Opinions on the M&P15 Sport wanted


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jon_in_wv
February 11, 2012, 09:53 AM
I have the opportunity to purchase a M&P15 Sport at a really great price. What are your opinions of this AR? I know it lacks a dust cover and a forward assist but to be honest that doesn't bug me. I've used ARs for many years and I've never seen the need for either really. The rifle would be primarily just a range rife, maybe a three gun shooter if I got into such a thing later. I would also like to get a 20 varmint upper for it for some longer range shooting too. Is there any reason you would steer away from this one?

I had bought a stripped lower for an AR build but I can get this rifle cheaper than any rifle kit I've seen and this one comes with the fold down rear sight.

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snakeman
February 11, 2012, 10:18 AM
If it only had a dust cover. I have no use for an ar with no dust cover. If you plan to ever rely on it in a dusty place, avoid this gun. Just leaving a dust cover open on an ar where I live will cause jams like crazy. Sometimes the bolt won't even close. I don't own the sport myself but I do know that I have had ar's fail because I drove a couple of miles on the 4 wheeler with the dust cover open.

DM~
February 11, 2012, 10:32 AM
I really like mine, and i don't miss the foreward assist or the dust cover one bit.

So far it's been 100% reliable and although i haven't put it on the bernch or scoped it yet, it looks like it will be fairly accurate.

IMO they are a GREAT buy in an AR.

DM

2ndtimer
February 11, 2012, 10:45 AM
Mine has been great. Super reliable, and surprisingly accurate given the 16" barrel and heavy trigger pull. I paid $599 for mine, and think it would still be a bargain at $699. Shoots consistent 1 1/4 inch groups at 100 yards off the bench with the Nikon Prostaff 2-7X scope mounted. Those inch and a quarter groups are fired with decent bullets in handloads, 52 gr Nosler HP and Hornaday 55 gr SP. The cheap Federal AE223 grouped more like 2 to 3 inches for 5 shots at 100 yards in my rifle.

batmann
February 11, 2012, 10:51 AM
I just bought one as well. The lack of a FA does not bother me in the slightest, the dust cover I would like, but I can live without it. If you are shooting in any enviornmemt, it will be open anyway.
It is a great rifle at, given the current prices, a good price. I intend to shoot the snot out of mine and enjoy what it is, not what it doesn't have.
If I lived in a dusty area like snakeman, I think a piece of electrical tape would work if that becomes a problem.

jon_in_wv
February 11, 2012, 10:55 AM
I don't care about the dust cover either. If its 100% reliability or home/self defense my AK is getting the nod on that one. This rifle would be mainly for the range. The 20 inch upper I put on later would be the one for serious work.

dprice3844444
February 11, 2012, 11:57 AM
you can always change the aluminum upper part

HavelockLEO
February 11, 2012, 10:04 PM
I have one and I love it, even without the FA and dust cover.
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Only thing I dont like is the trigger

helotaxi
February 11, 2012, 10:18 PM
I think the lack of FA and dustcover are its strongest points. If you get it and decide to swap out the upper, shoot me a PM. I'd be interested in the stock upper.

jon_in_wv
February 11, 2012, 11:18 PM
Whats wrong with the trigger?

Even if its a little heavy by most people's standards I'm one of those freaks that just isn't that worried about the trigger. I prefer a heavier trigger than most on most of my guns. I don't even like a "crisp" trigger. I prefer one with a little creep that has a slight "roll off" break. I don't know why, I just do.

RainDodger
February 11, 2012, 11:25 PM
Personally, I'm not in combat, I don't take my Sport into the desert sands and I also have no need of the forward assist. I have NEVER needed the forward assist on my ARs that have them.

I bought a Sport for the same reason you're considering it - a great price. It has never failed to function correctly, and I think Smith may have something with the melonite finish and the 5R rifling. Mine is quite accurate I'm happy to say. Yep, no dust cover. No forward assist. It also doesn't have the regular pivoting trigger guard... but I don't care about any of that. The rifle simply functions, and it functions well.

