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BP Hunter
February 10, 2012, 12:05 PM
If you were to go in an area to scout for hunting deer and/or black bear, aside from carrying a sidearm, what of the following rifles would you bring - M1 carbine, Min1 14 in .223 or a MArlin 336 in 30-30? My area is SE Washington, lots of hills and maybe some woods. Deer, black bear, coyote and maybe an occasional cougar are seen.

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joed
February 10, 2012, 12:16 PM
The .30-30, can't believe you asked. I know the .223 fans will start raving about the 75 gr bullet but no thanks, I'll take the .30-30.

Sam1911
February 10, 2012, 12:30 PM
Kind of seems the exact, perfect, precise scenario for which a lever-action .30-30 was designed.

BP Hunter
February 10, 2012, 12:56 PM
You're right. It was silly to ask. That's why I like my Marlin so much. That's the only rifle I can comfortably shoot with open sights accurately up to 200 yards.

CraigC
February 10, 2012, 01:25 PM
.30-30 without question. Have three of them but typically opt for a .44Mag instead. Hard to even find a place around here where you can see much more than 100yds in the woods. The .44 is more pleasant to shoot and one load takes care of rifle and sixgun.

mdauben
February 10, 2012, 01:29 PM
Like others, I would not hesitate to bring that 336 along.

BemidjiDweller
February 10, 2012, 03:25 PM
Edit: The 30-30 for sure.

snakeman
February 10, 2012, 03:38 PM
30-30

DM~
February 10, 2012, 04:41 PM
The .30-30, can't believe you asked. I know the .223 fans will start raving about the 75 gr bullet but no thanks, I'll take the .30-30.

You took the works right out of my mouth! lol

DM

PapaG
February 10, 2012, 04:42 PM
I'd feel quite well armed with my 336 30-30. My 94 Win from the sixties in 44 mag would be a little handier and lighter.

Hunterdad
February 10, 2012, 07:25 PM
When I hear "woods" and "gun" in the same sentence, I think a lever gun.

Cocked & Locked
February 10, 2012, 09:13 PM
From the ones you indicated, .30-30 without a doubt.

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/17383006/391613630.jpg

The .44 would be good as well as mentioned by another poster.

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/17383006/336269241.jpg

seasmoke
February 10, 2012, 09:14 PM
30-30 for all.. except the cougar.. A bottle of white wine, perhaps some smokes...

TexasPatriot.308
February 11, 2012, 12:21 AM
.444 should do it

Dmitri Popov
February 11, 2012, 12:24 AM
I'd carry the lightest one possible. Just saying.

Don357
February 11, 2012, 12:37 AM
Just to be different...... Ruger Mini-30, 7.62x39, but US built, or a .30-30 ;):neener:

FlyinBryan
February 11, 2012, 12:49 AM
45-90 sharps

blindhari
February 11, 2012, 01:02 AM
Take the 30-30 and pick up two boxes of Hornady Leverevolution ammo. Sight it in at 100yds, shoot out to 200, yds easy.

blindhari

tahoe2
February 11, 2012, 02:03 AM
.30-30 ! Washington law requires .24 caliber or larger for big game, with cougar being the exception, .22 centerfire or bigger!( .22 hornet, .223, 22-250, .222 mag etc..)
Carbine would be a little light IMO

kbbailey
February 11, 2012, 10:19 AM
except the cougar.. A bottle of white wine, perhaps some smokes...

......I get it, lol
oh and ditto on the .30-30, unless you have a carbine to match your sidearm.

Tirod
February 11, 2012, 10:30 AM
What decides the issue is whether a season is in effect, and a license involved.

To scout in MO, it's likely bow season, which starts Sept. 15. Hence the issue - a handgun and no license is not going to be what you should have "scouting." No weapon and a pair of binoculars would fly if - and it's not likely - but if you stumble into a Conservation Agent. We have our share, and they get around.

We have most of the same game, bear isn't uncommon, neither is cougar now, most are very shy. If you did see one, you'd be in some unmolested terrain for sure. They are there year round.

What is also a problem is out of season hunting - simply labeled "poaching" in court. Having the appropriate firearm and license for the game allowed on the calendar will likely be the better answer. Often, that's a shotgun for birds, or a .22 for small game.

Lever? Why not an AR15 or AK? I don't think it's going to make much difference, we see them recommended as medium game rifles all the time. The cartridges perform under similar conditions.

dprice3844444
February 11, 2012, 10:34 AM
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/76635-1.html 30-30 no one will pay attention to.

