E.R Shaw barrels.


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Kachok
February 6, 2012, 01:28 AM
I am thinking about doing a caliber conversion on a savage and while looking around I came across these barrels on Midway USA, they are priced right for sure, does anyone have any experence with these barrels, are they chrome lined for high performance calibers? I am a long time 6.5mm guy and want a high performance 6.5, They offer 6.5-284, 6.5-06 (AI) 6.5 rem mag, and 264 Win mag. I would perfer the 6.5 Rem mag but I think I would have to change the bolt face in addition to the barrel to convert a short action Savage, if that is a major expense I might be better off buying a Long action and going with the 264 or 6.5-06 AI. I have never done a rifle build before so any input would be helpful. Am I missing anyting?

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MtnCreek
February 6, 2012, 10:50 AM
I don't think any of those will work with a short action. Is your rifle a 10 or 110 or other?

dprice3844444
February 6, 2012, 11:08 AM
krieger also make them for savage

Russt
February 6, 2012, 01:07 PM
I've been doing barrel swaps for Savage rifles for about a year now. Started out w/a 22-250 on a .243 action. It snowballed from there. I now have 2ea .223's 1, sporter & 1, varmint contour, 2ea 22-250's same contour's as 223's, sporter .243, .221 fireball, 20 practical, .308 sporter, & 7mm-08...it get's outta hand if you're not careful. Here's a group buy going on for ER Shaw barrels now if you don't mind the wait.
http://www.gunshack.com/65ERSHAW
savageshooters.com has some reviews on the ER Shaw barrels, lots of good reports on them.

LoonWulf
February 6, 2012, 07:12 PM
I have an ER shaw barreld 700 (they did all the work also), love it one of my most accurate rifles. If your going to convert a short action savage from standard to 6.5 rem magnum, youll need the bolt head and some work on your magazine box (i dont know about that but it seems like it might work better to use a WSM box then trying to adjust the stack in a normal mag). Do you have an older one, with the magbox attached to the action? or is it the new style with it attached to the stock?

Kachok
February 6, 2012, 08:20 PM
I don't have a Savage at the moment, my friend just bought mine, I could get a bare action or buy a used Savage from a pawn shop, or even one of those super cheep Axis rifles. So I am open to all kinds of ideas.

Cemetery21
February 6, 2012, 11:07 PM
I used a prefinished Shaw for a build last fall - 257 Roberts sporter on a short Savage. I had a few fliers during load development and breakin, but it settled down to consistent groups a little under 1". I was just changing from a .243 so I had no issues with bolt face or magazine.

LoonWulf
February 7, 2012, 04:16 AM
I think the 6.5x284 would be the easiest....you just by a savage factory rifle :p

Id probably go with a 6.5-06Ackly or the .264WM on a long action, you can buy all the stuff you need to just bolt one of those together, for a reasonable cost. Another idea I thought would be neat, but would cost a pretty penny would be a 6.5 WSM with the shoulder pushed back, kinda like a big 6mm BR.

MtnCreek
February 7, 2012, 08:42 AM
I would do a little research before buying a donor rifle to make sure you’re getting something standard where aftermarket parts are available. There are some oddballs out there; I suggest getting the bolt spacing measurement and call a stock manufacturer to make sure it is typical. The Axis may be a different animal; I’m don’t know. A Stevens is said to be the same as the comparable Savage action for less money. Northland Shooter Supply (Jim Brigs ?) may have parts cheaper than Midway. He does, without a doubt, know the Savage rifles and will discuss your build with you.

Good Luck!

Kachok
February 7, 2012, 09:06 AM
I think the 6.5x284 would be the easiest....you just by a savage factory rifle :p

Id probably go with a 6.5-06Ackly or the .264WM on a long action, you can buy all the stuff you need to just bolt one of those together, for a reasonable cost. Another idea I thought would be neat, but would cost a pretty penny would be a 6.5 WSM with the shoulder pushed back, kinda like a big 6mm BR.
Problem with the 6.5-284 is that brass if as rare as frog fangs. It seems to be getting more popular as it is spilling over from the benchrest world, but it is still a rare sight. The nice thing about the 6.5-284 is that I can use a regular .473" bolt face and a long action so basicly I should be able to rebarrel any Savage 30-06 or 270. People think that the 6.5-284 is a short action, and technicly the wildcat is, but you will rarely find it in said short action, because to keep from cutting into powder capasity the bulllets are not seated much deeper then the base of the neck, the long bullets sticking out make it a long action.
The 6.5-06 AI and 264 have a higher performance threshold, but the 264 is a pain in the butt to get brass for much like the 6.5-284. I have never necked up brass or done any fire forming, but I am confident I can figure it out easy enough.

