Shooting Asian Carp with Shotguns? We’re Game!


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JerryC
February 16, 2012, 12:54 AM
http://www.petersenshunting.com/2012/02/15/shooting-asian-carp-with-shotguns-were-game/


Bill 5317, introduced by Rep. Dave Winters (R-Shirland), would allow a statewide pilot program that would “permit licensed individuals to shoot Asian carp with a shotgun off of a motorboat in the Illinois River beginning with the 2013 licensing year,” provided that said individuals have the proper licenses and are using a specific ammunition.

Sounds like fun, but I can't help but think what could go wrong with Shotguns, jumping fish, and boats speeding along on bumpy water.

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BigN
February 16, 2012, 03:37 AM
What could POSSIBLY go wrong there??? I'm afraid Bubba & buds would show up...

trueg50
February 16, 2012, 07:52 AM
Up in VT we can take the carp any way we please already.

fallout mike
February 16, 2012, 08:19 AM
My dad slaughters them during bow season here in mississippi. Last year he shot many 40#++.

MCgunner
February 16, 2012, 11:51 AM
I rather prefer bow fishing. Carp ain't worth much, but it makes GREAT trotline bait! :D I used to shoot buffalo suckers in the river for that reason, bait my hooks. Haven't run lines in a while. Great way to catch catfish, though, and they are about as yummy as fish gets.

fallout mike
February 16, 2012, 12:06 PM
Mcgunner, some people eat them here as well as buffalo. My dad sells some to fund his bowfishing gear and he gives some away. He is extremely good at it. I do it too but not at the level as him and, a couple of his buddies. They have it worked out to a science.

ThorinNNY
February 16, 2012, 12:20 PM
Seems to me I remember hearing about how people in some parts of Europe would buy LIVE carp ,early Christmas Eve morning, keep it a bathtub until just before they prepared their Christmas Eve supper.It was considered a special treat.

MCgunner
February 16, 2012, 12:32 PM
Carp and suckers have "interstitial bones" or bones in the muscle. I've heard steaming the meat will soften these, but I don't wanna mess with it. Plenty of good fish to eat, don't need trash fish, but they do make good bait.

I've eaten gar. The meat is tough and similar to gator tail. I fry little strips like gator tail is done or grind it, season, and bread and fry into "gar balls". Those are good. Gar is the only fish I'd eat that I have bowfished for, but I figure flounder is legal to bowfish for. I've taken a lot with a gig, but never with a bow. It'd be point blank, no sights necessary, would actually get in the way.

When I was doing all that bow fishing, I shot a recurve instinctive, no sights, missed way more'n I hit. I have a PSE kingfisher recurve now and a hoyt compound. I really prefer the recurve as the draw is faster. Your shots are usually quick on gar as they come up to gobble air, not much time for the draw. Best time for gar is on a hot, windless day. The dissolved oxygen concentration gets down to 2 PPM, those gar have a "red body" in their swim bladders that absorbs oxygen from air that they come up to gulp, almost like a lung, but not nearly as efficient. It keeps 'em alive, though, and also makes 'em good targets when they come up for air. :D

fallout mike
February 16, 2012, 01:24 PM
For bowfishing with a compound , 40# draw is plenty. We don't eat those fish either.

Cosmoline
February 16, 2012, 01:57 PM
Are those the fish that fly through the air? Hmmm Could be a whole NEW kind of shotgun fishing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb8OmEr7VqI

D Rat
February 16, 2012, 02:31 PM
In Nebraska back in the day.
We fished an ate Grass Carp.
Try smoking
If you deep fry it score it first,dam good eats.

adelbridge
February 16, 2012, 03:48 PM
They already wasted hundreds of millions on an electric "fence" to keep them from getting into the great lakes. they are desperate.

RevolvingGarbage
February 16, 2012, 05:09 PM
They will probably specify that you can only use non-toxic steel or other non-lead birdshot shot for shooting the carp.

MCgunner
February 16, 2012, 05:24 PM
They will probably specify that you can only use non-toxic steel or other non-lead birdshot shot for shooting the carp.

