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Rev. Chad
February 15, 2012, 02:21 PM
I saw a hunting show the other night and they were hunting some type of wild cattle on a ranch in Hawaii, it was a cross of Longhorn and Hereford I believe. It got me to thinking, what would gun type and what load would you use? The area they were hunting in was thick brush and real hilly.

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Rev. Chad
February 15, 2012, 02:24 PM
I was thinking a Mossberg 500 in 12 gauge and loaded with the hardest rifled slugs I could get. This could really beat hunting hogs.

CoRoMo
February 15, 2012, 05:43 PM
We've killed cattle with a .22 rifle, but I'd just use one of my .270 rifles.

Horribilus
February 15, 2012, 06:50 PM
My grandpa used to shoot cattle to slaughter with a Win 92 32/20. They didn't die right away. I'd probably go with something like a 45/70 to get good penetration.

H&Hhunter
February 15, 2012, 07:13 PM
Anything you'd hunt water buffalo with or cape buffalo would be great. Feral cattle can be dangerous but are not wired anything like a cape buf. Of course comparing the rifle we slaughter cattle with and what we hunt them with isn't a valid comparison.

Any round and bullet that would work for large game such as elk or moose would work for feral cattle just fine. A big cow will weigh as much or more than a big bull moose. Cattle are also heavier built than deer.my choice would be a good .30 cal with 180 or 200gr bullets and up. You couldn't go wrong with your.338 or.375 those are never a bad choice on bigger stuff.

Cob
February 16, 2012, 12:24 AM
Most cattle today are probably going to be in some sort of fence. Wild cattle make for good television, but are much harder to find in real life.

I would think twice before pulling the trigger on any "wild cattle", as you may face fines or imprisonment when the cattle-owner/ cowboy shows up, and you're butchering his Bessie that escaped confinement.

Escapees from confinement or "lost" cattle are probably more routine, especially in fence-out states, vs. fence-in states. if i were going to kill a "wild cow" here in FL, I would use modern archery equipment to muffle the shot.

immigrants that pass thru this area do this more regrettably more routinely than needed, and use a chainsaw to butcher in a hurry, often times making a run with the hide still attached before discovery.

the beef industry is really doing well here in FL, with the drought significantly affecting beef prices throughout TX, & USA.

baylorattorney
February 16, 2012, 12:30 AM
In Texas cattle prices are way up, so bf you drop the hammer on some beef make sure you have plenty of cash.

shiftyer1
February 16, 2012, 01:26 AM
And a big freezer.

H&Hhunter
February 16, 2012, 10:18 AM
I would think twice before pulling the trigger on any "wild cattle",

However on the Big Island of Hawaii there is a huntable population of feral cattle. It's a legit deal and is included in the state game regulations.

Davek1977
February 16, 2012, 10:26 AM
growing up on the family ranch, occasionally an animal would need to be put down. My SKS worked as well as anything else....fmj thru the brain

snakeman
February 16, 2012, 10:27 AM
something in the sprectrum beginning with 30-30 and ending with 45-70

303tom
February 16, 2012, 10:38 AM
I would use my .35 Whelen..............

MtnCreek
February 16, 2012, 10:40 AM
Bucket of corn and a 5 ft stick of dogwood (aim for the nose). :)

huntershooter
February 16, 2012, 11:03 AM
Guess it would depend on rather you merely wanted to kill them, or stop them.
As stated a .22 rimfire will put them down, if surgically placed-under ideal conditions (animal penned).
If I were hunting them and there were a chance of being gored or stomped, I'd much prefer a large caliber rifle/slug gun.
What is the scenario for hunting; open country or timber-close in and fast or slow and deliberate?

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
February 16, 2012, 08:58 PM
It sounds stupid but I actually developed some very good Elk loads by testing them on some cattle many years ago. My dad raised Black Angus and we would always butcher 2 or 3 for the family every year. I would test a load for penetration (lung shots so as not to really screw up a lot of meat) and found that a good 1 1/2 year old bull made for a great test medium. Thick hides, fairly thick fat layer, and some pretty stout ribs gave me very good load data. I would test at 100 to 200 yards. I tested both .30/30 and .30/06 and both did very well. I did do a test on one cow we had that needed to be taken out anyway because it was sick. We couldn't eat the meat so the shot didn't matter so I tested on the front shoulder with the .30/06. Broke both shoulders and found the 180gr Sierra in the skin on the off side. Was shot at 195 yards. I would have to say that pretty much any .30cal or above would be just dandy for feral cow.

jmorris
February 16, 2012, 11:04 PM
A 5 gallon bucket of range cubes and a .22lr.

kbbailey
February 16, 2012, 11:55 PM
I shot a fine Northern Pump Hereford bull in the ball sack with a .177 cal BB. He came from John Wayne's ranch about '69 or '70.

MCgunner
February 17, 2012, 12:05 AM
Wild cow hunting. Now THERE'S a scam ranchers can use! They need to work up a boone and crocket scoring system. I mean, think of it, no high dollar high fences, just barbed wire. 100 percent success rate. $8000 kill fee plus quartering and such for a 1000 dollar cow. I mean, does it get any better? :D Camo is important, though, ya know, and you'll need a cow call and a cow decoy. Ranch could charge extra for this.

