What is the softest recoiling .380?


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Supertec
February 15, 2012, 04:26 PM
Would it be the Beretta 84 maybe?

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rcmodel
February 15, 2012, 04:47 PM
I'd vote for the SIG P-232.

The one I have is the softest shooting, most accurate .380 I have ever shot.

The nearly two pound loaded CZ-83 should qualify as soft shooting, but I have never shot one.
http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-83/


rc

Geno
February 15, 2012, 04:52 PM
Well, I don't know, but it sure isn't the P3AT!!! :o

rcmodel
February 15, 2012, 04:56 PM
Hey!
My P3AT is easier on my hand then the Walther PPK & PPK/S I had!

It is a locked-breech design, and soaks up a lot of recoil instead of slapping your hand like the PPK & PPK/S.
If it weighed twice as much, like the Walther, it wouldn't kick at all.

rc

browningguy
February 15, 2012, 04:57 PM
It could well be the Beretta, I have the Browning BDA 380 version and it is a real treat to shoot.

GrandmasterB
February 15, 2012, 06:30 PM
A locked breech design is going to have less felt recoil than a blowback gun of similar size and weight.

For a small .380, it is hard to beat a Colt Mustang or Sig P238 for light recoil.

allaroundhunter
February 15, 2012, 06:34 PM
I have shot the Sig P232, and although it was larger, it had noticeably more snap than the Sig P238. The P238 is the softest shooting, most accurate .380 ACP that I have ever shot.

To be fair, the accuracy of the P232 was top notch, and I have never handled a Beretta 84

Wahoo95
February 15, 2012, 06:42 PM
Taurus PT-58....its like shooting a .22lr

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surjimmy
February 15, 2012, 07:21 PM
I would say the Hi-Point, what does it weigh about 5lbs?

Supertec
February 15, 2012, 07:24 PM
I don't know if the Beretta 84 is a locked breech design but it sure felt great in my hand and had enough weight to make me think it would be really a soft recoiling gun. I really want an accurate .380 also.

JSpear
February 15, 2012, 08:22 PM
My bersa shoots very softly.

rellascout
February 15, 2012, 08:55 PM
Beretta 84FS/Browning BDA would be my picks. I have never shot a smoother lighter recoiling 380 auto.

m2steven
February 15, 2012, 09:27 PM
I have 9 380 caliber pistols. The easiest shooting is the Sig P238 (the little mini 1911 style pistol). Following that the Kahr P380 is very shootable. Both these guns can be joyfully used as range toys.

Lots of 380's are "jumpy". Like the Bersa Thunder, CZ-82, etc. Not hard to shoot, they just seem to want to jump out of your hand. Odd feeling at first but you get used to it.

The most accurate 380 i've shot is my lovely Walther PPK. It will give you about 40 rounds before it physically starts too rub 2 bloody spots in the webbing between your thumb and forefinger. In spite of this, it's a great
carry pistol due to it's incredible accuracy.

The Micro Desert Eagle is an interesting pistol. It is really a handfull to shoot, can be painfull with hot loads, heck, it hurts with regular OTC loads.
I like it however as it will place your payload where you want it and mine is
reliable.

I have a Taurus micro 380 (can't grab the model number from back of head) but it's been out a few years. Mine works really well and has had zero problems. It's has a nice trigger and won't rough you up at the range.

I own a Colt Govt model 380. This is a really nice pistol, metal, heavy, reliable. I replaced the recoil spring a few months ago and it's a reliable piece. It has a real safety as does the SIG P238 and is almost as easy to shoot. It's accurate enough for self defense work and really feels like a real piece of gear. I got it for less than I paid for my P238.

One 380 I don't own (but will) is the Sig P232. I have shot one and I like it. Not as comfortable as the Kahr nor P238 - but what a beauty! Like the PPK - it's a joy just to behold. A real piece of firearms art.

gunnerh
February 15, 2012, 09:37 PM
The 1911 style in steel ,Colt or Iver Johnson Pony( both by FIE) or the little Llama seem to me the softest recoiling. The Browning 1910 is the smoothest.

cfullgraf
February 15, 2012, 10:48 PM
I don't know if the Beretta 84 is a locked breech design but it sure felt great in my hand and had enough weight to make me think it would be really a soft recoiling gun. I really want an accurate .380 also.

The Beretta Model 84 is a blow back design and i agree it is pretty soft shooting.

