Favorite powder/charge for 150-165gr 30-06


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Kachok
February 7, 2012, 11:52 PM
I am going to buy some reloading supplies to develop some loads for my new 06. What powders have proven most accurate for you in this weight? I am planning on trying Ballistic Tips, SGKs and SSTs since they have worked so well for me in the past.

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A-FIXER
February 8, 2012, 02:21 AM
For paper using a winchester 147gr w/c I am using TAC at 47grs and out of my remy 700 (WAS ONCE A SPS MODEL) now the only thing orginal is the receiver the rest has been customized barrel,trigger,stock,bolt,firingpin assy,mag well now will do 1/2 moa at 225yrds with a 24'' barrel, and suppressed, vortex viper scope and at 100 pretty much 5 shots that a nickel will cover. But this is only for paper, not hunting.

rg1
February 8, 2012, 02:46 AM
The old tried and true IMR 4350 works well for 150-165 weight range in bolt action rifles. Do consult your manuals and work up to these charges but up to 57 grains for 165 gr. bullets and up to 59 grains for 150 gr. ones. These are near maximum charges so work up.

Kachok
February 8, 2012, 03:51 AM
57gr of IMR pushing a 165 seems to be a tried and true load, I have heard several people recomend it, when I consulted the Nosler manual it listed that as the most accurate load tested, but it also a max load so I will aproach with caution. I just so happen to keep a good supply of 4350 on hand for 120gr BTs in my 6.5x55 :) RL 19 is listed as a top choice for 150s but I have not heard many people talk about that one. RL22 seems to give the highest speeds all the way from 165gr to 220gr but accuracy reviews I have heard are mixed. Is it just me or does RL22 work in everything? It is one of the fastest and most accurate powders in my mild mannerd 6.5x55 and the fastest powder in such screamers as the 25-06 and 270WSM.

ColtPythonElite
February 8, 2012, 03:57 AM
I have used 150 gr Nosler BT's over 57 grains of IMR4350 for a couple of decades. I get such tight groups that I never had a reason to look for another load.

ArchAngelCD
February 8, 2012, 04:46 AM
165/168gr bullet I charge 57.0gr H4350. I go a little less with IMR4350.

mbopp
February 8, 2012, 10:19 AM
Another vote for IMR 4350, shoots under 1 MOA with a Remy 760 pump.

RevGeo
February 8, 2012, 10:58 AM
I'm a big fan of Hodgdon H380 powder. For 165gr I use 55gr and for the 150gr I use 58gr. Obviously both loads should be reduced and worked up in your rifle.

TGReaper
February 8, 2012, 12:34 PM
I am a big fan off IMR 4350 in the 30-06. My long time standard has been a 150 gr, either Sierra or lately Hornady SSTahead of a compressed load of IMR 4350.
The load is no longer listed by Lyman but at one time it was one of their "accuracy" loads.
TGR

USSR
February 8, 2012, 12:35 PM
Since all my .30-06 loads using the light 150 - 168gr bullets are for use in my Garands, surplus IMR4895 is my powder.

Don

4kdave
February 8, 2012, 12:58 PM
+1 for IMR4350 Have used it for 45 yrs hunting Elk with Speer 165 gr. BT's
Must brag a little here in that over those years only lost one Elk and it was my fault for poor shot placement

Kachok
February 8, 2012, 01:59 PM
What ar your thoughts on IMR 4350 and H4350, my hodgdon manual shows the H4350 running near identical performance with 8,000 less psi pressure. Is H4350 a little slower burning then the IMR?

ArchAngelCD
February 9, 2012, 04:54 AM
What ar your thoughts on IMR 4350 and H4350, my hodgdon manual shows the H4350 running near identical performance with 8,000 less psi pressure. Is H4350 a little slower burning then the IMR?
Check your data more closely. The Hodgdon load data shows H4350 pressure is listed in CUP and IMR4350 pressure is listed in PSI. They may be much closer than you think although there is no real way to convert one to the other for an exact comparison.

Kachok
February 20, 2012, 09:30 PM
I found what it likes, I tried the classic 57gr H4350 but it was all over the place, backed down to 56gr and it tightend up like magic. 3/4" at 100yds is not bad at all for my first trip to the range. I love Savages :D I am going to play with RL22 and SSTs/BTs and see if I can tighten it up to the half inch range before I do any mass loadings.

sage5907
February 20, 2012, 10:36 PM
Kachok, I also shoot 57 grains of IMR 4350 with both the 150 and 165 grain boattails for hunting. A really accurate load that hasn't been mentioned is 51 grains of IMR 4064 with a 150 grain boattail. Although I'm not bothered by recoil, the recoil seems to be somewhat less than with the IMR 4350. BW

gamestalker
February 21, 2012, 03:46 AM
RL19 and IMR-4350 have always been winners for me. I actually ended up sticking to RL19 because it had the velocity and accuracy nailed.

BBDartCA
February 21, 2012, 09:44 AM
Another vote for IMR 4350, shoots under 1 MOA with a Remy 760 pump.
Same powder here and with same gun!

Second choice would be IMR4064 then IMR4895.

Kevin Rohrer
February 21, 2012, 11:42 AM
46.5gr of 4895 and a 147-150gr FMJBT for my Garands and 03A3.

MAG-63
February 21, 2012, 09:53 PM
47 grains of IMR 4895 has given me excellent results in my 1903A3.

