Cabelas just called me, they want the SKS I bought back.


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Gasitman
February 9, 2012, 11:34 PM
Some guy just called and said that they wanted all people that bought an SKS from them, (the one I got for $199) back. They said do not fire it, as it is a demilitarized firearm. *** does that mean? Will this bad boy go full auto? If so, I dam sure am not taking it back. I already put 200 rounds through it.

He said that I would get a letter in the mail, and he could not go into great details, but I needed to get it back to them ASAP. Anyone else get a phone call? When I get the letter, I will post it up on here. This is strange to say the least.

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mshootnit
February 9, 2012, 11:37 PM
strange!.....:confused:

WardenWolf
February 9, 2012, 11:39 PM
It means it's been modified so as to be non-functional or not safe to shoot. In essence turning it into a wall hanger. This generally means permanent damage to the receiver. Yours is probably fine, but they may have gotten a few that weren't. There was also a case several years back of Norinco SKS's slamfiring due to free-floating firing pins. They recalled them all and added a return spring to prevent this. It's possible you may just have an unmodified Norinco.

If it "could" go full auto, you better send it back. They already have your name, address, and phone number. And I guarantee you the ATF will come knocking.

billdeserthills
February 9, 2012, 11:42 PM
Demiliterized usually means the gun was altered in some way to keep it from firing, maybe they're afraid that yours can actually shoot off a round?

Gasitman
February 9, 2012, 11:44 PM
Like I said, I already put 200 rounds through it with no issues. IDK, I guess I will take it back, but they need to replace it with the same, and not charge me extra. It is not a norinco, it is a yugo from 1987.

xxxleafybugxxx
February 9, 2012, 11:45 PM
If I were you, I'd take it back, and see if you can't get something extra for your troubles. If not, get a gun you know will be safe to shoot. Its not like they wan't it back because they're rare. Be smart about it

Gasitman
February 9, 2012, 11:56 PM
What bothers me the most is, they still have all my info from a gun I bought 5 months ago. What else are they tracking? Should I pull out my tinfoil hat?

Bentley4700
February 10, 2012, 12:00 AM
What bothers me the most is, they still have all my info from a gun I bought 5 months ago. What else are they tracking? Should I pull out my tinfoil hat?

FFL's are required to hold all records for 20 years. You better have a lot of foil hats.

Positivity
February 10, 2012, 12:00 AM
@Gasitman

Don't forget to start scanning the airwaves for military chatter.

nathan
February 10, 2012, 12:06 AM
Any pic of the SKs?

Gasitman
February 10, 2012, 12:07 AM
The store just called me back, apparently some of the sks's had a hole drilled into the receiver and was making it unsafe. He said that the calls were going out from corporate, and what they should of been saying is call the store before you make the trip. Mine is fine, and all is good. Seems to me the jackass at corporate needs to pull his head out of his ass and do his job right. I will still get a letter, so I will bump this thread then and post it, but for now, all is good.

Gasitman
February 10, 2012, 12:08 AM
Any pic of the SKs?
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=622339

Onmilo
February 10, 2012, 12:09 AM
How many did they sell?
I think they may have underpriced them and are trying to get them back for resale at the right price at another store that they wil ship them to.
You DON'T have to return the rifle.
If it is an ATF glitch, let them come and tell you.
If the rifle is really "demilled" have a gunsmith check it out and see if that is the case, I kind of doubt that since you said you fired 200 rounds and I am assuming you still have your face and eyeballs,,,
(Actually ATF usually sends out a letter first if there is an import dispute.
They did this with a firm that sold several dozen unaltered Russian Tokarev pistols a few years back.
If you returned the pistol to the company, By law they gave your money back, if you elected to try and keep the pistol, ATF came a knockin' with a seizure letter and receipt.)
eta: $200 LOST MAY BE A GAMBLE TO TAKE.

psyopspec
February 10, 2012, 12:10 AM
... n/m, Bently beat me to it.

arizona98tj
February 10, 2012, 12:17 AM
What bothers me the most is, they still have all my info from a gun I bought 5 months ago. What else are they tracking? Should I pull out my tinfoil hat?

What doesn't make sense is why would you purchase a firearm from a FFL knowing you have to provide all of that info? :confused: Depending on the state you live in, a private sale might eliminate that....or it may not.

theicemanmpls
February 10, 2012, 12:18 AM
"Seems to me the jackass at corporate needs to pull his head out of his ass and do his job right."