MtnCreek
February 7, 2012, 09:17 AM
Norma and Lapua both make brass for the 6.5x284. I think Norma makes factory ammo for it (but +$$$).

nastynatesfish
February 7, 2012, 09:57 AM
ive used 5 of theyre barrels, my 2-7mags, 308win, 270 of my brotherin laws and a 300winmag. ive went through ershaw for all mine except the 270 because they were custom barrels and the 270 was a heavy magnum contour. they all shoot very good, even my break in shot surprised me. and remember that 6.5-06 is only going to last you 1200 rounds or so. its alot of boom but i think that you could get a better, longer lasting round. the turn around on barrels from ershaw is right about 6 months

nastynatesfish
February 7, 2012, 09:59 AM
i dont know about the axis rifles to be interchanged with the 110? i would look at a used action or a pawnshop gun just look for an G or E series gun.
you can also find the stevens 200 rifles laying around for 250 or so, then you just need an 85 dollar trigger and glass for it. just remember to get a MAP torch and heat the barrel nut well before you try to break it loose, i twisted an action on a build because i never have needed to before. i own one now. and also if you get a used rifle check the screw holes under the front scope base. if the wrong screws were put in the front holes the threads on the barrel will be marred and youll need to hit them with a drill to take the edge off or youll chew up the threads on the inside of your reciever when you try to unscrew the barrel. the reciever tap cost about 90 bucks from brownells, ask me how i know that one lol.

LoonWulf
February 7, 2012, 01:24 PM
One of the reasons i thought a WSM, or even a WSSM, based 6.5 might be neat is you could shoehorn it into a short action and probably still get near x284 capacity. Getting it to feed correctly would be a whole nother beast tho lol.
Brass forming from the 7mm or .338 to the .264 should be as simple as running it thru your dies and triming. Bolt heads for the savage action are cheap, 30 bucks tops, so changing from a standard to magnum to WSM faced bolt its pretty inexpensive and takes about 5 mins. As has already been suggested, the stevens 200 or an older G/E (I have an E based .300wm) action would probably be the easiest to build from. The newer actions dont have as many options in stocks.

Kachok
February 7, 2012, 01:53 PM
The 6.5 WSM has been done many times before, they are pretty well known amongst the 6.5 cult, they are a real screamer. I don't know who builds their barrels for them though, I know E.R Shaw does not chamber it. I figured we would have a few Savage nuts in here that would know more about the older actions vs newer ones. Despite not likeing the look of the Axis that actualy is a pretty sweet gun for what they cost.

MtnCreek
February 7, 2012, 03:06 PM
Shilen cuts a 6.5xWSM. They also make drop in (full chambered/threaded) Savage barrels. One thing I'm not sure about is the use of the 'fat' short mags in a regular Savage action. Savage factory short mags have a larger dia barrel and action (Large Shank). FYI: Northland will sale you a select match Shilen barrel for about the same price Shilen sells their standard barrels.

LoonWulf
February 7, 2012, 03:20 PM
I was aware the WSM had been necked down to the 6.5, but to run 140s long i was under the impression that you were going to need a long or atleast longer action in most cases.

Offfhand
February 7, 2012, 04:58 PM
I have two 6.5 Leopard rifles (WSM necked to 6.5 as originally developed by Jim Carmichael)) that I use in 1000 yd competition. One if these is built on a short 700 Rem action, but there is no problem using 142 gr Sierras seated long as I single load anyway. The only problem is ejecting a loaded round, in which case it is necessary to release the bolt stop and pull the bolt back a bit further. The bolt stop could be replaced to eliminate even this small problem, but not worth the bother as it happens so rarely

LoonWulf
February 7, 2012, 06:45 PM
it would be nice to be able to use the magazine. I was thinking it would make a neat hunting round.

Kachok
February 7, 2012, 07:24 PM
I just bought a new Savage 110 long action package (30-06) it was a little more money then the Axis, but it already has a nice trigger and I figure everything should be compatable with the 110, besides I can use the Bushnell scope it came with on a .22 or something :D

LoonWulf
February 7, 2012, 11:20 PM
That should be a good starting point :D Have you decided on a round for it?

