What I don't like, hmmmm..... CZ hurts my bank account. :p
February 5, 2012, 04:41 AM
I have a CZ 452 LUX .22 that I purchased about 4 years ago. The CZ 452 has lived up to my expectations as an accurate, quality rimfire rifle- no complaints whatsoever.
I recently decided to buy a new rimfire toy - a .17hmr. I looked closely at the CZ, Anschutz & Sako. For looks alone I went with the Sako Quad Hunter & as good as the CZ is, the Sako is better. Quality comes with a price, with the Sako costing double the price of a CZ in .17hmr.
If you are considering a CZ you won't be disappointed.
February 5, 2012, 05:08 AM
i did, recently purchased my 2nd cz rimfire for the simple fact of this version being offered with a 28" barrel
February 5, 2012, 05:31 AM
Ifit, did you put the FS stock on the UL or did someone else? Looks good.
February 5, 2012, 05:47 AM
my cousin has a 16 inch barrelled black one... maybe called the silhouette or similar. it is superb. they are developed from the old brno model 2 and are time proven excellant performers. I got rid of one about 5 years ago. I regret it. i would have it back any time. accurate, well made reliable and cheap. what more could you want
February 5, 2012, 05:49 AM
yes i did, after a range day of cleaning the rifles decided to switch the stocks around just for kicks, so the pic shows on top the ultralux w/fs stock, and below the fs w/u lux stock
February 5, 2012, 07:02 AM
For the money I would buy another in a hearbeat, simply nothing better in it's price range.
The things I don't care for are the poor out of the box trigger, I know cheap simple spring swap brings it up to par, but I should not need to modify a brand new rifle to get it within spec. The only other thing that bothers me is the cheap stamped sheet metal trigger guard. I nice milled trigger guard sure would be a fine addition.
A guy at my club shoots a 452. I was just admitting the stock yesterday. He does really well with it and it may be the sexiest .22 I have ever seen.
February 5, 2012, 08:33 AM
You bet! Already have 3. 07 model American, 09 Lux, & 10 Ultralux. Probably will get another, maybe a FS, and would very much like a 527 in 22 hornet, but would also like to have a 2nd Ultralux, by far my favorite! Everything about this rifle fit's me and my style & purpose. Wish they made the UL in 22mag and I'd jump on one now cause I'm sure it would take this round to another level for an ironsight hunting rifle! There's been a lot of -'s about the triggers, and must say my American has a lotta creep since I set it at it lowest, but in the squirrel woods I don't notice it and at 2 1/4# the rifle don't miss, only me occasinally, but I may work on that creep in the future? Love the triggers on the Lux & Ultralux, them being the same as they came out of the box, plenty good to near perfect for ironsight hunting rifles, which is my use of em. Also plenty that don't like the trigger guards but I like em the way they are! Only thing I would change on all 3 would be for the blueing on the Lux & Ultralux to be the equal of my American, which rivals that of an old Belgium made Browning!
The Lone Haranguer
February 5, 2012, 08:45 AM
Wouldja buy one again, or look at something else first?
I would buy one again. Had I not been in a jam, I would never have sold the one I had. :mad: (452 "Training Rifle" purchased in 2002, $229 at the time)
What don't you like about them? (There has to be something - I think)
There is always something. The safety is counterintuitive, having to release your grip and pull it to the rear to disengage it. The finish is not very rust resistant, although it was partly my fault for letting it sit too long. And that's it.
February 5, 2012, 08:47 AM
I have a 452 FS .22 and love it.A tack driver.Looking for one in.22 Mag......
February 5, 2012, 09:04 AM
Yes I would buy my 452 FS again without hesitation. The rifle has been more accurate than I thought it would be and its looks need no apology.
February 5, 2012, 09:08 AM
I bought a .22 varmint version (453 IIRC) after getting one in .204 Ruger. Both have the set trigger, which is excellent. Best groups I've been able to get are maybe 3/4" at 50 yards. Needs a scope with finer reticule.
Best I've got out of the .204 is maybe slightly less than an inch at 100 yards. It's still a work in progress.
I wanted a super accurate .22 rimfire. Seemed to be the most rifle for the least money.
February 5, 2012, 09:17 AM
Tim the student;
I have several. I bought the first one simply because it was one of the very few left hand bolt .22 rimfires on the market. I sold the Savage LHB .22 & bought more CZ's. I'm now starting a project to turn one of my CZ452 LHB's into a full stock LHB.
The YoDave kit allows you to adjust the trigger to whatever (within reason) you want and it's only about $20.00. There are also milled triggerguards on the market. I know this for a fact, I've purchased two of them over the years. I don't remember the name of the outfit right offhand, but they're in Boise Idaho I think & the fella that does them hangs out in the CZ section of Rimfire Central.