Edit: regarding the trigger.... mine had a long travel, but was fairly smooth and not too heavy. Better than many ARs. Nevertheless I sent my trigger group to Bill Springfield in Colorado and he did a very nice job on it. That's a matter personal perspective though.

Whacked
February 11, 2012, 11:37 PM
how important is the dust cover anyways?
none of my other guns have one.
during transport, they are in cases or wrapped in a old blanket.
never had a issue with them, and this valley gets pretty dusty at times.
seems like a tacticool gotta-have 'cause the military has them than any real practical use.

HavelockLEO
February 11, 2012, 11:45 PM
Whats wrong with the trigger?

Its got a LONG gritty first stage and a heavy second stage. I'm going to be changing it out with a Gieselle SSA very soon

jon_in_wv
February 12, 2012, 12:04 AM
BTW guys, I live in the rainy state of WV. I haven't seen dust in the 9 years I've lived here.

ts got a LONG gritty first stage and a heavy second stage. I'm going to be changing it out with a Gieselle SSA very soon

I thought it had a single stage trigger?

HavelockLEO
February 12, 2012, 12:08 AM
it is single, its one LONG HEAVY single stage trigger

Whacked
February 12, 2012, 02:49 AM
Hmmm,.. in my area I can find the S&W Sport and Delton Sport for the same price, what do you think would be better?
only diff I see is the rifling (1:8 vs 1:9) and the Delton doesn't appear to have a rear sight. not that big a issue unless you want the irons.

Whacked
February 12, 2012, 02:50 AM
it is single, its one LONG HEAVY single stage trigger
like the Mosin Nagant? iv'e gotten a bit used to that

chris in va
February 12, 2012, 05:14 AM
No issues with mine after 2800 of my reloads.

I changed out the hand guard with a shielded version, really helps with barrel heat. Installed a web sling and curved butt pad.

Honestly, I feel this gun is what a civilian AR should be. All the 'mil spec' extras are fluff that he average range shooter will never use.

BTW, I don't see an issue with the trigger. Zero creep, crisp letoff. Better than my CZ's actually.

mdauben
February 12, 2012, 05:28 AM
Another happy Sport owner. I bought mine last year and have not had any real problems since. I never missed either the FA or the dust cover.

HavelockLEO
February 12, 2012, 12:37 PM
My only issue is the trigger, otherwise I'd get another one if I had the coin, but the trigger is fixable, and I've been wanting to try out the SSA. All I needed was an excuse to get one lol

hardluk1
February 12, 2012, 04:06 PM
I bought my M&Psport for 595 a couple months back. great rifle. FA is not needed and if it is pushing it forward will allmost never help. Its a mag problem more times than not. If your gona play in a sand pit than give it a good shack and keep shooting.

Mine will shoot off a bench AR223 55gr ammo between an 1" and 1 1/4" Wolf gold 75gr hpbt will go 3/4". Even m855 will shoot 2 1/2" all at 100 yards. Trigger is a single stag but no heavier than many others and better than many. Mine breaks at 5lb 3oz after 600 rounds. I does suck but I am use to 2lb or less triggers. But no ar has what many of use would call where while. I have added a used rra freefloat mid length handguard and It has a RRA scope mount and 2.5-10 scope.- I can find a single reason to spend more money on a rifle that only cost more. Atleast S&W builds all there metal work in house. No subcontractor parts like most all others use. photo- http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l444/hardluk1/th_107_4069.jpg (http://s331.photobucket.com/albums/l444/hardluk1/?action=view&current=107_4069.jpg)

smithman 10
February 12, 2012, 04:38 PM
I filled out the paperwork on one the other day - waiting for it to clear the dang clogged up state system!

Never owned an AR gun - fired M-16's in the service some 40+ years ago, but finally at this price decided to take the plunge. Everyone else seems to have one, the ammo is pretty cheap and it's a heckuva lot lighter than the Garand I was shooting yesterday.

I'm looking forward to a lot of fun shooting it - most of the reports I've heard on the gun are positive.