Kachok
February 8, 2012, 12:12 AM
I am still thinking I might go with the 6.5-06 AI, but to be honest the 280 AI is tempting too. I thought about 25-06AI too but it might be a touch overbore, still doing my homework on it. The belted magnums provide great performance too, but brass would cost more and require me to change the bolt face too.

LoonWulf
February 8, 2012, 12:32 AM
how long a barrel were you thinking of installing? I like the idea of the 6.5-06AI, but i also like the idea of the .280. If i didnt already have my 7mm rem thats what I would want lol.

Kachok
February 8, 2012, 01:47 AM
I want a 26" barrel, I am not worried about a compact woods rifle because I already have my Tikka for that.

MtnCreek
February 8, 2012, 08:15 AM
I like the sound of a 6.5-06. You may want to consider a .260 and 6.5x55 as well. I'm not looking at specs, but I have some .308 & 6.5x55 brass sitting here and the head dia's look the same.

I assume the x-wsm's and x-284 would be some real barrel burners.

morcey2
February 8, 2012, 09:57 AM
I like the sound of a 6.5-06. You may want to consider a .260 and 6.5x55 as well. I'm not looking at specs, but I have some .308 & 6.5x55 brass sitting here and the head dia's look the same.

I assume the x-wsm's and x-284 would be some real barrel burners.
The 6.5x55 head is about 0.009" larger than a 308/?x57/06/etc, which isn't much. The problem comes in when winchester brass has the same head size as the 308, but the chamber is still larger. It makes brass life very short.

I'm building a 6.5x55 on a spanish 93 receiver and I have a Stevens 200 in 30-06 with a nasty looking bore on layaway that at this point is slated to become a 6.5-06 AI.

Matt

MtnCreek
February 8, 2012, 10:29 AM
The 6.5x55 head is about 0.009" larger than a 308/?x57/06/etc, which isn't much. The problem comes in when winchester brass has the same head size as the 308, but the chamber is still larger. It makes brass life very short.

I don't completly follow. True to spec 6.5x55 is 9 thou larger, but Winchester makes 6.5x55 brass 9 thou smaller than spec (same dia as .308)?
Thanks!

Kachok
February 8, 2012, 11:11 AM
I like the sound of a 6.5-06. You may want to consider a .260 and 6.5x55 as well. I'm not looking at specs, but I have some .308 & 6.5x55 brass sitting here and the head dia's look the same.

I assume the x-wsm's and x-284 would be some real barrel burners.
I already have a 6.5x55 it is my baby :D Superb accuracy, near zero recoil, puts any and all deer down with an authority, quiter then most handguns, gatta love it. I just want to add a higher speed 6.5 or 7mm so I won't have to push the limits of the 6.5x55 when I hunt WIDE open farms. I can stroke about 3,000fps out of the sweed with 120 BTs but I don't want to push it any further since my primers are already near completly flat at that speed. The WSMs in 6.5mm I am sure would be hard on barrels, the 6.5-284 is not so but won't match the performance of a 6.5-06 though they are close, the 6.5-284 is still in the running but I don't like not being able to find brass so the 06 family has cought my attenttion more.

morcey2
February 8, 2012, 11:30 AM
I don't completly follow. True to spec 6.5x55 is 9 thou larger, but Winchester makes 6.5x55 brass 9 thou smaller than spec (same dia as .308)?
Thanks!

They do, or at least they did last time I checked. I mic'ed the heads on winchester 6.5x55, unfired and compared it to a Prvi Partizan and the winchesters averaged about about 0.010" smaller than the PPU. That's been a couple of years ago, but my understanding is that it's still that way. I'll have to check again when this rifle gets finished.

I know that winchester has started subcontracting with PPU for 7.62x54R brass so they may have started doing the same thing for some of the other cartridges.

Matt

Kachok
February 8, 2012, 11:54 AM
I don't understand why winchester and remington would be so cheap as to try to make 6.5x55 brass with a 308 headsize. That just seems silly to me. I use PPU brass at them moment but I think I am going to order some Lapua of Norma.

LoonWulf
February 8, 2012, 01:42 PM
Kinda makes sense, i doubt the x55 is all that high on their bean counter lists. Why set up extra tooling when the tooling for one will work....if not very well LOL.

matt 7mm
February 11, 2012, 12:15 PM
my hornady 4th edition reloding manual shows the 308 haveing .473 rim diameter and the 6.5x55 haveing .476 rim diameter.so if i rebarreled a 308 to a 6.5 without doing anything to the bolt face would only winchester brass that has the smaller rim work or will the .476 rim still fit snugly on a bolt designed for the .473 rim.

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