But, it is a bit larger than most 380 ACP pistols with a big hand filling grip.

i like the Model 84.

I like shooting the original Mustang and the Sig P238 is similar since I got neoprene grips of it. Recoil is not objectionable.

The Kel Tec P3AT is pretty heavy felt recoil in my mind but it is a small platform.

marine 97-03
February 15, 2012, 11:17 PM
Walther pk380.....

HisSoldier
February 16, 2012, 01:34 AM
The 1911 style in steel ,Colt or Iver Johnson Pony( both by FIE) or the little Llama seem to me the softest recoiling.

That Llama .380 is the closest .380 to a 1911 ever made, but has a bad reputation. I own several, some as old as 1943, and really like them.

Also, the Star S model, though slightly larger, is also locked breech (Some later Llama's, and some very early ones I believe, were blowback), and the internal design of the Colt SA Pony and the IJ, as well as the Mustangs, Gov't .380, and P238 all owe their internal design to the Star, which I think owes it's design philosophy to the WW1 Ruby as made by the predecessor to Star.

I'm a little foggy on that Ruby part, would need to dig out the books. Most Ruby's were of even simpler design and made by some huge number of small shops, who knows what they have in their guts.
The Llama's and Star's are very nice shooting guns that are, sadly, often forgotten in these discussions.

My 1943 Llama next to a modern RIA 1911 type;
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc225/partsproduction/1911s.jpg

One of my Star S (Or SS) models;
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc225/partsproduction/StarS-1.jpg

lefteyedom
February 16, 2012, 01:38 AM
Not my Kel Tec 380!!
I bought it to carry,
not to shoot more than 1, 6 six round magazine

MICHAEL T
February 16, 2012, 02:05 AM
I vote Colt Mustangs . Even with hot Corbon still soft recoil.

5-SHOTS
February 16, 2012, 05:05 AM
For me it is my Colt Government 380. Me and two friends shot side by side the Colt and the Beretta 84 and the recoil was more on the Beretta for all of us. Other soft recoiling .380ACP could be the Walther PK380.

mes228
February 16, 2012, 08:20 AM
As an aside to this thread. I was at a range with several pistols shooting with a friend (ex champion Bullseye competitor). Among the pistols he brought to the range was a Colt .380 (the 1911 looking small pistol, I believe perhaps a "Pony" model). One of the pistols I brought was a Springfield XD Sub Compact in .40 caliber. We both were pleasantly surprised at how little recoil the sub compact XD had. We agreed the .40 was way less than the .380 Colt. Carrying size was pretty close. Of course the XD weighed more. The XD ran flawless and was quite accurate (at 15 yards about 3" groups of 9 rounds). I've had several compacts and sub compact pistols. The XD in my opinion is the most usable and "carryable" I've found. I do not generally like sub compact pistols. The XD is an exception.

ZeSpectre
February 16, 2012, 08:57 AM
I'm in the Browning BDA camp though the .380 high point my friend owns is actually a nice shooter. Ugly as hell but nice to shoot.

snakeman
February 16, 2012, 09:00 AM
my vote goes to the hi point

The_Armed_Therapist
February 16, 2012, 09:02 AM
Don't let size alone be your guide. I have extensively shot a Beretta 84 and it stings the webbing of my hand every time. It does not, however sting my wife, brothers-in-law, or father-in-law. I tried adjusting my grip and it helped a little, but finally decided that I'm not changing my grip. The Kel-Tec P3A-T, Smith BG380, and Kahr P380s are all more comfortable to me in the recoil area.

Moral of the story, there are many factors, including user deficiencies such as mine. LOL... I have always thought that the Walther PK380 seems like it would feel really nice on recoil.

Pilot
February 16, 2012, 09:14 AM
That Llama .380 is the closest .380 to a 1911 ever made, but has a bad reputation. I own several, some as old as 1943, and really like them.


Are all of your Llama .380's locked breach? I have a Stoeger imported Llama, IIIa that is similar to yours except it is a blowback, and not locked breach. It was probably made in the 1970's, and I am guessing Llama changed the design from locked breach to blowback to cut costs. It is a good little shooter, and a miniature 1911.

I've always heard good things about these little gems, never anything bad, but obviously you have.

HisSoldier
February 16, 2012, 11:54 AM
It was probably made in the 1970's, and I am guessing Llama changed the design from locked breach to blowback to cut costs.