When I get mine and shoot it a bit I'll post a report.

jon_in_wv
February 12, 2012, 05:28 PM
I'll be getting the M&P for 530-540 out the door.

jon_in_wv
February 12, 2012, 05:34 PM
I have a DPMS stripped lower. Would I be better off using a rifle kit to assemble an AR? What kit would you use?

ugaarguy
February 13, 2012, 04:59 AM
Would I be better off using a rifle kit to assemble an AR?
If you can get the Sport for $540 OTD or better I'd stick with the Sport. PSA's kits are going to run you $500+. Del-Ton's kits are $475+, but you have to pay another $45 to get them with a hard chromed bbl.

I'd get the Sport, slap a set of $25 M4 heat shielded hand guards on it (or MagPul MOE hand guards), and shoot the crap out of it. If you decide you want another AR after a few thousand rounds down the Sport you'll know what you like about a basic 16" carbine, and what you areas you'd rather change. At that point I'd build the DPMS stripped lower into exactly what you want based on what you find you like.

I've owned the $1000+ rifles like Colt, LMT, and Noveske. I've also owned ARs from DPMS and Olympic. I currently have a Daniel Defense M4V1, and S&W M&P15 Sport. I wish I'd never traded the Colt SP1 I had. The Noveske pistol was a fun project, but one I didn't have time to perfect so it went to a friend. The basic LMT carbine was also a great rifle - it was a properly built no frills, nothing to get emotional about M4 style though. The corners cut in materials & build quality on both the DPMS AR-15 pattern and the Oly were obvious. Caveat, I have a DPMS LR-308, and these SR25 pattern rifles seem to be built by an entirely different & better company. :confused:

The DDM4V1 with its cold hammer forged barrel & omega 12 FSP rail system is something special. The M&P15 Sport with its T/C made 1:8 twist 5R rifled medium contour barrel, and user upgraded hand guards (Troy MRF CX free float in my case) is a beast. It's not a DDM4, but at a little over half the price, including upgrades, of the DD it's amazing how close the Sport is in terms of feature, performance, and build quality. I think it's an exceptional value in the AR world.

jsimmons
February 13, 2012, 07:16 AM
It's an AR-15. You can do anything you want to it. However, consider that buying a rifle and then changing it is often at least as expensive as just building a rifle the way you actually want it.

DNS
February 13, 2012, 07:26 AM
Very happy with mine and don't miss the dust cover either. Never used a forward assist since my AR in the military never had one.

They can't keep the Sports on the shelves around here.

jon_in_wv
February 13, 2012, 10:06 PM
jsimmons, I did think of that but if I build a varminter, I still want a shorter M4 style also so it's kind of 6 of one half a dozen of the other for me. I'm only planning on shooting on the range out to 500-600 yards so I would think the 16" barrel should be able to handle that alright for now.

jon_in_wv
February 13, 2012, 10:08 PM
Honestly, I think I'll get the M&P and I'll sell the lower I have to start saving for a scope for it.

P-32
February 13, 2012, 10:27 PM
I would hang on to the stripped lower for a rainy day,

jsimmons
February 14, 2012, 09:29 AM
jsimmons, I did think of that but if I build a varminter, I still want a shorter M4 style also so it's kind of 6 of one half a dozen of the other for me. I'm only planning on shooting on the range out to 500-600 yards so I would think the 16" barrel should be able to handle that alright for now.

Must be nice to have a range that has a 600-yard position...

I happen to agree with you. The S&W Sport is a fine platform, and since the Sport is just another AR-15, you can do anything you want to it to make it more appropriate for the intended mission. I have a M&P15 MOE that has gone through a lot of changes itself:


UPG-16 pistol grip (it's got replaceable forestraps and backstraps so you can implement the best configure for you (I personally hate the hard plastic MOE and standard AR-15 grips). ($30)

M16 BCG ($110) with Sprinco Blue action spring ($23) and H2 buffer ($36)

Primary Weapon Systems Enhanced (extruded) buffer tube ($65)

Smith Vortex G6A2 flash suppressor (the best suppressor I've ever seen) ($50)

