Precision Rifle range membership question


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taliv
February 4, 2012, 11:56 PM
if there were a facility within say, a 2 hour drive of you, that
allowed long range unknown distance shots (several different places to shoot 500-1000+ yrds),
provided high quality steel targets, (e.g. auto-poppers from larue or spindrift)
moving targets,
high angle shots,
night shoots, and rents NV sights (e.g. PVS-27s)
rentals of premium rifles (GAPrecision, AI, KAC SR25s with premium optics)
provided training classes for individuals and groups (at a deep discount for members)
hosted "sniper style" and 3gun competitions
has 100 yrd zero range and pistol bays
etc

would you be interested in an annual membership? how much would you be willing to pay per year?

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ole farmerbuck
February 5, 2012, 12:05 AM
Wow, I dont know but it would be worth a premium I'd say. I've never shot a public range. I have all the distant shooting you'd ever need out here but sure dont have any of the luxuries you mentioned. Good question.

HOOfan_1
February 5, 2012, 12:25 AM
Heck yes. I couldn't afford/justify more than $150 though. No way I would go to it often enough to justify more. What you are suggesting sounds like something which would ordinarily be a $500+/year membership though. At least that seems to be the going rate for the new indoor range in my area. Personally I think their rates are ridiculous.

esheato
February 5, 2012, 12:56 AM
Yes. Have the guns, ammo, targets and other gear. Location is a never ending issue. Worth a bill or three to me.

A-FIXER
February 5, 2012, 01:24 AM
If it offered unlimited visits and above mentioned I would do 200.00 to 250.00 and know if I need rentals and it would be modest priced would the range have RO's and if so would they allow min of min's to allow shooting before stopping and starting with multiple lanes and no limit to how many rifles I would be using on that particular lane, and to offer many shooters at one time if so maybe as much as 300.00. I rent some land for shooting and if this was available to me I would think of joining and would make my possible 2 hrs road trip worth it with all the ammo and rifles I wanted to shoot.

FlyinBryan
February 5, 2012, 01:29 AM
i would be interested until i heard it was 400-500 per year, and then i would (did with a similar deal) run away

my local range only goes up to 200yds. i buy a yearly membership there for around 10-15 dollars a year, then everytime i shoot it is a 10 dollar range fee. i like it because they are very stern and strict on safety procedures, its very well kept, has very good right and left hand benches, shade over the shooters, and well kept and often replaced target backing boards.

now what would interest me is if they had very long lanes like 300, 600, and 1000 yds.

i would definitely occasionally pay "by the yard" so to speak.

the range i frequent already charges more for the 200yd lanes, which in honesty is fair because it does basically double the time of "cease fire, check and post targets"

maybe charge extra for a "long range license" and "long range lanes"

like 20 extra dollars for the long range license (30 instead of 10 in my case) and maybe 30 dollars for a single lane. choosing another yardage on the same day is an additional 15 bux.

this would add up in a hurry where revenue is concerned for the range owners, but looks much more attractive to those that might not could afford otherwise.

lets say a fella buys a l.r. license, and makes six trips in a year, and shoots 2 long range lanes per trip

l.r. yearly license.................................................................30.00
six trips to the l.r. lanes......................................................180.00
six extra lane fees for moving from the 600 to the 1k.................90.00

total revenue from the casual long range crowd individual.........300.00

many would shoot more, but said range could host many more "average casual shooter" than the big one time fee guys. it would seem to average joe to be only costing him 30-45 bux to shoot like the big boys, but the end result for the range would be very similar in winnings, possibly far better being more attractive to those like me.

i would bite.

labillyboy
February 5, 2012, 02:02 AM
There are a couple of places like that minus the night shooting north of Los Angeles. http://www.oaktreegunclub.com/ they are $250/yr., you can check their prices on their web site. http://raahauges.com is $400 a year... There are a few others... That's what we have in Los Angeles...

Tim the student
February 5, 2012, 02:07 AM
The amount I would pay would be related to how far away it was. The closer it would be, the more I would be willing to use it, and therefore be willing to pay more. Farther away means more time driving, (which I despise just a bit less than I despise the TSA), and less time with my family, not to mention fuel costs.

2 hours, maybe 50-100 bucks max. I doubt I would be there that much, so I wouldn't be very willing to fork over a lot of dough.

10 minutes to a half hour away? Shoot, maybe 250-350 or so, especially if the folks were friendly - or at least not curt.