Llama seems to have always been near bankruptcy in the last half of that century, they also stopped the ball end mill cut at the lower front of the slide, looks funny.
You know you can find the year of most Spanish guns by reading the proofs, Llama usually put theirs just above the trigger on the left side. I'd bet your gun was made in the 80's.
If you google "spanish pistol date codes list", the second hit should be a "Star-Firearms.com" site, with the codes.
The other day I did a head to head target shoot of my PPK/s against one of my Star S models from a rest and was surprised that the Star won, and I always thought the PPK/s was the most accurate.

Byrd666
February 16, 2012, 12:13 PM
Not sure as there is a "soft" recoil for a .380. Less "snappy" is probably more the proper feel. At least for me. That being said, the CZ 83 or Walther PPK are the easiest handling for me. And I love my lil' CZ 83.

Geno
February 16, 2012, 03:21 PM
rcmodel:

Very true about the PPK/S! Lordy did that thing recoil...hurt my wrist, even. Kinda explains why I got rid of that. The weight to energy was way out of balance too.

Geno

cwl1862
February 16, 2012, 03:46 PM
Of the 380's that I own or have owned. they are in order softest to hardest.
1. Taurus PT58HC
2. Colt Govt 380
3. Beretta 84, Bersa Thunder 380 Plus, Walther PK380, CZ82 (9mm Mak) (4 way tie)
4. Ruger LCP
5. SIG 230 (thing bit me) (My hand is too large for this weapon)

Certaindeaf
February 16, 2012, 03:53 PM
http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/9380/10373588_1.jpg

Orion8472
February 16, 2012, 07:04 PM
This gun has been a very tame .380acp. The F.I. Industries Model D.

http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr220/DaveCustomMade/FI380a-1.jpg

Peter M. Eick
February 16, 2012, 07:31 PM
Gov 380 is the softest I have. It makes my MD84 seem like a mule kicking in comparison.

loneviking
February 16, 2012, 08:05 PM
Browning BDA/Beretta 84 gets my vote. The first 2 rounds that I shot I stopped and checked the gun both times as I thought I might have a squib load. Much nicer than the Bodyguard .380 that I also have.

6actual
February 16, 2012, 10:29 PM
Colt Government 380 without a doubt

armarsh
February 16, 2012, 11:28 PM
You shoot one magazine out of this: http://seecamp.com/Product380-Large.jpg and then everything else will seem mild.

ScottieG59
February 17, 2012, 02:29 AM
Glock has a 380 ACP primarily for Europe, but I have heard of some being in the US. It is a bit large for a 380 and should have a light recoil.

I have a Browning BDA and it does not have much recoil.

Both the Glock 380 and the Browning BDA do not have locking breaches. I think that can make the recoil higher, but the guns are relatively larger.

I also have a Colt Mustang Plus II, in all steel, and it has light recoil and a locking breach.

I think some south of the border countries will have more choice in the 380 ACP, especially in places that forbid military rounds in civilian handguns.

allaroundhunter
February 17, 2012, 08:59 AM
Glock has a 380 ACP primarily for Europe, but I have heard of some being in the US. It is a bit large for a 380 and should have a light recoil.

Glock's .380s are illegal in the US

CPO15
February 17, 2012, 12:41 PM
Of those I own/owned, rated worst is the PPK, followed by the LCP, then by the MicroDesertEagle and (my favorite) the Kahr p380. The Kahr is a joy to shoot; it is everything I wanted the other three to be.

Armed 24/7
February 17, 2012, 03:50 PM
+1 on the Walther PK 380

SN13
February 17, 2012, 04:03 PM
Colt Mustang .380. (Sig P238 is a clone of the Colt).

Everyone who shoots it loves it compared to their own .380 pocket gun.

Find someone who owns one, or a range that will let you rent one. You won't be disappointed.

Stevie-Ray
February 17, 2012, 09:57 PM
I'd be interested in a comparo from somebody that has both a Browning BDA and a Bersa, as I think they would be comparable. I have shot a Walther PPK and found it rather easy, but it was my only .380 experience, as I simply didn't find a need for the cartridge. Had the P3AT come out before the P32, that might have changed. I did really want a Colt Mustang at one time, but $$$$$$

glenns
February 18, 2012, 01:54 AM
Oxymoron: soft shooting .380

Rex B
May 28, 2012, 04:36 PM
Old thread, I know, I've been away.