Well put.

If they want you and the gun at the store, talk to a manager, and let him know how upset you and your your wife were about this. You know, the potential KB? He will make things right with free b's.

MrSpiffy
February 10, 2012, 12:45 AM
"Seems to me the jackass at corporate needs to pull his head out of his ass and do his job right."

Your quote above does not represent "the high road" we strive for on this forum. You have a right to be a bit upset about this. But nothing happened, so no harm, no foul. Relax and enjoy your new gun. No need to ream anyone out over this. Besides, how would YOU feel if YOU were the guy in charge of stuff, and you made a mistake that let a handful of possibly-dangerous firearms slip into the unsuspecting hands of the public? Everyone's human. The guy probably just panicked and told them to call everyone back to the store for inspection, and the story got garbled, as it usually does when passed on from person to person. Like I said, just chill out. Everything's fine. No need for name-calling.

nathan
February 10, 2012, 12:52 AM
If just give full refund, tell them you want extra s for your time and hassle. The expense on gas is not to be taken lightly. Per gallon today was like $ 3.50.

briansmithwins
February 10, 2012, 03:25 AM
Tracking?

I get email ads from places I bought 1 thing from 5 years ago. Why would SG be any different?

BSW

MachIVshooter
February 10, 2012, 03:45 AM
If it's not an ATF import issue, you don't have to do anything.

Seems to me the jackass at corporate needs to pull his head out of his ass and do his job right

He's covering his/Cabela's butt. If a few dangerous rifles got sold, but they don't know which ones are which, they're going to notify everybody who bought one. Once you've been advised and made a decision to either return it or ignore the admonishment, it's now on you if the thing blows up in your face, etc.

If I found out the brand of brake rotors I've been installing were having catastrophic failures, I'd contact all the customer who's vehicles I'd installed them on and document those calls. Anyone who chose not to come in and get them swapped out assumes a known risk and all the liability that goes with it.

JohnBT
February 10, 2012, 11:05 AM
"What doesn't make sense is why would you purchase a firearm from a FFL knowing you have to provide all of that info?"

What doesn't make sense is why someone as highly suspicious as you appear to be is posting on the internet where they can keep track of you. Wouldn't you be better off to drop completely off the radar and simply disappear?

crazy4milsurps
February 10, 2012, 11:19 AM
a guy on sksboards almost had his hand blow off, they sold a bunch with holes drilled in the chamber.

http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=98975.msg1195426#msg1195426

carbine85
February 10, 2012, 11:26 AM
If the gun is ok I would keep it unless they can replace it with one that's equal. The SKS keeps going up in price.

Captains1911
February 10, 2012, 11:31 AM
What bothers me the most is, they still have all my info from a gun I bought 5 months ago. What else are they tracking? Should I pull out my tinfoil hat?

What did you think happened to all that paperwork you filled out when they transferred the gun to you?

CraigC
February 10, 2012, 11:31 AM
Seems to me the jackass at corporate needs to pull his head out of his ass and do his job right.
Why, what harm was done???

MyGreenGuns
February 10, 2012, 11:42 AM
I wonder who thought up the idea of "demilitarizing" them by making them dangerous? Couldnt they have plugged the chamber with JB weld instead of drilling holes in them?

Steel Horse Rider
February 10, 2012, 12:03 PM
"There was also a case several years back of Norinco SKS's slamfiring due to free-floating firing pins."

All SKS's have free floating firing pins, which is the only real design flaw in my opinion but that is easily remedied by sending the bolt to Murray's Guns in Bowie Texas which I highly recommend.

MtnCreek
February 10, 2012, 12:18 PM
I wonder who thought up the idea of "demilitarizing" them by making them dangerous? Couldnt they have plugged the chamber with JB weld instead of drilling holes in them?

I don't think either makes them demiled. Demilled would be cutting the receiver into 3 big pieces. Gunshop lore, so take it with a bucket of salt: I've been told firearms were imported (many moons ago) that would have been iligal weapons, except the bores/chamber were filled with lead. They were sold as demilled or something similar. Upon purchase, people would heat the barrels to remove the lead or replace the barrels. I do know that others have imported firearms that without properly demilling them; Real-Deal AK's with the bore welded.

crazy4milsurps
February 10, 2012, 12:21 PM
"There was also a case several years back of Norinco SKS's slamfiring due to free-floating firing pins."

