What rifle caliber, bullet for the least meat loss & damage


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wildchild2010
February 7, 2012, 01:13 PM
What is your combo you are using for hunting bear, deer, moose, elk to keep the meat damage to a minimum. Some guys use one caliber and others use a few.

0-100 yards
0-200 yards
200+ yards

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CoRoMo
February 7, 2012, 02:34 PM
One caliber here; .270 Winchester.

Oh.. don't shoot them in a piece that you intend to eat, and this won't be a problem.

jrdolall
February 7, 2012, 02:40 PM
If you hit an animal in a muscle you will get massive damage with nearly any big game round. I hit a running deer in the ham with a .243 a few years ago when the first shot didn't knock her down and destroyed both rear quarters
30-06 is my go to round but I hae never hunted moose.

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
February 7, 2012, 04:09 PM
Controlled expansion bullets tend to damage less meat. Most meat damage is caused by fast moving, fast expanding type bullets.

jmr40
February 7, 2012, 04:13 PM
don't shoot them in a piece that you intend to eat, and this won't be a problem.

Do this and use the bullet that puts them down the fastest so you have less chance of losing all of the meat with an animal you don't recover.

Kachok
February 7, 2012, 11:09 PM
45-70 heavy hardcast, no expansion but it still puts them down. Slower bullets almost always destroy less meat then faster ones. That said even a nasty bullet right behind the shoulder won't destroy much if any, unless you eat deer ribs like me :) even a slow bullet hitting the shoulder bone can destry alot of meat, had a 140gr 6.5mm hit the shoulder socket at only about 2400fps but the bone acted like a fragmentation gernade and nearly destroyed both shoulders!

LoonWulf
February 7, 2012, 11:25 PM
Kachok called it, big, heavy, HARD, slow(ish) bullet would be your best bet. Personally I try to keep my shots behind the shoulder, even bullets that blow up dont usually damage too much of what im going to eat.

Kachok
February 8, 2012, 12:23 AM
Below 1900fps and no expansion you can eat right up to the hole. larger calibers can be hard on the shoulder though. When I can keep the entry and exit behind the shoulder I only loose a couple ounces of rib meat, even with nasty fast expanding ballistic tips. Halfway up the torso right behind the shoulder will destroy the lungs and not harm any prime meat, or you can just neck shoot them, but I recommend only using very fast expanding bullets for neck shots, despite common belif a harder bullet can pass through the neck without causing quick kills.

TwoEyedJack
February 8, 2012, 12:35 AM
I use to shoot deer in the shoulder with a .270 using a max loaded 130 gr. ballistic tip. Lots of damage and DRT. Now I shoot behind the shoulder in the ribs with a 130 gr. core lokt. Much less damage and the deer only goes a little farther. If I have time to really set up the shot, I like a high rib shot that takes out the bottom of the back bone without messing up the backstraps. Those are DRT and don't mess up much meat.

critter
February 8, 2012, 06:13 AM
LISTEN to the guys touting the old 45-70!

Lloyd Smale
February 8, 2012, 07:50 AM
22lr ;)

eastbank
February 8, 2012, 07:54 AM
7mm08 with a 154 round nose at 2500fps if shot at 200yds or less works well.eastbank.

Art Eatman
February 8, 2012, 09:42 AM
I'll do the +1 thing with CoRoMo: Don't shoot into the eating part. Me, I've never had much interest in neck meat or the heart/lungs...

MCgunner
February 8, 2012, 09:44 AM
I've been really impressed with my .308 and Nosler 150 BTs. Not much meat loss and very deadly. Of course, my .257 Roberts with 100 grain Game King wasn't broke. :D Stay away from the 150 7mm game king in 7 mag, though, at least at short range. That one tears 'em up.