Michael R.
February 21, 2012, 09:54 PM
I use 50 grains of IMR 4064 with a 150 grain Hornady Interlock and get great groups with that load. YMMV

Kachok
February 21, 2012, 10:18 PM
I sould have grabed a pound of 4064 while I was across the bay, but I do have RL19 which is supposed to be really good for the 150gr bullets. Nosler lists RL19 to be the most accurate powder they tested with 150s, and amongst the fastest too. I have some 150 Accutips, I don't know if they will top what I have done with 165gr SGKs but if they do I won't be afraid to use them on these smallish South Alabama/Florida deer, I could drive 125s through these tiny 120-160lbs things we have here. I am not griping though, we get high limits and they are easy to drag out of the woods.

FM12
February 21, 2012, 11:35 PM
IMR 4350. Thank me later.

PapaGeno21
February 22, 2012, 11:26 AM
168g Hornady A-max, 56g H4350, CCI LR Primer

Works well for me.

sage5907
February 22, 2012, 06:19 PM
I've been seeing some reteric on highroad about H380 with a 150 grain bullet. I remember someone from Idaho who liked preferred H380. I'd be interested to know if anyone can elaborate further how well H380 performs? BW

Kachok
February 23, 2012, 05:38 AM
I am intrested to see how this RL22 performs, when I worked up to max load I realized that it is not the max for pressure, it is as much as the case will possably hold, just fill to the brim and pack it down with the bullet LOL, that is some S>>>L>>>O>>>W burning powder, but according to Nosler with a compressed load (63gr!) it can drive a 168gr BT to over 3000fps, that is nipping at the heels of the 300 magnums!! But the real question is will it group worth a darn, all the speed and trajectory in the world won't do you a bit of good if you cannot place it where you want it.

ArchAngelCD
February 23, 2012, 05:51 AM
I sould have grabed a pound of 4064 while I was across the bay, but I do have RL19 which is supposed to be really good for the 150gr bullets. Nosler lists RL19 to be the most accurate powder they tested with 150s, and amongst the fastest too. I have some 150 Accutips, I don't know if they will top what I have done with 165gr SGKs but if they do I won't be afraid to use them on these smallish South Alabama/Florida deer, I could drive 125s through these tiny 120-160lbs things we have here. I am not griping though, we get high limits and they are easy to drag out of the woods.
Like I said above, I really like H4350 but IMR4064 is known to be a very accurate powder in the 30-06. You will be happy with the results from both. (and 4895 or AA2495 or AA2520) All are also good for loading ammo used in the M1 Garand except for 4350...

USSR
February 23, 2012, 01:07 PM
Kachok,

While you can use RL22 with light .30 caliber bullets like the 168's, RL22 doesn't really begin to shine until you get up to 180gr bullets. With the light bullets you will do better with a 4350 burn rate powder. Just MHO.

Don

Kachok
February 23, 2012, 01:48 PM
Kachok,

While you can use RL22 with light .30 caliber bullets like the 168's, RL22 doesn't really begin to shine until you get up to 180gr bullets. With the light bullets you will do better with a 4350 burn rate powder. Just MHO.

Don
Mind you I am new to 06 loading but Nosler does list RL22 as the fastest powder for the 165gr, I think you are right, that is an awful slow burning powder to be using with a 165 especaly in a 22" tube, but it is supposed to be the fastest so I am going to give it a try, mind you I don't need 3k fps with that heavy a bullet, but then again I really don't even need regular 30-06 power around here either. I just want it :D Who knows mabey my buddie in Colorado might get enough time off next season to take me on an elk hunt, I stay ready just in case. I see the 06 as being a massive overkill on deer, my little sissy kicker 6.5x55 puts them down like God smacked them with a sledgehammer.

USSR
February 23, 2012, 02:33 PM
Kachok,

I have no idea where you are getting that load data from. Most load manuals don't list RL22 for 165gr bullets in .30-06, as it's just too slow. Here is Nosler's online load data, and as you can see, RL22 (or any other powder that slow) is not shown.

http://www.nosler.com/Reloading-Data/30-06-Springfield-165-Grains.aspx

Don

Kachok
February 23, 2012, 03:43 PM
Kachok,

I have no idea where you are getting that load data from. Most load manuals don't list RL22 for 165gr bullets in .30-06, as it's just too slow. Here is Nosler's online load data, and as you can see, RL22 (or any other powder that slow) is not shown.

http://www.nosler.com/Reloading-Data/30-06-Springfield-165-Grains.aspx

Don
Get the Nosler #6 manual, it lists it there.
59gr 2812fps 107% load
61gr 2907fps 110% load
63gr 3002fps 114% load
Sure it is slow burning but with compressed loads like that it is sure to get something moving hella fast :D
It will supprise you but RL22 is also a top powder for my 6.5x55...go figure.
With that much slow burning powder in a 22" tube I am going to double up my hearing protection, I would imagine that would have quite the muzzle blast. If I want mild manners I'll shoot my Sweed, it sounds like a 22mag and kicks like a 243.

USSR
February 23, 2012, 08:31 PM
It will supprise you but RL22 is also a top powder for my 6.5x55...go figure.

Doesn't surprise me at all. The 6.5x55 is a slightly overbore cartridge, and I use RL22 in my 6.5x55 with the heavy for caliber 139-142gr bullets. Would I use it for a 100gr bullet? No, a faster powder would be better suited. That's the point I'm trying to get across to you. I use RL22 in my .30-06, but it's with 190gr Sierra MatchKings.

Don

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