The rentals sound cool, but I know if I would ever really use them much. I really don't have any desire to shoot at night, and buying factory ammo would probably keep me away from renting the rifles. Maybe once just because I think it would be really cool to shoot an AI. I doubt I'd be a repeat renter though. Maybe after I shot them, but right now I doubt it.

FWIW, I also have 2 ranges within 20 minutes of me, with one having a 200 yard range, and a 200 yard range about an hour away, all free. If I didn't have anything like that, I reckon I'd pay more.

A-FIXER
February 5, 2012, 02:13 AM
Also if they had closed circuit tv that had moniters at the shooters bench with hourly 20 min target change out would be a plus. I know it wasn't posted but that would be a huge plus.

mljdeckard
February 5, 2012, 02:31 AM
It's a bit odd, until recently I would regularly drive more than an hour to shoot. I recently moved out to the desert, and I could now feasibly set up my own known-distance rifle range.

For all the other stuff and services, I would love to have them, I don't know if I would feel like paying for a full membership until I was up to the level where I would use all of them well.

taliv
February 5, 2012, 10:38 AM
thanks for the feedback so far. seems a lot are commenting on the downtime for changing targets. just to be clear, at this range, the targets (except for zero range) would be provided for you. steel that does not need to be reset, so no "cease fire, check and post targets" at all.

thx for the links labilly

FlyinBryan
February 5, 2012, 03:12 PM
steel that does not need to be reset, so no "cease fire, check and post targets" at all.

that would definitely be cool.

if my local rifle range had a few lanes like that i would definitely pay more and spend my time on them.

ns66
February 5, 2012, 11:02 PM
i hope there's a range near me (raleigh, nc) that can shoot rifle 200+ yards :(

NeuseRvrRat
February 5, 2012, 11:06 PM
^check out http://www.encfiringrange.com

about an hour from raleigh and i think the back range goes to 275 yds

ns66
February 5, 2012, 11:39 PM
^check out http://www.encfiringrange.com

about an hour from raleigh and i think the back range goes to 275 yds
thanks for the info, looks like it's a good range, just hope it's closer, it's long drive

skiking
February 6, 2012, 01:00 AM
I think I might pay $50/year and ONLY if it was within 30 minutes of my house.

SharkHat
February 6, 2012, 11:39 AM
What makes the range a "Precision Range"?

desidog
February 6, 2012, 12:15 PM
You may want to preface this by asking the posters' locations; since this range idea sounds great, but it is impossible to achieve without a war chest of multiple millions of dollars in this (the larger NYC) area. Even if you had the loot, the location, and the liability insurance, you'd never get it by the town or the neighbors.

Sam1911
February 6, 2012, 12:17 PM
What makes the range a "Precision Range"? Intent. Set up to accomodate long-range "practical" style rifle shooting. Specifically, as he said, "long range unknown distance shots (several different places to shoot 500-1000+ yrds)."

Also, these: "moving targets, high angle shots, night shoots." All interesting skills practice most traditional ranges have no way to provide.

Also no-reset steel gong targets of the type common to that style or rifle practice, rather than walk-out-and-paste-it paper targets you'd use if you were shooting groups a'la bench-rest competition.

Not a set of target butts in a line like for CMP highpower competition, and quite possibly, no shooting benches for rests and bags, but various kinds of semi-improvised firing positions and/or prone shots.

At least that's what I think when I hear "precision rifle."

SharkHat
February 6, 2012, 12:39 PM
Thanks for the explanation Sam.

I guess my line of thinking was along the lines that the range itself is providing the elements for practical shooting, and it's up to the shooters to provide the precision.

Chris Rhines
February 6, 2012, 01:09 PM
Taliv,

For what you describe, I'd pay anything up to ~$500/year, maybe a bit more, but with a few caeveats.

- The ranges need to be open and available during daylight hours, say 8-7 or so. I have no problem with driving two hours to the range, but if I do, I'm going to spend the bulk of the day there.
- The range rules need to be geared towards practical shooting, rather than benchrest or F-class.
- Members and guests only - no hourly or daily passes.
- A 300-yard bay for 3-gun and carbine practice would be nice to have.

Is this actually likely to happen? It sounds like a nice facility...

-C

The Wiry Irishman
February 6, 2012, 01:11 PM
Since there's nothing like that anywhere near me here in indiana, and since what is available stops at around 300, id be willing to pay quite a premium: Maybe as much as 500+ depedning upon the quality of equipment, facilities, and the attitude of the management and general membership. One question id be asking is if my fees were inflated to cover the cost of the rental arsenal. It would be a fair chunk of chanfe to build up a stock of the rifles and optics you mentioned and it might be a while before they pay for themselves.