CraigC
February 11, 2012, 02:10 PM
...a handgun and no license is not going to be what you should have "scouting."
Sorry but I don't venture into the woods without a sidearm and simply being in the woods with a firearm does not constitute hunting. I'm in the woods year round, always with a firearm but only hunting when something is in season.


Why not an AR15 or AK?
Not everybody wants to hunt with an automatic.

Panzercat
February 11, 2012, 04:08 PM
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/76635-1.html 30-30 no one will pay attention to.
Oh that's kinda hot. Just saying :)

I bought my R92 in .454 as a multi purpose bush gun. Lighter + higher capacity than your average 30-30. The caliber is potent enough for most game in North America and i can revert to .45 long for anything that doesn't need a sledgehammer to kill or plinking. Just an alternative for you; albeit a harder to obtain alternative. The ammo will be a tad more expensive as well for both .45 long and casull.

PapaG
February 11, 2012, 05:48 PM
Now that I've had time to think it over, I change my choice to my old 92 Winchester that little brother and I had converted to 357 magnum waaaaay back in the 60s.

gunfreak11
February 11, 2012, 05:53 PM
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/bigbore/1895GBL.asp there are many different calibers and colors.

rori
February 11, 2012, 06:33 PM
If your just scouting why are you carrying a gun anyhow? I live in SW Washington and do a lot of scouting and never carry a gun. I do however carry my longbow for some impromptu stump shooting. I don't understand carrying any extra weight. FRJ

steveo452
February 11, 2012, 08:11 PM
My Marlin 336 in 30-30 would be a good rifle for scouting. But I would have to take my CZ 527 carbine in 7.62x39mm. It's lighter, shorter and more accurate.
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i225/fritzy1911/czs002.jpg

tahoe2
February 11, 2012, 08:12 PM
when miles from nowhere, it's always sensible to have some sort of protection from predators(2 or 4 legged). I live in western WA, and always carry, when scoutin, river fishin, campin, whatever?

bushmaster1313
February 11, 2012, 09:47 PM
In Washington you cannot hunt deer or elk or bear with a .223:

Big game, except cougar, must be hunted
with a minimum of 24 caliber (6mm) centerfire
rifle. Cougar may be hunted with 22 caliber
centerfire rifle. Rimfire rifles are not legal for
big game.

dirtengineer
February 11, 2012, 09:56 PM
30-30.

Sam Cade
February 11, 2012, 09:58 PM
Is the OP asking for a purely defensive weapon to carry while woods loafing?

If so, M1 carbine. Because its the least obtrusive of the given choices. If it was me, I would leave the pistol at home and carry a ham-on-rye sammitch instead.

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq319/DocGKR/HomecarbineWP.jpg?t=1232698319

MikePaiN
February 11, 2012, 10:08 PM
If you were to go in an area to scout for hunting deer and/or black bear, aside from carrying a sidearm, what of the following rifles would you bring - M1 carbine, Min1 14 in .223 or a MArlin 336 in 30-30? My area is SE Washington, lots of hills and maybe some woods. Deer, black bear, coyote and maybe an occasional cougar are seen.
There's on one rifle for this job....... .308win Ruger Gunsite Scout :D

http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/models.html

Okay...The CZ527 Carbine would be awesome too.....but 5 rounds of 7.62x39 vs. 10 rounds of .308win :scrutiny:

bushmaster1313
February 11, 2012, 10:39 PM
I do not hunt, but I know that this is what you want:
Model 70 FWT in .270 Win.:

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/862/cimg0529d.jpg

CraigC
February 12, 2012, 11:50 AM
I don't understand carrying any extra weight.
I can't understand NOT carrying a little extra weight. Then again, I've been in the woods way too many times and come across copperheads and rattlesnakes to wander around out there without something. Not to even mention potentially running into somebody's weed patch or crystal meth "facility". Lots and lots and lots of reasons to carry one. Zero not to. If you can't spend the day with two extra pounds on your hip, you should probably take up knitting.