All SKS's have free floating firing pins, which is the only real design flaw in my opinion but that is easily remedied by sending the bolt to Murray's Guns in Bowie Texas which I highly recommend.
THEY WERE NEVER INTENDED TO USE SOFT PRIMED AMMO. this issue never came about until domestic companies got in on the 7.62x39 market.

until 1951 soviet design had a spring loaded FP but it was stopped due to being unnecessary. since then a gazillion of simonov's carbines were produced without the spring loaded FB and no issue until american companies provide soft primed ammo and now all of a sudden sks are dangerous???? no it is because manufacturers pay no attention to details

Sam1911
February 10, 2012, 12:31 PM
Demilled means something very specific to the ATF (and various other entities who define such things). Drilling a large hole through the chamber is one of the ways used to create a "DEWAT" (De-activated WAr Trophy) that is officially no longer a firearm.

Cableas got a shipment of these that had been deactivated by their former owner (or whomever) and did not realize what they had. Calling and contacting everyone that MIGHT have gotten a dangerous gun is the very least they could do.

It's exactly the same situation as if they'd sold you a camp stove and a few months later they found out that there could be a defect with some of them that would cause an explosion or fire. They'd go through their sales records and contact every owner who'd bought one and get them back right away.

As for tracking you -- well, stores keep records! No surprise there. And this is one of the many reasons why. Doubly so when it is a FFL dealer, who's required by federal law to keep those records for 20 years.

Be glad they "care" enough (are corporately afraid of lawsuits enough) to protect you this way.

As for this...

*** does that mean? Will this bad boy go full auto? If so, I dam sure am not taking it back.

That would be an incredibly poor choice. Every moment you had a firearm that would "go full auto" in your possession (whether you knew it or not) you'd be guilty of a crime the punishment for which is 10 years in federal prison and a $250,000 fine. And, you'd be on record as having one of a group of weapons (that Cabelas would certainly have reported to the ATF as having this problem in an attempt to keep themselves out of trouble), and of being notified of it and willfully keeping it, and then would have announced it on a public forum. None of these are good things.

weeniewawa
February 10, 2012, 12:38 PM
I am sure that Cabelas has a computer server loaded with every sale and the info of who purchased it unless it was a cash sale for items which do not have any background checks just for advertising purposes. any large company would do that now a days to target advertise their customers

Dr T
February 10, 2012, 12:38 PM
In fairness, I believe the guy at Cabela's corporate WAS doing his job.

The recall of an item is not something to be done lightly. This whole mess likely cost Cabela's a ton of money.

Cabela's acted proactively and expeditiously by contacting BY PHONE the customers that had a possibility of being adversely affected by an item that was potentially dangerous to the user. I think that this was a case of trying to protect the customers as quickly as they could while they were also trying to figure out the extent of the damage.

Look at it this way: Would you rather get a call saying "It's our fault. We may have sold you something that might blow up, so don't use it until we have a chance to check it out."

Or, would you rather get a letter to read while you are recovering from reconstructive surgery that that says "After an exhaustive search of our records we have determined that your gun was one that was sold to you despite being unsafe to shoot. Don't use it and return it for a refund."

Think about it.

DPris
February 10, 2012, 01:58 PM
I've never heard of a Norinco SKS recall.
The Chinese SKS always had a floating firing pin, never came with the spring, to the best of my knowledge. None were recalled for a retro fit.
I got my first Norinco in '88 (genuine government surplus), subsequently bought two more ("tourist" models) in the '90s.

Since Norinco is a huge conglomerate & they were producing the later "tourist" SKS at more than one plant, and Norinco didn't sell directly or import them into the US themselves, it would have been extremely difficult to do any kind of a recall, and extremely expensive, considering the numbers of Chinese SKS rifles that were coming in to this country.
Denis

TwoEyedJack
February 10, 2012, 02:09 PM
Cabelas called and asked about my recent Yugo purchase. Luckily no hole in mine!

crazy4milsurps
February 10, 2012, 02:20 PM
I've never heard of a Norinco SKS recall.
The Chinese SKS always had a floating firing pin, never came with the spring, to the best of my knowledge. None were recalled for a retro fit.
I got my first Norinco in '88 (genuine government surplus), subsequently bought two more ("tourist" models) in the '90s.