Dr T
February 6, 2012, 01:17 PM
Nope. But then, I can escape down to the ranch for this sort of thing :-).

waterhouse
February 6, 2012, 02:02 PM
I happily pay $100 a year now for something not nearly that nice. If it was within half an hour of me I'd probably pay around $400-500. That price would go down the farther out it was from me.

Hard to find a place around here to shoot any distance.

taliv
February 6, 2012, 02:33 PM
Sam exactly thanks
Chris I'm thinking seriously about it. Would really like to.

Range rules would permit dynamic shooting practice consistent with practical match activities. Probably wouldn't be a bench on the property.

If member only members would be issued keys and could shoot 24x7. Supervised appointments for nonmembers and rentals. Prob also for mover and some of the more expensive targets

henschman
February 6, 2012, 03:15 PM
I think it's safe to say I'd pay a couple hundred bucks a year for something like that. Any more and I would think about it, mostly depending on how close it is to me.

Derek Zeanah
February 6, 2012, 03:24 PM
I'm with Chris on this, though I'd expect to be able to do night fires some nights if you're renting AN/PVS gear. Now, night fire training should probable include pistol and shotgun in addition to the normal centerfire rifle stuff, so there should be a range dedicated to the shorter range stuff.

< $500 per year is workable.

jpwilly
February 6, 2012, 04:20 PM
Yes, and $240 to $480 year depending. I could also see $25 to $50 per visit instead of an annual fee / membership.

Really depends on how close I lived to said range. Here in AZ I have some options that are free but have to drive and set up. Other options are much closer but I have to pay. I usually end up paying for the convenience of not driving to BFE.

The Wiry Irishman
February 6, 2012, 06:25 PM
What about some sort of identify-and-engage range? Every week or so you could move the targets around so no one knew where they were and you could practice finding them, ranging, and engaging.

MythBuster
February 6, 2012, 06:37 PM
"and quite possibly, no shooting benches for rests and bags, but various kinds of semi-improvised firing positions and/or prone shots."

Correct. If this range is bench only it would be almost worthless to me.

MilsurpShooter
February 6, 2012, 07:49 PM
I'd sell my right eye for something like that here in NY lol (I'm a lefty, don't need the right :P )

Robert
February 6, 2012, 08:14 PM
Range rules would permit dynamic shooting practice consistent with practical match activities. Probably wouldn't be a bench on the property.
Taliv,
That would be awesome. Though would you open yourself up to liability issues if people aer moving and shooting at the same time? I know that it can be safely done but how do you ensure that all the members are safe enough to do it?

Oh and I'd be willing to pay $400 a year, if I had the money and CO was a 2 hour drive from your range. ;)

HJ857
February 6, 2012, 10:08 PM
Here's another resource for comparison. It's a new range opening in NW lower Michigan.

http://www.marksmanshiptrainingcenter.com/

chaser_2332
February 6, 2012, 10:33 PM
Build it Tom and they will come!! Could this possibly be the new stomping grounds for a pmg match?

WNTFW
February 6, 2012, 11:46 PM
Taliv,
I would expect to pay a premium price for a range of that sort. $250 would be cheap and $500 would be reasonable. One of the best ranges I can got to is an hour and fifteen minutes from me. The only problem is 600 yd line has at least 3 competitions a month on it. That limits availability to the 200-600 range. It also makes it easy for me to shoot a match and not have to join.

GreySmoke2
February 7, 2012, 12:41 AM
I live on the Northern side of the Peoples Republic of Illinois and my range charges $280/yr + $15/month assessment until we have a full club - Thats $460/yr. We have only static ranges from 50ft up to 600yrds, skeet, trap etc...on about 200+acres. We do have practical rifle events a couple times a month but not like whats described here.

And it must be nice to live where a range can be joined for less than $100 year...racka smanke sobs....so jealous am I....:cuss:

taliv
February 8, 2012, 05:41 PM
OK so much more specifically...


Let's say the facility was 1.5 hrs east of Nashville and featured the following:

Natural terrain... picture a scenic set of ridges as backstops with elevation change of roughly 400' from valley to peak

$500 / annual membership ($300 for the first year while facilities are under construction)

Three different lanes where you can shoot 1000 yrds, 1200, 1300 yrds respectively, and some shorter lanes. I THINK I can include a 300 yrd 3-gun style bay.