I don't have a .45-70, but finally got one this season with a .50 caliber 385 grain minie ball at about 1400 fps. Slow and pre-expanded seems to work for out to 100 yards. :D

GuysModel94
February 8, 2012, 09:47 AM
Stay away from the magnums, unless your feeding your ego!! My father always cautioned about over calipering.

interlock
February 8, 2012, 09:55 AM
i shoot 7mm08 with a quite "hard" hornady 139 gr interlock at about 2800 fps. when delivered in the neck (i don't eat much of that) it causes next to no damage or a broadside in the pocket kills very well with minimal damage... the faster the bullet... the more damage (rough rule of thumb).

in 30-06 i shoot 165gr soft points (also interlocks) for longer shots so it is a bit quicker at the muzzle. i also put that in the pocket or the neck. The broadside shot goes through the ribs and out of the ribs. very little damage.

i think the most damaging combination i have used is a .243 with 80 gr bullets on deer.

MCgunner
February 8, 2012, 09:57 AM
Stay away from the magnums, unless your feeding your ego!! My father always cautioned about over calipering.



One uses a bigger, controlled expansion bullet with the magnums for bigger game like Elk. I consider the 7mm and 300 mags pretty ideal for bigger game like that, but a bit much on mulies. BUT, I was glad I had my 7 shooting 370 yards across a New Mexico canyon at a mulie buck. The big magnums ain't just about ego. They put down good energy way out there and shoot flat. On bigger game, the controlled expansion bullets assure penetration with your expansion. If you're using one for heavy brush whitetail hunting, go to a big bullet to minimize expansion OR, as I figured when I picked the 7 mag over .280 or 7-08 (I like 7mm bullets), I can load my magnum down to mimic your 7-08 or even less, but you ain't gonna push a 150 grain bullet any 3200 fps. RL22 is a great powder for full power loads, but I really haven't messed with squib loads in the gun and since getting my .308, I haven't really used it much.

Skyshot
February 8, 2012, 02:16 PM
I like the 160 gr. Nosler Accubond in a 7mm RM, pushing around 2900 fps at the muzzel. We've used it on bear,moose,caribou and whitetails. The bullet stays together pretty well. The bullet can get a little more violent when pushed above 3000 fps. when shooting inside 100 yards. I've got about 55 or so whitetail kills with it and they've all had a nice nickel to quarter size exit hole. Same with most of the bigger critters inside of 300 yards.

TGReaper
February 8, 2012, 08:50 PM
It has been my experience that the smaller fast cartridges are inclined to do a great deal of damage if the shot is a bit off.( I know this never happens to us great shots)
The .270 to 30-06 group are bad in this case but the toy mags .264, 7mm and .300s are real messy if things don't go exactly right.
I believe that most of the people that shoot them will agree with me when I suggest that the .375 H&H is about as good as it gets when it comes to killing with a minimum of eating meat distruction.
TGR

Derry 1946
February 8, 2012, 09:09 PM
32-20.

wildchild2010
February 9, 2012, 01:09 PM
45-70 heavy hardcast, no expansion but it still puts them down. Slower bullets almost always destroy less meat then faster ones. That said even a nasty bullet right behind the shoulder won't destroy much if any, unless you eat deer ribs like me :) even a slow bullet hitting the shoulder bone can destry alot of meat, had a 140gr 6.5mm hit the shoulder socket at only about 2400fps but the bone acted like a fragmentation gernade and nearly destroyed both shoulders!
I hear the good ole' 45-70 and the 444 Marlin with cast work pretty good. Does it make a mess of the meat if you hit bone or is it thru and thru hole.

wildchild2010
February 9, 2012, 01:10 PM
22lr ;)
Lloyd, hey now you be nice.

wildchild2010
February 9, 2012, 01:13 PM
For the 200+ yards shots what are you using ing the 7mm Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag, 30-06.
Or just do neck head shots.

Hawghunter68
February 10, 2012, 08:31 PM
270win. shooting 130 grain nosler partitions,prefer to shoot the shoulders if I can.In my part of NC this is all I need for deer,bear and hogs with minimum loss of meat.