February 5, 2012, 09:18 AM
I have a CZ 452 Varmint in .17HMR that I bought about 6 years ago. It is incredibly accurate and just a beautifully crafted rifle. I would definately buy again!
The Lone Haranguer
February 5, 2012, 09:45 AM
I frequently recommend the Scout model as a kid's first rifle. The first time I saw one, I thought, "What a cute little carbine!" until I shouldered it and my hand hit my nose. :D
February 5, 2012, 10:53 AM
I've got two: a 453 Varmint and a 452 Scout for my son. The 453 has a set trrigger and a fixed 4x Nikon and shoots one hole at 50 yards.
The only other .22 I would consider for "accurate" work is the Savage B or F series, based on the many reviews I have read online. I have never shot one.
I also have a Ruger 10/22, but who doesn't?
February 5, 2012, 11:06 AM
I have a 452 American. There are a few minor design issues I'd prefer were different, the factory trigger is gritty, but I'd buy another in a second. While not exactly they way I'd design a rifle, they are the best 22 bolt rifle out there for the money.
February 5, 2012, 11:07 AM
Two, 452 Scout for my son, one of this nicest little 22s I've ever seen, and the new 512 sem-auto. The trigger on the 512 is gritty and needs working in, that's for certain, but the rifle is very interesting and fun.
February 5, 2012, 01:31 PM
Bought my first CZ in 2002 for the sum of $189. Then called the 452 Special. The level of accuracy for a rifle at that price level was almost too good to be true! The magazine was the most solid feeling rimfire mag I've ever used.
Some have issues with the trigger guard. I owned a much more expensive Sako Finnfire where the trigger guard/floorplate was plastic as was the magazine. The CZ trigger guard is still far more tolerable than say , the rubber ball bolt knob Anschutz uses on their 64 Series rifles.
Yeah the trigger has creep and they still used a plastic butt pad. Extra mags if ever needed are outrageous in price. Although , I would bet mine will last the life of the rifle. The trigger seems to be an easy enough fix without spending big dollars on aftermarket.
I eventually bought a 452 American and really was impressed with it. There was nothing else in the price range that came remotely close for the $339 I paid at the time.
February 5, 2012, 01:40 PM
My Ultra Lux is a goddamn sniper rifle, no joke. As in, sub-half-inch at 50 yards.
It's more accurate than my AR-15 inside 5 yards, though this is mainly a function of the sights. I want to suppress it, even though it's already hearing-safe on an open range.
You won't regret it. My youngest was trained on a CZ 452 Scout, and I occasionally put the Scout into the Ultra Lux stock, just for screwing around in the woods.
February 5, 2012, 02:33 PM
I have a 452 Trainer and an American with a 16" barrel. First, the one thing I did not like about the CZs is the trigger, especially when compared to what Sako and Anschutz delivers out the box. The good news is that the CZ trigger can be made as good or better for not a lot of $$ by someone who knows what they are doing.
There is not much to dislike about the CZ for the $$. In addition, I own 2 Sako Quads and an Anschutz 64 action. The Sako and Anschutz will outshoot the box stock CZs (once the trigger is reworked) with high dollar (Lapua, Eley) match ammo by a small margin. That's about it. The CZs really shine with the cheap hollow points, though. I'd say the Sakos and Anschutz are about even with match ammo each prefers. The Sako did come with a composite trigger guard and bolt handle, which I replaced. The bolt shroud is also composite. Otherwise, the Sakos shoot like nobody's business, and you will not find much in the way of composites on the CZ.
The Anschutz is the only rifle I had to do nothing to but a 10 second trigger adjustment, then that was really unnecessary. You can tell it is a very well thought out rifle and lives up to its reputation for quality and accuracy.
I had a lot of work done to the CZ American 16" - trigger, barrel lap, pillar bedding and lock time modification. That rifle will now shoot with the Sakos and Anschutz with high dollar match ammo and also reaps the benefits of shooting the cheap hollow points very accurately.
I'm not sure of the status of the new CZ 455. I know some had growing pains and had big shoes to fill attempting to replace the 452s. A Lilja drop-in barrel should be out shortly as I appreciate it. The 452 is a proven performer and even has its very own cult following, and that's the one I would and did buy.
So... the CZ is the rifle that gives you the most bang for the buck and you have to pay at least 2x the price to do a little better IMO.
February 5, 2012, 02:34 PM
I love my 452 American with the mentioned Yo Dave spring kit.
