looking for a hog rifle.


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tonytuna
February 8, 2012, 09:52 PM
im looking for a rifle mainly for hog hunting. i cant afford much. if possible 350 or less, used guns okay too
any ideas?

saw a mosin-nagant in 7.62x54r for 109 on budsgunshop.com, would that be a good rifle for hogs?

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xxxleafybugxxx
February 8, 2012, 09:53 PM
If I had to hunt on a dime, that is the gun I would use. The gun is accurate. With mine, I can get very decent groupings with milsurp ammo. Great hunting round too. I'd say go with the Mosin!

allaroundhunter
February 8, 2012, 09:56 PM
I would say to look at Savage's line of entry rifles. They are typically around $300 to start with (new) and can be had in many hog calibers.

Here (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_62_974/products_id/70946/Savage+AXIS+308) is a good start, and only $283 before the FFL transfer fee

rcmodel
February 8, 2012, 10:03 PM
A used Marlin 336 or Winchester 94 30-30 carbine would fit the bill perfectly.

But before someone comes along and says a 30-30 lever-action isn't enough gun for a hog.
I say they haven't ever shot one.

A 4' foot long Mil-Sup Mosen-Nagant with a 300 yard battle sight zero probably has it's place.

But hog hunting in the brush, or operating out of pick-up truck or ATV ain't one of them!

rc

BIGBANG
February 8, 2012, 10:05 PM
Mosins are perfect pig rifles, you can shoot 'em anywhere from 5 to 500 yards if your a good shot. Then if they get close you can stick with the 2 foot bayonet! Plus if it gets messed up or anything who cares! It's just a mosin, not like there isn't a 100,000,000 more right!

I've taken 3 hogs with my 91/30, all where drt's I laugh cause my buddy always takes his "custom" rem 700, I brought my mosin just because he was talking fecal matter and I got the only hog that weekend. It'll definitely work if you do your part.

mgkdrgn
February 8, 2012, 10:15 PM
oh mah gawd yess ... and leave the bayonet attached ... just in case.

seriously, that will make for a great hog gun .. I've sold plenty to guys around that do just that with them.

Jackal
February 8, 2012, 10:20 PM
Do yourself a favor and buy a gun intended for shooting animals. Any lever action, bolt action, pump, semi auto will work, so long as the caliber is up to the task. Tons of cheap .308's, 3006's and 30-30's are available at gun shops, new, used, wood, plastic, etc. Or just go to Walmart and buy a new 30-30 for $300. Done, problem solved.:) The Mosin is a good rifle, just dont fall into the Mosin-money-pit. $100 rifle, then your gonna "need" a $100 stock, $100 scope mount/bent bolt handle, $100 scope/sights, etc. Its not hard to end up with a $400 Mosin thats worth $100.

230therapy
February 8, 2012, 10:28 PM
What about good old 30-30?

ApacheCoTodd
February 8, 2012, 10:34 PM
SKS?

snakeman
February 8, 2012, 10:35 PM
used marlin 30/30

peptoe
February 8, 2012, 10:43 PM
I always see used Remington 760's at my local GS rangin from $200-350. The pice varies on condition ussually. The 30-30 in Marlin and Win are great deal as well. You should be able to buy a nice rifle (possibly scoped) off the used rack for well within that price range with some shopping.

I just scored a slghtly used Marlin XL7 with box in 30-06 for $230 there.

Tomcat47
February 8, 2012, 10:48 PM
30-30 Marlin will do the job for sure.... good choice...Here are a few more!

And I Like a Marlin .44 mag lever action as well! It is a very good hog gun. These can be pricey, therefore Look at a Rossi .44 Lever Gun M92 - It will be in your price range. And they are good rifles! A Friend has the .357

I had some friends that had Marlin camp 45...they are nice but pricey now a days!