Cocked & Locked
February 12, 2012, 01:31 PM
I can't understand NOT carrying a little extra weight. Then again, I've been in the woods way too many times and come across copperheads and rattlesnakes to wander around out there without something. Not to even mention potentially running into somebody's weed patch or crystal meth "facility". Lots and lots and lots of reasons to carry one. Zero not to. If you can't spend the day with two extra pounds on your hip, you should probably take up knitting.
Exactly

kbbailey
February 12, 2012, 01:40 PM
....or just carry for the fun of it. No 'reason' necessary.

jeepnik
February 12, 2012, 01:42 PM
I'll follow the herd and go with the 30-30.

But personally, I'd carry these two.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f271/Jeepnik/GUNS/IMG_0404_crop.jpg
Marlin 39 Century

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f271/Jeepnik/GUNS/HANDGUNS12-31-07-0027-1.jpg
.45 colt Blackhawk.

Geno
February 12, 2012, 01:46 PM
Of the OP's listed options, without question the .30-30 lever.

However, in light of my own experience hunting the woods (Russian boar) at about 30 feet, I too would encourage considering either the Marlin chambered in .444 Marlin, or a Marlin chambered in .45-70 Gov't. I've used both of these cartridges in an Encore pistol (15" barrel). Never needed more than 1 shot. Those chamberings actually dropped both boar faster than my Sig-Sauer 202 Safari chambered in .375 H&H Mag dropped a boar at 100 yards. Given that bear might be on the agenda, bigger is better than not quite big enough.

JMHO,

Geno

CraigC
February 12, 2012, 01:58 PM
....or just carry for the fun of it. No 'reason' necessary.
Well, that never hurts either! :)

sixgunner455
February 12, 2012, 02:08 PM
Personally, I never hike nor hunt nor scout nor camp without a pistol on my belt. I usually use a .357, because of the balance of weight and capability of the cartridge. Perfect for where I live. 9mm is second string, but the closer I am to the border, the more it gets considered as a legitimate alternative to the .357 due to capacity.

The pistol goes with me regardless of whether I'm hunting with a shotgun, rifle, or .22 pistol - yes, sometimes I hunt small game with a .22 pistol. Even then, a serious pistol is still riding on my hip.

For just scouting, I almost always leave the heavier long guns at home. If I want to plink or possibly shoot a rabbit, I take along a .22 of some description. I have friends who routinely hike with an AR or .30-30 when not hunting for protection. I don't question their decision, but I don't follow suit. .357 or full-sized 9mm, depending on where I am, suffice for protection needs. I haven't gone stump shooting with a bow in far too long, though. Hmmm. Maybe next weekend, I'll have to think about doing some of that.

VancMike
February 12, 2012, 02:53 PM
Take your Marlin. You and I will be the only ones in Washington with lever 30-30s! :confused:

For some reason, about 40 years ago, all western deer, elk, bear, coyotes, etc., etc. became too big and too far away for the lowly 30-30. :rolleyes:

Cocked & Locked
February 12, 2012, 03:05 PM
For some reason, about 40 years ago, all western deer, elk, bear, coyotes, etc., etc. became too big and too far away for the lowly 30-30.

As did the critters in the southeast. Long live the .30-30. :cool:

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/17383006/391613630.jpg

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/17383006/400967694.jpg

Geno
February 12, 2012, 03:08 PM
For some reason, about 40 years ago, all western deer, elk, bear, coyotes, etc., etc. became too big and too far away for the lowly 30-30.

I knew it! They started taking steroids, didn't they?! Sneaky indeed. :D

Geno

tahoe2
February 12, 2012, 03:33 PM
Now, that's funny !!

Gtscotty
February 12, 2012, 05:36 PM
While we have some black bear in my part of Georgia, they are so rare that I'm not concerned about having a "bear grade" firearm whenever I'm in the woods.

If I am scouting before deer season, I almost always only have a pistol, usually my G19, but .22 pistols and my 10mm get some carry time as well.

If I'm scouting for deer during small game season, I'll probably just carry a .22 or shotgun.

If I'm scouting for deer during deer season..... I'm not scouting at all, its go time, so I'll have the '06 or 270 with me, in addition to a pistol.

Smokey in PHX
February 14, 2012, 01:15 PM
I seem to always be carrying one of the 30-30's when scouting.

kbbailey
February 14, 2012, 02:16 PM
stump shooting with a bow

One of my favorites while scouting too, but I rarely go to the woods w/o a rovolver on my hip.

K1500
February 14, 2012, 06:11 PM
Although I occasionaly take an AR afield, I almost always take a .30-30 in preference to an AR when camping and traveling across the West.

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