T Bran
February 10, 2012, 08:48 PM
300 WIN MAG
You can load it down to 30/30 velocities or up to full power depending on what you are shooting at. If you reload check out H4895 for reduced loadings. A really fast bullet will destroy more meat regardless of caliber.
+ another one for not shooting the parts you plan on eating.

theicemanmpls
February 10, 2012, 09:06 PM
45/70, 444,

AK_Maine_iac
February 10, 2012, 09:38 PM
You can't go wrong with the ole 45/70. The bullet is like a slow moving tank pushing down a brick wall. The old saying goes. Eat right up to the hole.

jaysouth
February 11, 2012, 10:01 PM
.30-30 or .30-06 with a cast 165 gr flat point bullet going 1700 fps. Good to 150 yards and anchors them on the spot.

wildchild2010
February 12, 2012, 11:32 PM
45/70, 444,
That ole' 444 Marlin has the edge over the 45-70 in the penetration area.

theicemanmpls
February 12, 2012, 11:56 PM
That ole' 444 Marlin has the edge over the 45-70 in the penetration area.
Yes, that maybe correct.

However the ole 45-70 can shoot a 550g LFP powered by 40.0g of H332 @1530fps.

That is a bowling ball.

Can the .444 do that?

wildchild2010
February 13, 2012, 05:53 PM
Yes, that maybe correct.

However the ole 45-70 can shoot a 550g LFP powered by 40.0g of H332 @1530fps.

That is a bowling ball.

Can the .444 do that?
I can shoot 800gr. cast out of my single shot 45-70 to, no need for that unless I an hunting dozers in the woods. The 444 is a great flying round with a lot of smack behind it. Don't get me wrong the .45-70 is a great round.

caribou
February 13, 2012, 08:35 PM
Any .30 cal , moving a 2,500FPS + will do very well on all Bears, moose and other large game.
placement is everything, and I deliver my .30 with a Mosinnagant Finn M-39. I use FMJ's because they are legal "Alaskan Solids" they are, the penatration is awsome and the hole kills em dead when blown through the right place :D

Gunnerboy
February 13, 2012, 08:48 PM
6.5x55 = less than a 1/2 lb of meat loss even through shoulders

snakeman
February 13, 2012, 08:53 PM
any standard caliber loaded with some solidly constructed bullets i.e. nosler partition, barnes x, hornady gmx

AABEN
February 13, 2012, 09:15 PM
If you hit an animal in a muscle you will get massive damage with nearly any big game round. I hit a running deer in the ham with a .243 a few years ago when the first shot didn't knock her down and destroyed both rear quarters
30-06 is my go to round but I hae never hunted moose.
I think you need some range time BAD

trex1310
February 13, 2012, 09:38 PM
I live in the deep south, so no moose or elk and bears are protected.
That said I have shot somewhere upwards of 300 whitetails. I
currently use a Kimber Longmaster Classic in .308 with a 24"
barrel. I use WW 168gr Silvertips. Sometimes I use a Weatherby
Vanguard .243. In the Vanguard I shoot Federal (bluebox) 100gr sp.
The .243 is excellent on deer sized game. I have never had to
shoot a deer more than once.

AABEN
February 13, 2012, 10:57 PM
The queston was what gun would be good for all. A 243 would not be any good on bear elk moose. I am a 243 man I have 4 243 and shoot then a lot.

theicemanmpls
February 14, 2012, 09:12 PM
If you hit an animal in a muscle you will get massive damage with nearly any big game round. I hit a running deer in the ham with a .243 a few years ago when the first shot didn't knock her down and destroyed both rear quarters
30-06 is my go to round but I hae never hunted moose.
I will try and be nice.
Why on earth are you shooting an animal in the ass?
Did I miss something with your post?

caribou
February 14, 2012, 11:27 PM
.243w kills Caribou, Muskox, Brown Bears, Polar Bears, Moose with definit certainty. For years I hunted with such till I flipped th eboat on a deadhead and lost a dear friend of a Rem700ADL in .243W.....100grn all the way.