Now if you are not set on a rifle.....below is one of favorites for the hogs! Actually making me want to go hog huntin! :)

Its A Taurus 608

MJD
February 8, 2012, 11:01 PM
The length of the Mosin is a detriment to the type of country I typically hog hunt, plus RC correctly states that they are pretty long for transportation. If you are set on using the 7.62x54R, a M-44 length Mosin would be your better bet.

That said, the good 'ole .30-30 is hard to beat for quick target acquisition, easy follow-up shots on multiple piggies, portability, and general hog medicine.

TexasPatriot.308
February 8, 2012, 11:25 PM
until you actually go out and hunt hogs, you will not find the ideal rifle for you, for me it is the rifle that catches my eye when I open my safe, anything from a .17hmr to a .308 in different configurations to REVOLVERS, not semi autos for the job. are you gonna be in brush at close range, shooting in senderos at hundreds of yards, you got to find out for yourself, forget about askking "experts with their own agendas" on a chat room.

CmdrSlander
February 9, 2012, 12:26 AM
The Savage Hog Hunter:

Cheap, accurate, durable and even sports a threaded barrel for stealthy hog poppin'

https://s3.amazonaws.com/savagefiles/firearms/models/610/k9n4A478j_8P0556tI1.png

Available in .223 Rem, .308 Win and .338 Win.

allaroundhunter
February 9, 2012, 12:29 AM
^^we have a winner

MachIVshooter
February 9, 2012, 12:30 AM
If only the old Remington 600's hadn't recently become gold......

I'm with RC model. Hogs typically get shot close-in, and the .30-30 has more than enough oomph to get the job done. They're light, fast handling rifles.

If you do opt for a mosin, I'd look for a 91/38 carbine. Much more manueverable than the doubles-as-a-crutch version

CmdrSlander
February 9, 2012, 12:34 AM
^^we have a winner
Thanks, the MSRP is $513, but dealers get it for $358 and the street price looks to be around $440. I don't hunt hogs but I might pick the .223 model, looks like a good truck gun. The barrel is medium profile and short so it should be quite rigid and balanced.

xxxleafybugxxx
February 9, 2012, 12:45 AM
I think you had it right the first time... the mosin is great. Don't buy into the fact that you NEED a scope. I've never hunted hogs, so I cannot say for sure, but they don't seem to spook easy... I could be wrong, but from what I understand, its not hard to get close for a good shot.
I not only am a fan of cheap guns, but also military rifles. You DONT need to change the stock, or get a scope. The Mosin is a great gun. If you bought the gun for roughly 100, you have that much more money for ammo.

allaroundhunter
February 9, 2012, 12:51 AM
its not hard to get close for a good shot.

Hogs are all different, most are very skittish if they sense that you are there, some also go nocturnal quickly. Out on the farm that meant that we needed to mount a NV scope...couldn't have done that with a Mosin (not easily at least)

There are many better guns for the job than a Mosin, while it has its place, hunting hogs is rarely it. I would not like trying to use a gun of that length to hunt much of anything to be honest.

Also, I don't know what type of shots the OP will be taking on the hogs, out to 200 yards, I prefer to take head/neck shots to anchor them on the spot, the Mosin does not have the accuracy for that...

Don't let a bias of military rifles lead you towards making a poor recommendation...

shiftyer1
February 9, 2012, 12:55 AM
A mosin is good for hogs, I prefer the carbine with an aftermarket stock. The lop just doesn't suit me at all with out a new stock. I normally use my 30-30 lever because it's always in the truck.

I like the looks of that savage posted earlier, i'm a sucker for carbines.

pikid89
February 9, 2012, 12:56 AM
favorite hog gun? .22 magnum of just about any flavor

my favorite was my Marlin 25MN

wrs840
February 9, 2012, 01:07 AM
I think a 336 Marlin in .35 Remington is a good choice. I bought my 1973 mfg one in a pawn shop with an old Redfield 3-9x30 on it for $239 about three years ago. I took the Redfield off and replaced it with a Weaver Classic 1-3x20.

