at J&G Sales, assembled by someone who apparently knows what they're doing, and getting a good rep for a lot less than you might think.

NeuseRvrRat
February 3, 2012, 06:26 PM
spend your money on an extremely secure shelter, non-perishable food, water storage, medical supplies, and ways to stay warm without electricity. if you've got all that covered, then you've probably got enough sense to make this decision on your own.

crathbone78
February 3, 2012, 06:29 PM
Im really liking what i see in the sub2k's. I carry a .40 glock and like the interchangeable mags. I also really like the mosins for the money but I prefer semi auto for this purpose and I like the overall shorter length of the carbines. Thanks everyone for your input, as I continue to do more research.

crathbone78
February 3, 2012, 06:33 PM
Very good point NeuseRvrRat. I have started stocking up on all the necessary supplies and I have family that live out in the country, but they dont have guns. I have my own opinions about a lot of things, but I think im smart enough to know that others may have good ideas that I may not have thought of yet.

Murphy4570
February 3, 2012, 07:42 PM
If you want cheap and reliable, ditch your requirement of semi-auto, and go buy a case of 20 Mosin Nagants for $1,600. Arm an entire light platoon of infantry in one fell swoop!

SKS's are going for extreme amounts of money lately, I was browsing them at a LGS and they were wanting $300-400 for them!

denton
February 3, 2012, 08:14 PM
A few years ago, someone from Argentina posted a lengthy article on conditions after their economic collapse. All of it made sense, but many parts of it had points that most people wouldn't have thought about.

Anyway, his considered opinion was that when law and order break down, you don't see your adversaries coming 200 yards away because there is nothing to identify them. Hence a rifle is not the optimum choice.

Chances of any such event here are pretty slim, I think. So I don't worry about it. But right now, home invasions, burglaries, and attempted muggings happen all the time.

So, FWIW, he recommended a handgun.

If you're stuck on a rifle, a lever action 30-30 will put a lot of lead downrange reasonably quickly. It's not too expensive, it's light, and the carbine length models handle well. A related alternative is the Henry 22 lever action. Shooting Velocitors, it's a fairly potent alternative for $250.

The SKS used to be cheap to buy and cheap to feed. I remember wincing at paying $.20 per round for really good reloadable ammo, when throw-away ammo was $.08. I think those days are gone forever. :(

For around $450 you can get a Kel-Tec SU-16 A or B. I paid a little more for the C model, and I really like it. I could have easily bought an AR-15 at that price, but for whatever reason, chose the SU-16 and am happy with the decision.

Smith and Wesson makes an M&P AR-15 that sells around here for $600. That sounds like a good choice.

In bolt actions, I recently picked up a Yugo Mauser 8mm for $200. It's a very capable firearm. Once in a while you can get a Finnish Mosin in that price range, and they are better than the Russians. Sadly, the days of getting those for $175 seem to be over as well. But they are fully capable of bringing down a moose at 200 yards.

easy
February 3, 2012, 08:18 PM
Shouldn't they be and act responsible for themselves?
I would think it would be smarter to get those 'friends/family' to buy their own 'cheap rifles'. Would provide happy outings and comraderie, not at your expense.

Eddystone1917
February 3, 2012, 08:23 PM
How about an Eddystone/Remington 1917 rifle? I'm pretty sure you could get one for $300 or a little more. It holds 6 30-06 rounds and is pretty accurate out to 300+ yards with iron sites, for me anyways.

Robert
February 3, 2012, 08:27 PM
but they dont have guns.
Are they even interested in firearms? Or do they care? If not the the point is moot.

Now if you are still in the buying mood I'll take a decent AR15.

Zoogster
February 3, 2012, 09:03 PM
High quality inexpensive rifles tend to be surplus.
A lot of surplus cannot be imported from foreign nations anymore not being in a sporting configuration, and most modern surplus made in the last 50+ years is select-fire, which your average peasant cannot own (NFA pre-1986 registered aside.)
Most inexpensive goods in the USA come from China or somewhere similar. China is not allowed to provide firearms, just everything else your typical Walmart is filled with.

These things greatly limit availability of rifles that are both quality and inexpensive.

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