France moves to ban religious items


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Balog
February 10, 2004, 01:31 PM
Taken from http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=world&cat=france

If this passes, I wonder if France's large and increasingly militant Muslim population will riot?

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Balog
February 10, 2004, 01:32 PM
For the link impaired...

By ELAINE GANLEY, Associated Press Writer

PARIS - France's lower house of parliament on Tuesday voted overwhelmingly to ban students from wearing Islamic head scarves and other religious apparel in public schools.


The measure, which would outlaw conspicuous religious clothing and symbols in classrooms, was approved 494-36. It goes to the Senate, where little opposition was expected, in early March.


The measure was expected to take effect in September.


The bill stipulates that "in schools, junior high schools and high schools, signs and dress that conspicuously show the religious affiliation of students are forbidden." It would not apply to students in private schools or to French schools in other countries.


Sanctions for refusing to remove conspicuous religious signs and clothing would range from a warning to temporary suspension from school to expulsion.


The bill got far more than the 288 votes in the 577-seat National Assembly that were needed to pass — a measure of its wide popularity within France, demonstrated in repeated public opinion polls.


French leaders hope a law will quell the debate over head scarves that has divided France since 1989, when two young girls were expelled from their school in Creil, outside Paris, for wearing head scarves. Scores more have been expelled since then.


The government argues that a law is needed to protect France's secular traditions and to diminish rising Islamic fundamentalism. The ban would apply to Jewish skullcaps and large Christian crosses as well as the head scarf.


"This law is for us indispensable," said Martine David, a Socialist lawmaker. Teachers "need a clear judicial framework."


Parliament's majority party — the Union for a Popular Movement — agreed Thursday to a last-minute amendment by the Socialists that calls for an evaluation of the law a year after it takes effect.


Lawmakers want the option of being able to alter its language from "conspicuous" to "visible" if necessary in order to eliminate vagueness or ambiguity.


The governing UMP party also added an amendment to ensure that mediation takes place before any sanctions are imposed — another Socialist suggestion.

tiberius
February 10, 2004, 01:45 PM
My respect for France continues to grow......NOT.

What a bunch of ninnies.

If the Muslims do decide to go after France, how long do you think it will be before they surrender?


Do'oh edited to add the word "long"

Bill Hook
February 10, 2004, 01:48 PM
This from a nation that espouses itself a bastion of freedom - more so than the US, if you ask them (not that I'm going to or even give a rip).

El Tejon
February 10, 2004, 01:55 PM
Religious intolerance--how continental!:D

RWK
February 10, 2004, 02:01 PM
The French deserve exactly what they are getting.
:fire:

mrapathy2000
February 10, 2004, 02:29 PM
I doubt jobless muslim population will rest easy with it. they have already been fighting it.

Mizzoutiger
February 10, 2004, 04:04 PM
With the muslim population France has got... I'd say they're screwing the poodle on this one.

Balog
February 10, 2004, 05:23 PM
When/if this baby passes, I'm expecting riots that'll make LA look like a rowdy kids birthday party. Too bad the Frogs won't have many heavily armed Korean shopkeepers :evil:

HunterGatherer
February 10, 2004, 10:12 PM
You reckon the French will squeal to the U.N. to come and save them from the thronging masses of Muslims they have exploited all these years? It would be fun to see who would surrender the fastest, the French or the U.N.

mrapathy2000
February 10, 2004, 10:22 PM
nm

OF
February 11, 2004, 01:30 PM
France: not just a bunch of petty tyrants anymore!

- Gabe

Black Snowman
February 11, 2004, 02:35 PM
What is this supposed do be? A "don't ask don't tell" approch to religion? I don't even like organized religion and I think this is just crazy. If I were a French student, being an athiest, I'd wear every religious symbol I could find.

They would say I couldn't.

I would say that "I'm an athiest and they're just decorative, just like the rest of my clothes. So you're saying I have to go to school naked now in case my boxer briefs have some religious signifgance to someone?"

Almost every form of clothing has meaning in some religion somewhere. Shoulder pads, stitch patterns, types of cloth, colors, hats of various descriptions, makeup, shoes, lack of shoes, etc . . . the list never ends. This is biased and descriminitory from the word go. There's no way it can't be.

[sigh]

Thumper
February 11, 2004, 02:38 PM
I'd say they're screwing the poodle on this one.

Naw, that implies an inherrent masculinity in the french. We know that's not the case.

Mizzoutiger
February 11, 2004, 04:15 PM
Touche, Thumper!

I feel bad for all people who will be religiously persecuted should this go into law. But, it's the French government doing this.

So... I say... :cuss: 'em. Let the next French Revolution begin!

Boats
February 11, 2004, 04:41 PM
the Union for a Popular Movement Bowel movement that is. . . .

Zedicus
February 11, 2004, 07:48 PM
Boats:
the Union for a Popular Movement
Bowel movement that is. . . .

And the dung is going to fly....

It would not suprise me if the uk attempted something like this in the future unless the uk's curent trajectory is altered greatly...

Dorrin79
February 11, 2004, 08:01 PM
Perhaps it's un-PC of me to say, but I couldn't help thinking upon reading this

"I guess it's an improvement over making them wear religious symbols"

Europe just gets worse and worse...

I'd be getting the #$%! out of France if I were Jewish.

nico
February 11, 2004, 10:54 PM
When/if this baby passes, I'm expecting riots that'll make LA look like a rowdy kids birthday party.

and they'd be completely understandable:fire:

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