tonytuna
February 9, 2012, 01:11 AM
i dont need a scope to hunt. where i go hunting a brush gun is needed. the only open areas are by the deer blinds but theyre close enough to use open sights which is preferred. i know of a few people that hunt hogs year round and all they use is a 30/30.
i already have a remington 742, 30-06 and a astra 44 magnum with a 6 inch barrel.
but the fact that the mosin nagant has a bayonet and is an old military gun is a huge plus for me.

tonytuna
February 9, 2012, 01:13 AM
I think a 336 Marlin in .35 Remington is a good choice. I bought my 1973 mfg one in a pawn shop with an old Redfield 3-9x30 on it for $239 about three years ago. I took the Redfield off and replaced it with a Weaver Classic 1-3x20.
that was another choice of mine. i saw it online but havent heard much of it.

allaroundhunter
February 9, 2012, 01:15 AM
where i go hunting a brush gun is needed.

This means a Mosin Nagant is a huge no for you. It is by no means a brush gun. Even though the carbine might be good if you are shooting from a blind, if you are on the ground with them you will want the capability to get some quick follow up shots. Follow along with what the other people you know are doing and get a good lever action

A bayonet will do you no good. If you want to stick a hog with a blade then go hog dogging and use a 7" combat knife to stab one behind the shoulder while the dogs have it at bay

Black Horse
February 9, 2012, 01:17 AM
I shoot .44 Mag 1894 Marlin and and a Ruger RedHawk in .44 too. Have a ghost sight on the carbine and it's real fast. Loves 240 gr. Winchester White Box. About to start reloading as this ammo is pretty pricey. Short rifles are great...Marlin 336 is great hog medicine, if you do your part. Ammo for .30-.30 is pretty cheap if you shop.

Good Luck.

Hellifino
February 9, 2012, 01:44 AM
+ 2 on the 35 rem. can't beat a 35 rem out to 200 yds

230therapy
February 9, 2012, 02:24 PM
Savage Hog Hunter: $418 at Bud's Gun Shop

$418!! :what:

Dr. Sandman
February 9, 2012, 02:36 PM
I shot my first wild hog with an SKS. The second one was with a PT1911. I took my 7mm Rem Mag Weatherby on my last trip and I didn't see any wild hogs, so don't hunt with that. Mosin has real potential for a good wild hog gun. As with any hunting trip, practice with your gun before you go. Good Luck!

Adam123
February 9, 2012, 02:44 PM
If you can hunt hogs with military spam can ammo (FMJ, mostly steel core), nothing will deliver the same punch as a Mosin for anywhere near the cost. Mosin Nagants can be very accurate as well. I'd be willing to bet that most people trashing Mosin accuracy aren't very skilled and that's where most of their accuracy is lost.

allaroundhunter
February 9, 2012, 03:27 PM
I'd be willing to bet that most people trashing Mosin accuracy aren't very skilled and that's where most of their accuracy is lost.

Regardless of the accuracy that the Mosin is capable of, it will never be a brush gun (unless maybe you bubba the heck outta one). That is what the OP has just said that he needs.

flashhole
February 9, 2012, 09:34 PM
You can pick up a lightly used Marlin Guide Gun in 45-70 for the money you are looking to spend. Accurate and powerful and handy in tight cover.

Encoreman
February 9, 2012, 10:35 PM
Wrap your hands around a Hi-Point carbine either a 4095 .40 cal or 4595 .45ACP. Plenty cheap enough and plenty short for brush hunting. It will become your all around plinking, self-defense, hog weapon. Try it you won't believe it!!

tonytuna
February 10, 2012, 04:15 PM
Will a .45 work as god as a 30/30?

biohazurd
February 10, 2012, 05:48 PM
I usually use an AK-47 for hog hunting.( I normally hunt hogs well within 70-100 yards) But i always bring a some type of bolt of a more powerful caliber incase i see hogzilla lol. Usually stays on the atv though.


edit: Check out the marlin xl7s or the savage axis. those would be in your range for a value bolt rifle.

allaroundhunter
February 10, 2012, 06:55 PM
Will a .45 work as god as a 30/30?