A very, very Poular round among Eskimo here in NW AK.... :D

Aged 1
February 15, 2012, 06:10 AM
.50 mini bullet in front loader dropped Elk in his tracks. Shot from 90 yards. No meat damage.

Lloyd Smale
February 17, 2012, 07:30 AM
Miss and youll damage nothing! I chuckle at guys worried about damaging a few lbs of burger meat. Ill take a bit more damage and a quickly killed deer anyday over two more lbs of burger and tracking a wounded deer. Tracking sucks and so does having a deer suffer. Ive shot deer with about every magnum chambered rifle round using cup and core bullets and the only times ive ruined excessive meat was when i made a poor shot. Shoot a deer right on the shoulder broadside and i dont care what bullet your using if you are using a high velocity rifle your going to make a mess. Shoot them behind the shoulder and a cup and core bullet will put them down faster and do no more meat damage. I dont care if your using a 3030, 243, 270, 06 or a mag like a 7 or 300. I shoot close to an average of 50 deer a year with various guns and loads and found you can tear them up with about anything and on the other hand if you place your shots well you can shoot one with about anything and loose not a bit more meat.

wildchild2010
February 17, 2012, 12:08 PM
Miss and youll damage nothing! I chuckle at guys worried about damaging a few lbs of burger meat. Ill take a bit more damage and a quickly killed deer anyday over two more lbs of burger and tracking a wounded deer. Tracking sucks and so does having a deer suffer. Ive shot deer with about every magnum chambered rifle round using cup and core bullets and the only times ive ruined excessive meat was when i made a poor shot. Shoot a deer right on the shoulder broadside and i dont care what bullet your using if you are using a high velocity rifle your going to make a mess. Shoot them behind the shoulder and a cup and core bullet will put them down faster and do no more meat damage. I dont care if your using a 3030, 243, 270, 06 or a mag like a 7 or 300. I shoot close to an average of 50 deer a year with various guns and loads and found you can tear them up with about anything and on the other hand if you place your shots well you can shoot one with about anything and loose not a bit more meat.
I seen deer hit with 7mm and 300 win and make one hell of a mess of the deer. Cast bullets in the big bore 444 and the 45-70 seem to have a bit of energy to dump a deer at 200 yards. Head and neck shot seen to work pretty good with the 300 win. Bang flop and drop.

41 Mag
February 18, 2012, 04:11 AM
^^What Lloyd said,^^

I hunt quite a few different rifles and handguns, and calibers range from .223 through 454. Most use C&C type bullets, and some use cast. When the time comes for a shot, I shoot to put the critter down on the spot and worry about the trimming later. As mentioned I would much rather trim off a pound or so than have to track or possibly loose the whole thing.

Arkansas Paul
February 18, 2012, 09:44 AM
Ill take a bit more damage and a quickly killed deer anyday over two more lbs of burger and tracking a wounded deer.


Me too amigo.
Bullet selection matters more than the caliber being used. Two things cause tissue destruction and they are high velocity and bullets that expand rapidly. Bullets that blow to confetti drop deer fast, but if you hit it in the shoulder, you're not going to be eating the one on the exit side. One of the worst messes I've ever seen was made by a .223 on a whitetail.
The guys who are suggesting a .45-70 or .444 are correct, because slow moving, heavily constructed bullets don't come apart. I've shot a couple of deer recently with Remington Core Lokts and one with a Federal soft point and lost almost no meat on either.

Kachok
February 18, 2012, 11:23 PM
Much has been said for the 444 and 45-70, but don't forget the 44 magnum, very likely the most parctical deer round ever within brush range, sure the 45-70 can handle heavier bullets, and the 444 can throw the same bullets faster, but for whitetails within a hundred yards you need neither, and the 44 comes in several handy light kicking carbines.

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