Since Norinco is a huge conglomerate & they were producing the later "tourist" SKS at more than one plant, and Norinco didn't sell directly or import them into the US themselves, it would have been extremely difficult to do any kind of a recall, and extremely expensive, considering the numbers of Chinese SKS rifles that were coming in to this country.
Denis I couldn't imagine the cost totaled by recalling the chicom for retro-fit of a part they don't need and were not designed for. it is not the guns fault for slam fires so spending $60 to fix what ain't broke is stupid, the fault is it the American made 3 cent primer. to recall a million rifles and spend billions to "fix" them is retarded, the focus should be on the American manufacturers who failed to do their research and upgrade from a 3 cent primer to a 4 cent primer.

K1500
February 10, 2012, 02:31 PM
Some guy just called and said that they wanted all people that bought an SKS from them, (the one I got for $199) back. They said do not fire it, as it is a demilitarized firearm. *** does that mean? Will this bad boy go full auto? If so, I dam sure am not taking it back. I already put 200 rounds through it.

He said that I would get a letter in the mail, and he could not go into great details, but I needed to get it back to them ASAP. Anyone else get a phone call? When I get the letter, I will post it up on here. This is strange to say the least.


I would think the guy who 'dam sure' (sic) wants to keep the 'bad boy' if he thinks it is capable of fully automatic fire is the real jack wagon in the equation. They call you because of a legit safety concern and you are excited you may have a full auto and pissed they called. Strange.

Steel Horse Rider
February 10, 2012, 02:56 PM
It is funny how you guys blame the "domestic" munitions makers when all I ever shot in my Yugo's was the imported commie stuff. I experienced one full auto episode and that is when I discovered Murray's. No, the BATF will not come haul you off if your gun malfunctions and causes a full auto condition, although I wouldn't give them any ideas.....

Grunt
February 10, 2012, 03:23 PM
Yup, I got my call this morning about my Yugo. I am not driving the 2 hours to Sidney to have them tell me something I already know, that being my SKS is not one of the ones in question.
I think this should serve as a learning experience in that when you buy any gun in general and a used or Milsurp in particular, detail stripping and cleaning to inspect the parts for anything broken, missing or worn is the way to go. When I got my Yugo, it was covered in cosmo so I had to detail strip it to get it all out. I can't help but think that such detail stripping in this case would have revealed this problem in the first place and have prevented the minor injury that resulted from it. I'm not trying to do the Monday morning quarterback routine here since I wasn't there to see just what he did or did not do. It's entirely possible that hardened cosmoline filled that hole to the point it was missed during his inspection for all I know. In any case, I'm glad the shooter is alright and only suffered minor injuries.

denton
February 10, 2012, 04:14 PM
Cabela's does not want your gun back. They want to avoid being sued if you suffer an injury from a product that they knew, or should have known was likely to cause harm.

Be thankful for that.

Elkins45
February 10, 2012, 04:25 PM
I think if somebody sold me a hairdryer that might unintentionally shoot out a three foot jet of fire I would be happy if they called to warn me about it.

I think if somebody sold me a rifle with a hole drilled in the chamber I would be happy if they called to warn me about it...but it would have been nice if the first caller knew why he/she was calling me to ask for my rifle back. Had that been the case it would have eliminated this entire thread because post #1 would never have happened.

Sam1911
February 10, 2012, 04:28 PM
...but it would have been nice if the first caller knew why he/she was calling me to ask for my rifle back. Had that been the case it would have eliminated this entire thread because post #1 would never have happened
Seems to me the caller DID know. Or at least had been told the right thing to say. See?

They said do not fire it, as it is a demilitarized firearm.
Now, the OP didn't know what that meant, and it seems didn't ask.

But it really doesn't matter. The critical information there is DO NOT FIRE IT. Not, "hey, I wonder if it goes full-auto, heh heh?" :rolleyes:

Owen Sparks
February 10, 2012, 04:35 PM
Does it have the grenade launcher thing removed from the barrel? If so it might be cut slightly shorter than the legal 16". I have heard that this has been a problem. If it measures the legal 16" I would tell Cabelas that they can have it back when they give you a replacement and not until.

WardenWolf
February 11, 2012, 06:27 AM
Regarding the Norinco SKS recall, Century, the main importer, recalled them and did the modifications. From what I've read, the early Russian SKS's actually did have a firing pin return spring, but they removed this in later production. All foreign clones are copies of the later version.