Never for that type of work, except on much smaller pigs (under 60 lbs). A well placed shot in the head or neck with a .45 will drop a hog larger in its tracks, but for close quarters hog work I would prefer a rifle that will do considerably more damage.

For a back up gun, I will take a .45, never for a primary if I am in the brush and might walk up and surprise a pig...

MYREDTAIL
February 10, 2012, 07:01 PM
The Savage/Stevens sells for less than $300.00 bucks in cal 243. 223. 308. etc & you can throw a nice BSA scope on it for less than $100.00 bucks also. & you ready for any Hogs with that setup.?

Gordon
February 11, 2012, 12:03 AM
"If only the old Remington 600's hadn't recently become gold......"
Only made two years in .35 REM which is about perfect for wild Boaring in Monterey county!
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i203/gordonhulme/026.jpg

These old .44mag Ruger Carbines are good to half the .35rem 600 range
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i203/gordonhulme/025-1.jpg


In your price range finding a used Marlin 336 in .35 Rem for $250 or so makes alot of sense!

tonytuna
February 11, 2012, 02:57 AM
"If only the old Remington 600's hadn't recently become gold......"
Only made two years in .35 REM which is about perfect for wild Boaring in Monterey county!
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i203/gordonhulme/026.jpg

These old .44mag Ruger Carbines are good to half the .35rem 600 range
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i203/gordonhulme/025-1.jpg


In your price range finding a used Marlin 336 in .35 Rem for $250 or so makes alot of sense!
a good marlin 336 would be great to get. if i can find one for 250 it would be awesome, then i could get the mosin nagant to.. jus for fun.
but a marlin 336 used usually runs about 20 or 30 dollars cheaper than a new would.
any idea where i could find one? maybe online?

tonytuna
February 11, 2012, 03:00 AM
i forgot to say..... iron sights PREFERRED please. i have a rifle with a scope, i want something that would be quicker for me to line up.. most shots would be under 100 yards

tahoe2
February 11, 2012, 03:17 AM
All wonderful suggestions. Surplus mauser(8mm) will work too!! about $200 bucks, spend the rest on ammo and practice.
I put a "Mojo" (ghost ring) sight on mine. love it! 3" groups @ 100 yds. great visual on close in targets too!

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Gordon
February 11, 2012, 03:54 AM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=273275185
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=273274717

Theres two if you hurry. There are ALLWAYS more when you are truly READY!:D

JShirley
February 11, 2012, 07:08 AM
The 7.62x54mm delivers .308 power for cheap, but it's not a good hunting gun. That would require an actual, usable safety. :rolleyes:

You could even likely find a Handi-Rifle for $200, possibly even new. Light, good-handling, single-shot, but accurate enough for your needs. Unlike the M-N's abomination, you just cock the HR before firing. Quick, simple, and easy.

John

kenken
February 11, 2012, 10:17 AM
I would also say to find you a used Marlin 45-70 and go get 'em. That is what I use and it is perfect here in the piney woods of east Texas. 18" bbl with 405gr ammo and a ghost ring sight is the only way to go.

kenken

allaroundhunter
February 11, 2012, 02:06 PM
i forgot to say..... iron sights PREFERRED please. i have a rifle with a scope, i want something that would be quicker for me to line up.. most shots would be under 100 yards

Tony.....everything that you have said make a lever gun the PERFECT gun for what you are asking. Whether it be .30-30, .45-70, anything of a decent caliber (.357 Mag+) will work great.

BBDartCA
February 11, 2012, 05:24 PM
i forgot to say..... iron sights PREFERRED please. i have a rifle with a scope, i want something that would be quicker for me to line up.. most shots would be under 100 yards
M1A would be perfect. Unless you are hunting Texas style then a 22 LR pistol will be fine.

allaroundhunter
February 11, 2012, 05:33 PM
M1A would be perfect. Unless you are hunting Texas style then a 22 LR pistol will be fine.