One 100 yrd zero range, paper only, a couple benches

All other ranges are steel targets (provided by the range)(mostly reactive) so you don't need to bring your own, don't need to set up, never need to call the line cold.

A range bunkhouse, where members can sleep (prob $10/night/bunk or something, BYO sheets/bag/pillow), bathroom, etc. i.e. long-distance members could drive in and spend the weekend shooting. or free camping.

First year, range hours would be weekends-only, but shooting all day and night. Weekday hours by appointment. However, about 5 weeks/yr would be reserved for matches, which would preempt member recreational shooting/practice.

Rentals of previously mentioned rifles and NV.

Rules would permit anything you normally do in practical matches, including movement, firing from positions, barricades, even transitions to holstered pistols, etc in the 3gun bays. relatively rapid fire from precision AR15s etc. (as fast as you can keep rounds on a 300+ yrd steel silhouette...) etc etc etc

obviously, the bunks (sleep 6-12 initially) and rentals would be first come first served and i expect they would go quickly.

MtnCreek
February 8, 2012, 07:15 PM
If this is getting close to I-75, then I'm in. Assuming you pull the trigger on it, when do you think you'll be up and running?
Thanks.

Geno
February 8, 2012, 08:37 PM
It would be a doable thing for me. Southern Michigan isn't that far. I could make 3 or 4 trips per year, especially if instruction were made available. The matches might interest me too. I might get my backside dusted, but I'd learn something about 1000 yard shooting. After all, this is why I invested in my precision rifles and Nightforce scopes. Let me know as plans progress.

Geno

chaser_2332
February 8, 2012, 11:25 PM
Sounds to me like another nice place to hold matches is in the works!!!

Zak Smith
February 9, 2012, 12:12 AM
Are here we have 40-80 guys who shoot at least 6 of the Sporting Rifle Matches per year, which is about $200-250 per weekend for around 80 rounds on the practice area and field stages.

Tempest 455
February 9, 2012, 07:59 AM
OK so much more specifically...


Let's say the facility was 1.5 hrs east of Nashville and featured the following:

Natural terrain... picture a scenic set of ridges as backstops with elevation change of roughly 400' from valley to peak

$500 / annual membership ($300 for the first year while facilities are under construction)

Three different lanes where you can shoot 1000 yrds, 1200, 1300 yrds respectively, and some shorter lanes. I THINK I can include a 300 yrd 3-gun style bay.

One 100 yrd zero range, paper only, a couple benches

All other ranges are steel targets (provided by the range)(mostly reactive) so you don't need to bring your own, don't need to set up, never need to call the line cold.

A range bunkhouse, where members can sleep (prob $10/night/bunk or something, BYO sheets/bag/pillow), bathroom, etc. i.e. long-distance members could drive in and spend the weekend shooting. or free camping.

First year, range hours would be weekends-only, but shooting all day and night. Weekday hours by appointment. However, about 5 weeks/yr would be reserved for matches, which would preempt member recreational shooting/practice.

Rentals of previously mentioned rifles and NV.

Rules would permit anything you normally do in practical matches, including movement, firing from positions, barricades, even transitions to holstered pistols, etc in the 3gun bays. relatively rapid fire from precision AR15s etc. (as fast as you can keep rounds on a 300+ yrd steel silhouette...) etc etc etc

obviously, the bunks (sleep 6-12 initially) and rentals would be first come first served and i expect they would go quickly.


Slam dunk I would do it. That's almost how far I drive now to shoot and I'm north of Nashville.

kaferhaus
February 9, 2012, 09:02 AM
I'm a member of a range that's within 25 minutes of my house. Range has provisions for shooting from 5-1000 yds. No rental guns, but I'd never rent one anyway. No night shooting, but night hunting is against the law here. Provide your own targets other than the resettable steel that's already there. The dues are $70 a year. Shoot everyday if you want, no daily fees.

NO way I'd drive more than 45minutes to a range even if it were free. the fuel costs alone would suck and a 2hr drive??? 4hrs on the road to go shoot? Not for me.

I shoot several hundred rds of center fire rifle ammo per month for rifle/ammo tuning and LRBR practice. That's 6-8 trips to the range every month.... at a 2hr drive that'd be 32hrs of driving time and several hundred bucks worth of fuel each month.