Magpul CTR Stock - to get the QD sling swivel hole ($75)

Troy folding rear sight - the Magpul sight was plastic, and it just looked/felt cheap to me ($90)

Yankee-Hill folding front sight/gas block - I don't care for the standard FSP, and even though the fornt sight would not have been visible in a magnified optic, it would still have prevented the maximum light transmission the scope is capable of. ($65)

Jard non-adjustable trigger ($115)


On top of the $1100 I paid for the rifle, I've spent an additional $650 on upgrades (not counting shipping, or buying parts that it turned out I didn't like). I still haven't changed the barrel/hand guard (another $600, give or take), which I really want to do.

It would have cost me less to just build a rifle from scratch the way I wanted it, which I subsequently did. I paid about $1300 (not counting shipping charges for the parts) for a rifle with all the "right" parts already in/on it.

So, if you're going to buy a Sport, consider the following changes :

0) Change the barrel to a 16-inch mid-length 1:8 or 1:7 barrel. This will keep the action from being chewed up as a result of being over-gassed (as is typically the case in a carbine-length system). This will also require changing the hand guard and the gas tube. I use BlackHole Weaponry barrels at $250 each, and my homemade AR uses one of their 16-inch stainless 1:8 mid-length barrels.

1) Use a floating hand guard to avoid barrel deflection caused by grip and/or sling use. You can actually do this without changing the barrel, but when you do get around to changing the barrel, you'll have to do it again if you change to the mid-length gas system. I would recommend getting one with a full top rail and the ability to bolt on additional rails as needed on the sides/bottom.

2) Change the trigger to one of the high-quality triggers available. You can spend as little as $65 for an ALG ACT trigger (made by Giessele), to as much as $300 for a Timney or a fancier Giessele, with a lot of choices in between. I use Jard witha full-power hammer spring because it's a smooth single action trigger with a 4.5 pound pull, it's reasonably priced, and it's not a "match" trigger.

3) To lessen the recoil pulse, change the BCG to a M16 BCG, and use a quality action spring with the heaviest buffer you can find that still allows the action to cycle properly. Reducing the recoli pulse allows you to better keep the weapon aimed at the intended target. I use the M16 BCG from Spike's without any special coating, Sprinco action springs, and a standard H2 recoil buffer.

4) Change the front sight post to a folding front sight. I use the yankee hill gasblock/folding sight because I don't think optics or sights should be mounted on a handguard. If they're mounted on the barrel, then the bullet will go where the barrel is pointed.

5) Whatever you do, stay away from anti-rotation pins. The only thing they do is make the trigger harder to pull. I used to have them on my ARs, but took them off due to increased trigger stiffness.

Keep in mind this is one man's opinion and for every person you ask, they will provided a different one.

Archaic
February 14, 2012, 01:32 PM
I love mine, thus far its gone bang and made the steel rodents spin every time I've pulled the trigger. No complaints whatsoever.

jon_in_wv
February 14, 2012, 11:10 PM
Must be nice to have a range that has a 600-yard position...

Yup, actually it goes out to 1000 yards though. I just don't shoot that far.

http://whitehorse.thomassmith.us/

Thanks for the advise. I seriously doubt I would put that much effort into this upper but I plan on doing some research to put together a quality upper for longer distances, probably along the lines of what you suggested.

TITAN308
February 14, 2012, 11:18 PM
If it only had a dust cover. I have no use for an ar with no dust cover. If you plan to ever rely on it in a dusty place, avoid this gun. Just leaving a dust cover open on an ar where I live will cause jams like crazy. Sometimes the bolt won't even close. I don't own the sport myself but I do know that I have had ar's fail because I drove a couple of miles on the 4 wheeler with the dust cover open.

There was a review when these came out and the guy was throwing dirt into the ejection port when the S&W staff were not looking.

He could not get it to jam.

Not saying it couldn't, but less mall ninja, more realism please.