Not quite.....OP said he only wanted to spend $350. Last I checked M1A's were $1,350....

Panzercat
February 11, 2012, 06:20 PM
If mobility isn't a concern, then sure, why not a mousin? Set it up, knock 'em down. If it is, you can't beat a lever gun. It's lighter in most configurations and its also a self contained package; No silly stripper clips to deal with. Plenty of used marlins out there. Mossberg 464s are cheap. It's tough to go wrong if you can spring the cash in the $300 range. Used 45-70s seem to be falling from the sky on Backpage.com.

But shooting on a budget? Mousin.

dirtengineer
February 11, 2012, 06:45 PM
Will a .45 work as god as a 30/30?
No.

rori
February 11, 2012, 07:41 PM
As a lot have already said a 30/30 will work just fine and I have shot hogs with one. Something that hasn't been mentioned is the shot gun with slugs or buckshot. I have a Remington 870 with a 20" sighted barrel that is great for shots up to 100 yards and it has killed a LOT of game for me, from pheasants and grouse to deer and bear. Big hole in and big hole out!!!! Massive damage inside!!!!Try it you will like it. If you get one of the inexpensive ones that come with the modified choke tube you'll have money left over for the slug barrel and have 2 guns in one. FRJ

tahoe2
February 11, 2012, 10:06 PM
good point rori! you can't argue with a slug gun(12 or 20), that's a lotta lead !

451 Detonics
February 11, 2012, 10:53 PM
My favorite hog gun is my Hakim, sadly nice ones are no longer 80 bucks...they are up around $500 for s decent gun. But 10 rounds of 8X57 soft points in a semi-auto with the recoil of a .243 makes herd thinning real easy...

BBDartCA
February 12, 2012, 03:08 AM
Not quite.....OP said he only wanted to spend $350. Last I checked M1A's were $1,350....
His 742 30-06 is perfect for hogs if he still has the iron sights on it.

tonytuna
February 13, 2012, 10:17 PM
the sights are still on it.
but i would honesty like a lighter rifle to carry in the woods. ive done it with that one and not comfortable at all.

Abel
February 14, 2012, 02:06 AM
the sights are still on it.
but i would honesty like a lighter rifle to carry in the woods. ive done it with that one and not comfortable at all.

Another idea is to have the barrel shortened to 18" on the 742. That would be within your budget and then some. I would go for a 30-30 lever action of you don't want to shorten your 742.

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February 14, 2012, 06:40 AM
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Superdave70_02
February 14, 2012, 11:44 AM
My suggestion would be a K-31 or k-11 carbine Schmitt Rubin. They are 7.5x55 and are tack drivers. The gp-11 ammo is around .50/round and soft point wolf ammo can be found fairly cheap too.

Last spring I took a Corsican ram at 250 yards with open sights and he was DRT! Left a hole about the diameter of a golf ball clean through using gp-11 174 grain fmjbt.

They can be bought for usually $300 or less from a few suppliers.

SEE IT LIKE A NATIVE
February 14, 2012, 02:38 PM
I think the shotgun is your best and lowest cost option ! If you want you can add a red dot sight ! Kevin

nathan
February 14, 2012, 02:40 PM
Saiga .308 , handy with a lot of punch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CelTt3Gu6Hk&feature=related

allaroundhunter
February 14, 2012, 05:07 PM
Saiga .308 , handy with a lot of punch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CelTt3Gu6Hk&feature=related

Again, look at what the OP's budget is...

tonytuna
February 14, 2012, 10:16 PM
I saw the saiga .308 and the 12gauge but out of my range for now.
Found a winchester model 94, 30-30, for $350..... is that a good price for it?

peptoe
February 14, 2012, 10:48 PM
Seams a bit high depending on condition and year. If it's a post 64 version it should be in perfect condition. It seems a little high to me but they are ussually pretty cheap around here.