+1 on colt Govt. 380

I have about 15 380s. The bigger, all steel, locked breech pistols all are about the same. The Colt and the Star have a slightly wider grip. I can't tell the difference between them on recoil

TennJed
May 28, 2012, 05:10 PM
Makarov has to be up there. Mine shoots very softy

Aiko492
May 28, 2012, 05:13 PM
Not the Kahr P380, felt like the Mafia beat my hand with a hammer.

Coop45
May 28, 2012, 05:18 PM
Kahr P380. Soft and sweet shooting too.

flyskater
May 28, 2012, 05:56 PM
Glock 25 beats all of them

Mr.Davis
May 28, 2012, 06:18 PM
I hate the pistol for a number of reasons, but my wife's Walther PK380 is very soft recoiling.

Mr.Davis
May 28, 2012, 06:19 PM
Oxymoron: soft shooting .380

If you're talking about pocket .380s, maybe. But there are plenty of soft-recoiling larger .380 pistols.

Gary A
May 28, 2012, 06:38 PM
Today, 09:13 PM * #45
Aiko492

Not the Kahr P380, felt like the Mafia beat my hand with a hammer.
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Today, 09:18 PM * #46
Coop45

Kahr P380. Soft and sweet shooting too.

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The above two posts, right next to each other are proof positive that there is no objective answer to these questions. Perception is everything!
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Aiko492
May 28, 2012, 08:58 PM
Gary, you are soo right. Guess that is what makes the world go 'round.

pps
May 28, 2012, 11:05 PM
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I'd vote for the SIG P-232.

The one I have is the softest shooting, most accurate .380 I have ever shot.

The nearly two pound loaded CZ-83 should qualify as soft shooting, but I have never shot one.

RC, I've shot the sig p232 side by side with my CZ83....DAMN CLOSE! The sig is slimmer in the grip and has the good looks of a ppk...the CZ (in free states) holds 13+1. They shoot almost the same....both are tack drivers out to 25 yards.

Took my 10 year old boy out today to shoot the CZ83 and he did just fine with shooting it....he DOES have a bit of difficulty with the slide though...as does his mom.

Orion8472
May 29, 2012, 09:07 AM
Here's a bit of information that shows just how subjective all these "which has softest recoil" threads actually are.

Paraphrasing [and in reference to the Kahr P380]:

Aiko492 [post #45] - Feels like hand was hit by a hammer...

Coop45 [post #46] - Soft shooting...

One person's experience isn't going to be anothers. As a rule, however, something with a bit more weight and with some sort of rubber grip will tend to feel softer shooting.

IdahoSkies
May 29, 2012, 06:08 PM
Quote: Originally Posted by ScottieG59
Glock has a 380 ACP primarily for Europe, but I have heard of some being in the US. It is a bit large for a 380 and should have a light recoil.

Quote: Originally Posted by allaroundhunter
Glock's .380s are illegal in the US

Doesn't mean they are everywhere or change the design.

C0untZer0
May 29, 2012, 06:13 PM
That Llama .380 is the closest .380 to a 1911 ever made

The Brazilian IMBEL (Indústria de Material Bélico do Brasil ):

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=165299&stc=1&d=1338329530

Commander sized pistol chambered in .380 ACP.

Another pretty soft-shooting 380 is the Beretta 86:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=165300&stc=1&d=1338329529

C0untZer0
May 29, 2012, 06:21 PM
To say that the Glock 25 and Glock 28 in 380 ACP are illegal in the U.S. is techically an erroneous statement.

They are not illegal to own.

Only law enforcement agencies and procurement agencies / departments of DOD can import the G25 and the G28.

If either the military (not just some service member), or some police agency imported these, it would be completely legal for them to turn around and sell them on the civiliam market, just as it would be legal for any civilian to purchase them.

It is an import restriction. Only military or LEA can import the G25 or G28 into the U.S.

cyclopsshooter
May 29, 2012, 06:25 PM
Another vote for the Colt Gov .380, they are pretty soft.

Robbins290
May 29, 2012, 06:47 PM
Colt mustang plus2. Longer handle. Nice soft shooting pistol. Wife eneded up with mine. Lol

contender
May 29, 2012, 07:31 PM
of true pocket pistols, the softest to date is the s&w bodyguard 380

the worst, far worst and most painful has been the grendel.....do not remember the model number on that one but it had an internal magazine.

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