Oh, man, another use for my 10 gauge and steel T shot. :D

wildchild2010
February 17, 2012, 01:11 PM
They will probably specify that you can only use non-toxic steel or other non-lead birdshot shot for shooting the carp.
Ya that lead shot on the water at $25 per shell can be an expensive day out hunting fish or waterfowl.

buck460XVR
February 17, 2012, 05:11 PM
Sounds like fun, but I can't help but think what could go wrong with Shotguns, jumping fish, and boats speeding along on bumpy water.

It's hard to believe that a state that will not allow law abiding citizens to legally carry a concealed weapon for protection, would endorse such a Bubba-Fest. Go figure...........

Owen
February 17, 2012, 05:57 PM
I've already got my gear loaded and waiting for a friend with a boat...

ACP230
February 19, 2012, 12:24 AM
I have been thinking for a while that they could be "flushed" with remote control boats.
(They jump when a boat goes over them, apparently).
Then the shotgunner in the real boat...

Coop45
February 19, 2012, 12:36 AM
Mossberg 590 carp gun........hmmmmm!!

SEE IT LIKE A NATIVE
February 19, 2012, 04:20 AM
Carpe Diem ?

newbuckeye
February 19, 2012, 07:19 AM
Carpe Diem ?

:neener:

Frogomatik
February 21, 2012, 03:13 PM
wouldn't it be more like "Carpe Carp"?

Owen
February 21, 2012, 08:06 PM
im not sure how much carp there will be to seize after getting hit with a load of birdshot

.45Guy
February 21, 2012, 08:35 PM
Just found this video, if these are the same Carp, I'd pay money to do a little shooting! http://youtu.be/Yhfd9dIkXEk

Cosmoline
February 21, 2012, 09:13 PM
Yeah I believe those are the airborne monsters. The reason anti-gun Illinois is thinking about unleashing the shotguns is simply that this is a virulent invasive species that literally out-eats the native fish. They're like vacuum cleaners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_carp

Ditchtiger
February 21, 2012, 09:41 PM
When I first saw them on the news a while back I thought, shotgun practice.

Zoogster
February 23, 2012, 11:54 PM
While I can certainly selfishly see the entertainment and fun in going out and shooting fish swimming around for recreation, and justifying it because the animal is an invasive problem, it seems to be forgetting something:



From my understanding the primary reason for the rules against lead shot use on waterfowl is not because there is a problem with the animal being shot with lead shot.
Rather the problem is all the pellets that miss and go into the water. Those pellets then are ingested by other birds such as ducks from the bottom of the lakes and rivers. These animals swallow rocks to use in their gizzard to grind food. When they pick up lead pellets they get ground into readily absorbed tiny particles of lead and poison the animal.


Well just because it is not birds being shot at, and fish instead, it would still seem you would get the exact same result using lead shot to shoot fish.

A lot of poisoned birds.


Considering the most common cheap shot used by the majority of people is lead, I imagine the majority of people shooting carp would be shooting them with ammo like the bulk packs from Walmart.
Not steel shot.

So won't it simply result in maximizing how many lead pellets are put into rivers and lakes in the area, in even greater amounts than hunters shooting at birds did?


If people have to use expensive ammunition to kill something many won't even want to eat, will the program still be a success. How many Bubbas will be using cheap Walmart bulk packs anyways?
Do game wardens inspect people to insure ammo compliance?
It would seem the primary people that would be targeted to participate in the program if they wanted success would be recreational fishermen. But if it's complicated or requires an additional license I don't think it would have much impact on the population because few would participate. While if it is casual and any recreational fishermen can blast at the carp they see, I see a lot of Bubbas shooting lead into the water on a massive scale rather than using the proper more expensive ammunition.

osprey176
February 24, 2012, 02:57 AM
This sort of activity is done in Florida,The ride offshore to the "spot" can be long.But when the flying fish show up, getting there is half the fun!Many captains keep a shotgun on board,and the little baitfish darting up and gliding just over the surface are quite the challenge.You can see where you hit,so it helps to figure out the lead. Not much left after a hit for bait,but it is chum.

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