Also look for Remington 760 pump actions. They could be pretty cheap on the used market and are great game killers. The foolow up shot would come fast and furious.

tonytuna
February 14, 2012, 11:46 PM
Were I saw it there was two 94s. One with the scope for $599 and without for $350. Both in great condition, just needs a quick clean when I looked down the barrel.
Looked online and saw them go at random prices from 270 and up. But after shipping and ffl fees its about the same.
As for 760s I've been looking but haven't found in my range. They've been around 450... for 742 also

tahoe2
February 15, 2012, 12:25 AM
nuthin wrong with a .30-30 ! light, handy, powerful, just what you need. $350 seems reasonable, if in good shape !

allaroundhunter
February 15, 2012, 01:49 PM
$350 is definitely a reasonable price on a gun that will do everything you ask of it. If you get it you will be very pleased, let us know how it works out!

armysniper
February 15, 2012, 10:04 PM
Marlin 30-30....All the way,

lefteyedom
February 16, 2012, 02:34 AM
cheapest used 30.06/270 you can get your hands on.
Have your local smith chop and crown the barrel at 17"-20 inchs
and fit a recoil pad and length of pull for you.
Get a high vis aiming system. (red dot, glowing front sight, bright low power scope what ever you like)
add a sling and you are set.
(and a can of camo-paint if you like)

Finprof
February 16, 2012, 11:27 AM
In your February 9 message you say that you have a Remington 742 in 30/06. That would be about as good a hog gun as I could think of. I use a BAR in 30/06 with a low power variable scope. There are two reasons: (1) hogs often run in packs (sounders) and you often get a chance at a double or triple if you can shoot fast enough. One of my buddies killed 8 out of a group. (2) where I hunt there is thick brush and old rice fields and swamps nearby. The hog is either dead right there or lost.
Since you have a perfect gun, I would look for a Leupold low power variable if you don't already. Hogs like low light or darkness. The outfitter I go with doen't care about your gun but is very picky on scopes.

henschman
February 16, 2012, 04:27 PM
I'd say a used Remington 700 or Savage 110 from a pawn shop/gun show/armslist would be a great hog rifle, and you could probably find one in your budget with scope and all. Any of the calibers they come in would work fine on hogs.

If you are wanting to stick to brand new rifles, with that budget, I'd get a Stevens 200 and slap a scope on it. The 200 is the budget version of the Savage 110, and all the parts interchange in case you want to upgrade in the future.

kfgk14
February 16, 2012, 04:39 PM
The Mosin is a good option, as is the SKS.
Consider both, the SKS gives you quicker follow-up shots.

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
February 16, 2012, 06:07 PM
I guess no one has noticed that the OP has stated they want a LIGHT rifle. That statement in itself knocks the Mosin out of the running. OP also stated faster target acquisition for followup. Again, Mosin off the list.

Tony, a .30/30 Lever is about the perfect hog rifle in existence for your price range. Plenty of power for even the biggest of hogs, light, fast follow up opportunities, and if you shop around, fairly cheap. Just practice with it from OFF HAND and other field shooting positions and exercise good judgement on shot placement and you will be more than happy with a good .30/30 lever gun. Old Mosin's have their place and in SOME cases would be fine for hog hunting. But after having hunted hogs for 40+ years and with literally hundreds and hundreds of hogs under my belt, I can honestly tell you that normal hog hunting is NOT one of those cases.

CCCP
February 16, 2012, 06:27 PM
Have a look on yugo SKS. It fits your budget and allows quick follow up shots.

igousigloo
February 16, 2012, 09:46 PM
Just buy the short barreled Mosin and don't look back!

lefteyedom
February 17, 2012, 02:45 AM
Remington model 7 Synthietic in ether 260 Remington, 7-08, or 308.
Top off with a good bright light scope and sling and you are done shopping.

Longrifle2506
February 17, 2012, 03:15 AM
I'd go Marlin XL7 in that price range. Good Trigger, and Marlin's have always been accurate. The only other option you should consider is a Remington model 700 ADL; in whatever caliber you want.

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