February 5, 2012, 04:06 PM
awesome that majority of people here enjoy their quality/accurate cz rimfires:cool:
Tim the student
February 5, 2012, 05:34 PM
I think it would be frustrating to get a rifle like that with a crappy trigger. Is it bad, or just not very nice?
Are the fixes stuff you can do yourself, or would gunsmith fees needed to be factored in to the price of the rifle?
February 5, 2012, 05:51 PM
Very easy to do. http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343817
No gunsmith, just Sophia and her links.
February 5, 2012, 05:51 PM
Went to the 50 yard range with a couple of colt action .22 rimfires last week
Those guys in Uhersky Brod know how to make and accurate rifle
So did those guys in Oberndorf
February 5, 2012, 06:39 PM
My Son and I have a love affair with CZ rifles. And I know they walk on water and the sun rises and sets on them. We have have a modest collection of CZ`s both rimfire and centerfire rifles. We have 2 452 trainers with the blockey sights that are marked to 200 yds Make fun if you want but slide the sight up to 200 yds and see where you are hitting. Ours will break clay birds on the 200 yrd bearm with very little problems if I do my part. My Son also bought a HD barrel 543 with the set trigger it is great. CZ`s 22 mag and 17HMR are in a class by them selves we think, it is a joy to just hold them. Hunting with them is almost cheating and I know any thing that feels as good as they do while your carrying them must be sinful. But any body that doesn`t like a CZ rifle probablity won`t like a good looking red headed woman in her brith day suit that owns a liquor store. We have not had single problem with any of our CZ`S and we have a few and we have been shooting them for a few years now. Their CF rifles are just the same works of art in my humble opion. If you are in the market for a really geat shooting rifle, try a CZ , I can`t belive you won`t fall for them like my Son and I have. The CZ people in Kansas City are really fine people to deal with there phone is (( 913-321-1811 )). Best of luck to all of you. ken
February 5, 2012, 08:31 PM
My CZ shoots sub 1/8th inch at 50 yards a lot of the time and under a quarter inch almost every time. But my Savage is still more accurate.
Take that savage to some national bench rest competitions and show them a $300 savage will hold an agg of around .1. Until you do that I simply won't believe your savage shoots better than sub 1/8" or 1/4 MOA. And so I don't seemed biased, I don't think your CZ consistently shoots sub 1/8"-1/4" either. Let me ask what brand flags you use to read wind as it would take wind calls accurate down to a single mph or less to shoot consistent sub 1/8" groups.
As to the original post, I do own two rimfires and have had two of their centerfires. They work well and are fun but I wouldn't look past an old remington or Winchester as well. The CZs certainly feel better built than the current savage/marlin options but shoot about the same. I would spend $300-$400 on one but much past that and I'd be looking for a used anschutz 64 actioned rifle.
I have an American and a Ultra Lux. Both very accurate and well made rifles. I have several other .22lr's in other brands as well, but CZ's are very hard to beat. Quarter size groups at 50 yards with bulk Federal auto match and Winchester target ammo. Haven't tried expensive ammo yet.
I had to sand the stock a little on one side on the Lux and shot a few boxes to break it in before it really shot well.
February 5, 2012, 11:45 PM
Where did you get that stock maxi? Very nice rifle.
February 6, 2012, 03:32 PM
cj74, this thread is about the cz not savage. why dont you start a new thread about your savage since you say its more accurate than the cz, that would be an interesting topic, if anybodys interested.
Tim the student
February 6, 2012, 08:32 PM
I'm not absolutely set on getting one, but does anyone know who can beat Bud's prices on CZs?
February 6, 2012, 08:37 PM
CZ452 in .17HMR. 22lr & .22 magnum here. Wouldn't mind a 527 in .223. I highly recommend the CZ line of rifles.
February 6, 2012, 08:47 PM
I have a couple of CZ rimfires and have fooled a pile of them. I have yet to see one that wasn't what I consider very accurate for an out of the box gun. The triggers are easy to tune on your own. I have never bought anyone's premade trigger kit. I generally just clip a couple of coils off the trigger spring to lighten it up. If there is any creep, I take care of it with a shim tube made out of items that I have on hand.
February 6, 2012, 09:19 PM
The triggers on mine were not bad out of the box. It is about making ok much better
February 6, 2012, 09:42 PM
I love my 452 Trainer. Mine has the Brooks trigger kit (ancestor of the Yodave) and Brno target sights. The trigger pull weight is right around 1 lb. with a tiny bit of take-up and no creep.