Husker_Fan
February 11, 2012, 11:33 AM
You own it. Tell them if they want to buy it back from you, you'd be happy to sell it to them for $350.

Lincoln4
February 11, 2012, 11:58 AM
I just missed buying one of these guns, when the Lacey, WA store sold out. The gun counter guy said groups of guys were coming in and buying 5 at a time. Can't help but think a lot of those guns were for resale. Scary stuff.

mgkdrgn
February 11, 2012, 12:14 PM
What bothers me the most is, they still have all my info from a gun I bought 5 months ago. What else are they tracking? Should I pull out my tinfoil hat?
Actually, they, and every other FFL you ever deal with, will have all the info about what you bought for at least the next 20 years (by law).

Don357
February 11, 2012, 12:41 PM
It could be one that they intended to sell for $450 as a collector item that got mixed in with the batch of beaters they were going yo sell for $199, and they want their moneythey lost!

HKGuns
February 11, 2012, 12:48 PM
A few of you guys need to read at least some of the thread before posting. At least ONE of these rifles had holes drilled in the receiver and was not safe to shoot.:banghead:

Sam1911
February 11, 2012, 01:14 PM
You own it. Tell them if they want to buy it back from you, you'd be happy to sell it to them for $350.

Oh, VERY good idea. And when they tell you, "Fine,then you keep your treasured DEMILITARIZED, unsafe-to-fire, blow a hole in your hand, useless NON firearm that we sold you by accident and which mistake we are trying to rectify at our expense..." -- well, you'll feel real smug won't you?

HKGuns is right...read before you post.

bigedp51
February 11, 2012, 01:35 PM
A deactivated Enfield drill purpose rifle was sold as a wall hanger by an importer. The buyer had a gunsmith restore the welded bolt and put the Enfield up for sale at a local gun store.

The young man who bought this Enfield rifle blew the end of his thumb off the first time he fired this "re-activated" drill purpose Enfield rifle.

A new firing pin and bolt head were installed on the deactivated bolt.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/L59A1_unidentified_bolt.gif

A half inch hole had been drilled through both sides of the chamber and the rifle was still restored and fired.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/DPvent.jpg


And you wonder "WHY" you were contacted by Cabela's?????

As a side note the M1 Garand has a floating firing pin, I guess some gun enthusiasts keep their bolts clean. :rolleyes:

DPris
February 11, 2012, 02:31 PM
I don't believe Century was the main Chinese SKS importer.
None of mine were Century-marked & in their heyday those things were coming in from all over the place. :)

I'm surprised to hear that Century did any kind of recall, since the guns were what they were, did what they did, and in selling for $100 per (and less), doing a recall & retrofit would quickly have killed off any profit in the things for the company.
Illogical for them to feel there was any kind of "defect" in a military design that was widely produced, or to feel there was sufficient liability on their part to justify such an R&R.
Never heard of it.

What was the source of that info?
Denis

Dr T
February 11, 2012, 03:39 PM
The liability due to selling a demonstrably unsafe product would far greater than the profit lost from a recall. Juries tend to take a very dim view of your actions If you fail to take action knowing that a product is defective.

Remember the Ford Pinto gas tank? If not, go look it up.

Gasitman
February 11, 2012, 05:50 PM
Some of you are correct, I did not know what demilitarized meant, but I did ask, and the guy on the other end said he did not know. Also, from my local board they were called by different people, including a woman who said, please call the store asap, not return to the store asap as I was told.

The store is 70 miles each way from me, in Lacey Washington which is about 70 miles from Seattle. This entire thread is:
1: about how I was contacted, and what was said to me and to return the rifle to the store, not get checked out, not be inspected, but to return the rifle. I even asked, will it be replaced and he said he was not sure.

2: The confusion of not getting a caller ID number and wondering who was messing around.
3: The idea that they do keep info. I was always told that when an FFL calls your info in, it was not kept on file with the government, I never knew that any of it was kept a certain amount of time, especially from a store like Cabelas. So shoot me if I learned something new, but you don't have to trash my thread, or my person for not knowing about something.

Maybe we are not all as smart as you. I bet I know a few things some of you don't, like I try not to act like a <deleted> on the Internet because I can.

Sam1911
February 11, 2012, 05:55 PM
I try not to act like a <deleted> on the Internet because I can.


Good heavens, I don't think anyone accused you of doing so!

If all the questions are answered, should we close this?

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