MtnCreek
February 9, 2012, 10:28 AM
Maybe it's been covered, but I think having lanes with multiple targets per lane at varying, unknown distances would be great. You would probably want to re-set everything often (like bi-weekly or monthly) to keep it fresh. Maybe set it up like ‘golf rules’; if someone wanted to stay set up on a lane, they could stop and let the guy behind ‘play through’.

benzy2
February 9, 2012, 10:49 AM
It's an interesting idea. I'm not sure I understand having a 1400 yard range without a single bench. You aren't going to be on the move and shooting 1400 yards. I think you would open yourself to a wider client base if you included the setup for benchrest at least on the longer ranges.

As for what I'd pay, that's tough. The local range here runs out to 600 yards down to 25 yards with multiple pistol and rifle bays. It has a couple skeet and trap fields as well as a very nice indoor airgun and archery setup for the cold months. I think they have a muzzle loader only range too. They charge $120 a year and at one point recently were struggling to keep enough membership at that price. There you get the code to the property and go shoot if there is day light.

I don't have all that many weekends free so a weekend only range, even an outstanding one, would be something I wouldn't pay much to be a member. That's only my situation. If I had the ability to show up during day light hours and shoot on my own, I'd probably pay up to $200-$250, but would be much happier in the $150 range. I can't make this location work, but if such a range opened up closer that would be what I consider, though I'm not a 3-gun shooter and I don't play in the practical matches.

BullfrogKen
February 9, 2012, 11:45 AM
Tom,

I'm not commenting on what I personally like, but what the rifle market demands . . .


Not having the ability to host a CMP or NRA rifle match, or even facilitate practice for one held at another venue, will exclude several options for member recruitment and revenue. If you're fine with that and think you can pick up the difference in the shooter population who don't care a flip about organized shooting sports, OK.


Personally I appreciate both the traditional styles of riflery competition, and the more current styles found in three-gun and the matches you've been hosting down there last year.


Those are my comments just off the top of my head. We can speak more later.

taliv
February 9, 2012, 12:15 PM
Ken you raise a good point, but there's a 1000 yrd high-power range an hour east and another one an hour south-west of this location, each with 20-30 pits, but they are paper only and known distance only. I'm not trying to compete with them. Both of them are closer to the high-density population anyway.

Benzy, people who do practical type shooting just don't use benches. They shoot prone or off barricades, walls, trucks, roof, trees, etc. The point is shooting from field positions. I'm not saying i'm morally opposed to benches or anything, but it won't be practical to use them here.

MtnC, yes, the format will be pretty similar to golf course actually.


thanks again for the feedback

benzy2
February 9, 2012, 01:10 PM
I understand that the practical games don't shoot from a bench, but it seems like you cut a huge market out by not having any. I understand you are looking to be a practical only range, but the addition of benches would increase your potential client base by a large amount. Without a single bench and being weekend only this range would be one I'd probably skip by unless it was inexpensive. Just tossing the view point out there from one in the non-practical crowd. Adding a row of benches would realistically be the difference in my money being spent or not. If you have the desired amount of membership without benches it doesn't matter much.

taliv
February 9, 2012, 01:25 PM
so the problem with benches is that benches generally point in a single direction, but at this range you may be able to shoot steel targets at a dozen different berms from a single firing point. those berms may be located in a 120* fan, and the elevation could be as much as 200' above or below the firing point. it's just hard to construct a bench (and certainly a safe row of benches) that flexible. (especially since people who shoot from benches tend to prefer sturdy concrete ones)

it would only be weekend-only for the first 6mo to 1 yr (hopefully).

thanks again

Cosmoline
February 9, 2012, 01:40 PM
"moving targets, high angle shots, night shoots."

Sounds fantastic! But real tough to get insurance and permits for.

Here's my thoughts, FWIW. The more options you open up for members, and the more shooting styles you permit, the more restrictive you need to be in membership. What you're describing would likely need to be club-based with restrictive entry rules. Nobody gets into the range unless they've already passed safety courses, signed waivers and are members of the insured club entity. Even then it might be a trick to find coverage and get over any local regulatory hurdles.

benzy2
February 9, 2012, 01:43 PM
It's a fair point. Without seeing a layout I have troubles visioning a range that can shoot to 1400 yards but can't fit a row of benches. Again though, I certainly haven't seen the terrain nor planned layout.

It does sound like a paradise for the 3-gun/practical crowd.