That or start lubing your AR-15 correctly. A common problem amonst AR-15 owners.

hardluk1
February 15, 2012, 09:12 AM
BWCustoms Good reply

jon_in_wv
February 15, 2012, 09:48 AM
Honestly, if your rifle can't handle a few miles on the 4 wheeler you have the wrong rifle. I've done a lot of training with the AR when I was in the Marine Corps. Most of it was in desert conditions in California. We did a LOT of movement, firing, running, rolling, etc......in the dust and dirt and I never took the time to close my dust cover after the first shot.

jon_in_wv
February 18, 2012, 11:28 PM
I'm actually kind of torn here. I can get a M&P15 Sport for $540 OTD and I can sell the DPMS stripped lower I have.

-BUT-

I could get a Del-ton rifle kit and build it myself for not much more.

What to do!

FlyinBryan
February 18, 2012, 11:41 PM
I'm actually kind of torn here. I can get a M&P15 Sport for $540 OTD and I can sell the DPMS stripped lower I have.

-BUT-

I could get a Del-ton rifle kit and build it myself for not much more.

What to do!
between those two i would go with the delton.

if you threw a palmetto state option in then id go that route.

i know all the sport owners say no need for a dust cover or a forward assist but i prefer to have them.

jon_in_wv
February 19, 2012, 08:52 AM
Palmetto State says there is a 4-6 week wait to get one and its more expensive. Is it worth all that? Delton is in stock at Midway.

The only problem is Del-ton only seems to offer a 1-9 twist when I would have preferred a 1-8.

hardluk1
February 19, 2012, 04:03 PM
Get the sport , you will not disapointed. Good shooter well made all metal parts made in house.

jon_in_wv
February 20, 2012, 10:16 AM
I'm also tempted to get a Model 1 with the EF Shaw barrel.

hardluk1
February 20, 2012, 12:16 PM
Nothing special about shaws barrels. But by all means buy what you really want. i will stay with my sport. Simple, not a a parts gun for different metal components like so many others.

jon_in_wv
February 20, 2012, 07:15 PM
Nothing special about it but a lot of people seem to recommend Model 1 and the price is right. The more I think about it the more I remember the little "click" the dustcover made when I would close it when I'm done shooting. I think I would miss that for some reason.

stormspotter
February 20, 2012, 07:49 PM
Here's a target I shot a week ago, after putting a Vortes Srikefire on it. This was the best one of the day. I had others that were in the 3/4" - 1" range. Not bad for 63 year old eyes.

May sell my 581 Mini and get another if I can find one priced right.


http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k10/ema567/001-2.jpg

jon_in_wv
February 20, 2012, 10:39 PM
Nice shooting!

gunfighter48
February 21, 2012, 03:03 AM
I bought the S&W 15 Sport last Aug. and it's a great gun for the money. I've got about 1500 rds thru mine with NO failures of any type. It's lite weight, fast handling, very accurate and came with a lifetime warranty. So what's not to like? S&W have been making great weapons for many many years. They do it right and they have great customer service. The AR is the only rifle that has a forward assist and dust cover. All the other rifles I've owned or shot didn't have them and didn't need them. My last AR had both of them and I never needed them, so I don't miss them on the Sport. YMMV

Here's mine after some mods.

Magpul MOE furniture
Magpul Gen 2 Flip Up Rear Sight
YHM Flip Up/Gas Block Front Sight
Timney 4 lb Trigger Assembly
Vortex Flash Hider
Gunfighter Charging Handle
Impact Weapons QD Sling Hardware
Primary Arms M3 Style Red Dot Sight

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e11/gunfighter48/DSC_0005-1.jpg

jon_in_wv
February 21, 2012, 10:24 AM
What is the profile of the sport's barrel under the hand guards?

hardluk1
February 21, 2012, 04:56 PM
If this make sence to you mine from the chamber section out is .736 under the handguard out to the .854 section where the gas block butts up to.

jon_in_wv
February 21, 2012, 08:11 PM
I think you are saying it is a heavy barrel as opposed to a govt profile?

hardluk1
February 22, 2012, 08:29 PM
Not a goverment profile but not a bull barrel either

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