I have a lot of .22 rifles. The CZ is in the Top 3, along with an Izhmash Biathlon Basic and a Sako Finnfire. I use the Izhmash and the Sako for the scoped class, but my highest scores are with the CZ and the peeps. It's a very shootable rifle! :D
EDIT TO ADD: I did the trigger kit installation myself, and I'm no mechanical genius. It's pretty easy.
February 6, 2012, 09:48 PM
I've got a 452 Lux. It's more accurate than I am. If I could do it over again I would get the Varmint so I could mount a wider variety of optics on it. The finish on the bottom metal is a rust magnet.
February 6, 2012, 11:16 PM
I'm not absolutely set on getting one, but does anyone know who can beat Bud's prices on CZs?
I'd ask some local shops. Also, Whitakerguns is one of the better known sources for CZ's. Typically, after shipping and FFL charges they are as or more competitive than any local stores and they have a big selection. They also tend to have a few used options too. I've had my local store order me two CZ's and both came out with in a few bucks of any online dealer from an out the door price.
February 7, 2012, 12:03 AM
I like mine. I'm about to start restocking it for a more classic look and feel (and a real cheekpiece).
I've always wanted one of the .22 Hornet CZ's, but I can't think of one single use I'd have for one! :D
February 7, 2012, 08:52 AM
My FIL has a 452 Lux, I have a 452 American 16. Both are extremely accurate. I'd love to add a 452 FS. So yes, I'd buy another.
February 7, 2012, 09:21 AM
My wife has a CZ 452 in .17 HMR with a 3x10 Leupold. Minute of ground squirrel at 50 yards. Excellent rifle. Researched the options before we bought it. Best gun for the money, IMHO.
February 7, 2012, 12:49 PM
Well, I would have not bought my specific CZ452 FS, had I known. Yeah, I said it.
+ Great fit/finish, very smooth
+ very attractive.
+ good weight
- However, mine has 1st shot 'cold bore' fliers which happen after 60 sec of sitting on the firing line, and have been impossible to fix (tried floating the barrel, swapped end-caps, tried tons of ammo varieties, even did the fire-lapping). Other than that issue the accuracy is good, but not great (I've shot 22s in competition, so I have high expectations :)
- stock trigger is 'ok', yodave kit is better, but a little dangerous if dropped.
- idk why, but the matte finish on my receiver is different from the blued finish on my barrel. Looks like a common thing (from inspecting similar CZs at the store), but it could be better.
- you kind of have to clean the bore from the muzzle, cause the extractor bit will scrape the hell out of your cleaning rods if you try to clean from the receiver.
So I feel like I got a bad barrel, and am looking to sell it, replace it with another 22. I've yet to decide if I want to get another CZ 452/455 or try an autoloader of some sort or savage bolt gun. I'll probably take a gamble on another CZ. I'd just rebarrel the one I have, if I knew where/how to find aftermarket replacement barrels.
February 7, 2012, 01:06 PM
I own 4 of them in .22 and one in .17, so yes, I'd buy one again.
My wife gave me this CZ452 Varmint Thumbhole in 17HMR for Christmas, as well as the Monarch 5-20X44 last summer for my birthday. I'm not one for laminated stocks, but it's the only way you can get a thumbhole stock from CZ, it's well done and I'm sure I'll grow to love it, it fits well. I only have 200 rounds through it and it seems to be accurate. I expected to have to work on the trigger, but happily this rifle seems to have a good trigger. The bolt is a little scratchy and stiff, but that will improve over time.
This my first .17HMR and I'm enjoying learning the cartridge, it sure is flat shooting.
This is my first CZ rifle but I do have a few CZ handguns and two Brno rifles. I like them all.
February 7, 2012, 02:34 PM
Nice picture Furn.
February 7, 2012, 04:23 PM
I have a 452 Varmint. It shoots pretty well. I have no complaints and would buy another CZ rimfire. I may just do that this year. I am pretty interested in handling their newish semi-auto 22 rifle. Love to have a 452 Scout too, just because...
February 7, 2012, 08:37 PM
I have a 452 Trainer and just got a Scout this week for the grand kids but I shot it Sunday and it is a nice accurate little rifle, so the kids will have to share. :D
Now I think I need the 512 also.
February 9, 2012, 02:46 PM
I had a Remington 721, very old and creepy, some1 told me to go for Czech guns I was sceptical, but I thought to give it a try got my first Brno in .243, it proved such an excellent rifle with little work on its trigger group, later on I managed to get a 455 lux in 22Lr.
Both guns have now become my favourites and I am looking forward to buy a 308 in Cz this fall.
February 9, 2012, 08:50 PM
Just got mine this past sat, The i wish is i had bought them before. I would buy again in a heart beat .