Mmm, could be a fortune to be made here. :D

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
February 17, 2012, 12:09 AM
Now that I think of it, didn't "The Pig Man" hunting show have one of these feral cow hunts in Newfoundland? I seem to remember it (love that show. He's hilarious) and he didn't get on one because they are very skiddish.

jbkebert
February 17, 2012, 12:14 AM
I know of a couple ranches in TX where you can opt to bow hunt Watusi cattle. While I have never hunted one I have been around them. One charged the ranches truck and put a hole in the bed of the truck near the tail light and the other hole in the door.

When on foot you give them a wide birth.
http://www.texaslonghorn.com/photos/r_3359.jpg

MCgunner
February 17, 2012, 12:20 AM
he didn't get on one because they are very skiddish.


This probably would have helped. :D


http://www.shhaybaleblinds.com/www.shhaybaleblinds.com/Home_files/Bale%20Blind%20Pics%20055.jpg

H&Hhunter
February 17, 2012, 02:42 PM
Wild cow hunting. Now THERE'S a scam ranchers can use! They need to work up a boone and crocket scoring system. I mean, think of it, no high dollar high fences, just barbed wire.

I wonder what would happen if you mixed a Spanish fighting bull with Longhorn cow and advertised dangerous game hunts. That oughta bring a premium!

TexasPatriot.308
February 18, 2012, 01:48 PM
I had to put down a fair size bull monday, my Ruger 10/22 right behind the ear at close range, he went to his knees and was gone a few seconds later, not a wild critter and I didnt like doing it, just a necessity sometimes in the cattle business.

Kachok
February 19, 2012, 12:21 PM
+1 for the 45-70, but seeing as I don't have one at the moment I would use my 06 with 200gr Accubonds.

lopaka
February 19, 2012, 04:38 PM
However on the Big Island of Hawaii there is a huntable population of feral cattle. It's a legit deal and is included in the state game regulations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdrMe2FxHuI&feature=related

Shooting, processing, and eating wild cattle on local Ahiu Hawaii TV show. After watching this, I need a burger.

Bonus pig hunting on the same show.

lopaka
February 19, 2012, 05:12 PM
I know of a couple ranches in TX where you can opt to bow hunt Watusi cattle. While I have never hunted one I have been around them. One charged the ranches truck and put a hole in the bed of the truck near the tail light and the other hole in the door.

When on foot you give them a wide birth.
http://www.texaslonghorn.com/photos/r_3359.jpg

Wife was driving from Ft Davis to Valentine, West Texas.

Open range cattle around. One day she saw a bull on the side of the road and decided to creep by in our red Honda Civic sedan. It rammed the side of the car, caving in the left rear door --- rocking the car and leaving a nice imprint of its head in the door and some snot. Then it backed up and went around, about its business. That door never opened again.

T.R.
February 20, 2012, 09:34 AM
I shot a big Dakota bison with my .308 carbine. One shot into the brain at butt of ear folded the animal on the spot. I'm certain that a couple shots into the chest organs would be quite lethal as well.

TR

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/rushmoreman/bisonmeadowtreees.jpg

Art Eatman
February 20, 2012, 11:01 AM
Maybe the dope smugglers might have killed them off, but I've read of feral cattle in the cane breaks along the lower Rio Grande. Guys on horseback have been charged, and I saw one report of an attack on a pickup truck. What hunting has been done seems to have been with .375 H&H or larger, since in the thick cover the likelihood of a charge is part of the deal. It becomes "stop" instead of "hunt".

Open-range cattle are nothing for a fella on foot to mess with. Maybe no problem; maybe, "Oops!" My German Shepherd discovered what 800 pounds of mother-love was all about when he wandered over to sniff at a baby calf. :D

jmorris
February 22, 2012, 10:06 AM
I had to put down a fair size bull monday, my Ruger 10/22 right behind the ear at close range, he went to his knees and was gone a few seconds later, not a wild critter and I didnt like doing it, just a necessity sometimes in the cattle business.


At the prices we are getting these days I wouldn't like it either.

lizziedog1
February 22, 2012, 10:26 AM
Imagine crossing some cows with some feral hogs. Then you would get cows that not only have trophy horns, but throphy tusks as well. You can raise the hunting price and call it a two-for-one hunt. I don't know if this would be kosher.;)

H&Hhunter
February 22, 2012, 01:45 PM
That'd make for some horny pigs!

lizziedog1
February 22, 2012, 04:54 PM
But what would you call them?

Cogs or Hows? :confused:

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
February 22, 2012, 06:20 PM
Even worse, what would you call the meat? Bork? beecon?

lizziedog1
February 23, 2012, 08:50 AM
Even worse, what would you call the meat? Bork? beecon?


What about Peef?

When a kid asks her mother what is for dinner, she can say we are having peef stew. :D

Art Eatman
February 23, 2012, 10:18 AM
Get a job, lizziedog1, get a job. Or go out and pick up beer cans or something useful like that. :D

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