Tempest 455
February 9, 2012, 08:49 PM
so the problem with benches is that benches generally point in a single direction, but at this range you may be able to shoot steel targets at a dozen different berms from a single firing point. those berms may be located in a 120* fan, and the elevation could be as much as 200' above or below the firing point. it's just hard to construct a bench (and certainly a safe row of benches) that flexible. (especially since people who shoot from benches tend to prefer sturdy concrete ones)

it would only be weekend-only for the first 6mo to 1 yr (hopefully).

thanks again

On a scale of 1-10, what is the probability this will happen?

HKGuns
February 9, 2012, 10:03 PM
I pay $330 annually for my range 15 minutes from home. I could pay less with work hours, but my time is more valuable to me.

80+ Acres
Four trap ranges
Four skeet ranges
One 5-Stand range
25 yard Pistol range 15 stations
50 yard rifle range 15 stations
100 yard rifle range 20 stations
200 yard rifle range 25 stations
Black powder rifle/pistol walk through
Archery walk through
Cowboy Action range
Enclosed Air pistol range 10 stations
Full service bar with $2 beers

Open M-Th 10am - 6PM
Friday 10am - Midnight
Saturday/Sunday 10am - 6PM
Saturday 10am - dusk

taliv
February 9, 2012, 10:34 PM
tempest, hard to say. maybe 7 or 8

HOOfan_1
February 11, 2012, 08:35 AM
Yeah weekend only would be absolutely out for me...I hate crowds.

My current range used to close down for matches A LOT...except there was no website, and no published schedule handed out to members. My range is 45 minutes away and my dad and I would often pack up our stuff...waste our time and gas to drive out there and then be told the range was closed for a match. We told them, you won't see our money again until you stop closing down for matches. A lot of other people said the same thing, and they had to build a couple of dedicated ranges for matches or close down due to lack of members.

What you are describing sounds great...other than the price, the weekends only, and the 9 hour travel from me. I am sure you will gain a membership of some hardcore long range guys and not so many casual shooters like myself.

taliv
February 11, 2012, 10:42 AM
good feedback, thanks again

the weekend only thing would hopefully only be for the first 6-10 months. matches would be roughly 4 weekends / year and are already published on my website at least a couple months in advance. travel time i can't help you with other than providing a bunk bed so you can stay for a couple days of shooting.

Tempest 455
February 11, 2012, 11:21 AM
Same as above. Closed for matches are a turn off and one of the reasons I don't join a gun club just 30 min from me, instead I drive and hour to an open range.

Sam1911
February 11, 2012, 12:20 PM
...matches would be roughly 4 weekends / year and are already published on my website at least a couple months in advance...

Closed for matches are a turn off ...

taliv, would it be fair to say that these very special matches would be part of the raison d'etre for the range, and practice for such competitions would be a big part of the draw for shooters to want to join in the first place?

A very symbiotic relationship. I would imagine it would also encompass classes in this kind of shooting as well which, like the matches, would require blocks of time the range would be limited or closed.

taliv
February 11, 2012, 01:23 PM
absolutely Sam. This range is basically designed for people who want to shoot practical long range. nothing against plinking, but this is not a range for plinkers or shooting paper. i'm not in any way trying to suggest this range is for everybody. i really expect a very tiny % of shooters would be interested or able to take advantage of it.

and to put that into some perspective, again, the average match fee is $250-$300 just 2 days of shooting. So the price people pay to shoot a match for 2 days is nearly the same that members will pay to shoot the same exciting courses of fire on all 45+ other weekends of the year combined.

we would also be running classes, but they would not consume the entire facility so members could still shoot

Gtimothy
February 11, 2012, 01:26 PM
Here is a list of what is available at the local range I belong to. Membership is $100/yr and $5.00 fee per visit which includes targets. It's also open to the public so it gets crowded sometimes but they have to pay quite a bit to use the facilities. The biggest drawback is it is only open Thursday-Sunday.

12 yard pistol, 75 yard rifle/pistol,

100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 565 & 1000 yard ranges,

5 stand shotgun, 3 bays of cowboy, 200 yard bench rest rifle and

AREA 51 (police training, run and gun, 3 gun, machine gun,)

With the economy the way it is, that could be a tough sell for me! A range with the amenities you propose would have to compete with my range so you would have to 1.) Be closer than 23 miles, 2.) Be members only, and 3.) Be competitively priced.

Tempest 455
February 27, 2012, 08:01 PM
Any update on this?

taliv
February 27, 2012, 09:04 PM
negotiating for the land... expect another update around mid summer

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