CZ75 Versus Beretta 92FS/M9


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BBDartCA
February 18, 2012, 11:21 PM
Looking for a nice heavy full size steel 9mm. Which of these two would be your choice? Also have in mind Browning High Power or another IMI Jericho.

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rcmodel
February 18, 2012, 11:25 PM
Weel, the Beretta 92/M9 has an aluminum alloy frame.

So, I guess that's that for that?

But was it me?
I think every young man should have a passing knowledge and some shooting experiance with the current GI issue service pistol.
Just to see what those young men who serve our country are using if nothing else.

So I'd get a M-9 (civilian version of course).

rc

OlShooty
February 18, 2012, 11:32 PM
I've never shot the CZ, but I have a 92FS. It was my first centerfire pistol, and shoots like a dream. On a good day I can cut a jagged hole @ 10yds.

Jeb21
February 19, 2012, 02:15 AM
I have the cz 75b, the beretta 92fs and the Browning hi-power. They are all excellent guns and no matter which one you buy you will be happy. The cz is the heaviest of the three and for me has the best grip angle. The cz can be carried cocked and locked like the browning or with the hammer down on a chambered round like the beretta. The cz is a little harder to find holsters for but other than that it is just as accurate, reliable, and fun to shoot as the other two.

The browning will probably be the most expensive of the three. Also I don't like the mag disconnect safety, as it affects the trigger pull so I had mine removed by a very competent gunsmith. The browning should be carried cocked and locked or with a hammer down on an empty chamber (I prefer cocked and locked). It is a classic handgun that was or is issued to armies all over the world and it a real pleasure to own and shoot.

My favorite of the three is the Beretta 92fs. It is bigger than the other two and you must master the DA and the SA trigger pull if you want to shoot this weapon effectively. I have used mine for competition and as my CCW gun (it is not that hard to conceal with a good IWB holster). I have never had a malfunction with the gun and I can shoot it well. In fact, when I started using the Beretta in IDPA competitions, I went from the middle of the pack to near the top of the heap. The gun is that good.

I would handle all three, maybe shoot them if possible before you buy.

777TRUTH
February 19, 2012, 07:07 AM
I love both. I wouldn't couldn't choose one over the other, both are great shooters for range/HD.

You will have a great gun either way. If you can get both do it. You will not be disappointed.

partricp
February 19, 2012, 07:43 AM
I have a taurus pt92 and much prefer it to the M9 that I carried for 6 years. The frame mounted safety is much easier for one handed operation. The Hi-Power is a really nice weapon as is anything from CZ. Hard to go wrong with any of those choices.

JTQ
February 19, 2012, 07:52 AM
I'd also pick the Beretta. As big and fat as the Beretta grips are, I can still reach the Beretta controls (trigger and safety) easier than I can reach those on the CZ. I was a fan of the Beretta Vertec model when it was available.

hAkron
February 19, 2012, 08:06 AM
Your IMI Jericho is essentially a CZ 75 clone with a slide mounted safety. In general both the CZ 75 and the Beretta 92 are going to be accurate soft shooting great guns. The trigger on the CZ will probably end up being slightly lighter than the Beretta after they are both broken in. The Beretta trigger will be a bit longer of a pull with a little more take up. The Beretta might be more comfortable for somebody who has larger hands, but I have average hands and both feel great to me. Both excellent guns. I wouldn't hesitate to recomend either one.

mizer67
February 19, 2012, 08:16 AM
I've shot the 92, CZ 75 Shadow and a CZ Shadow SAO.

Of the three, the SAO Shadow had the nicest trigger and was the easiest to shoot well. No learning two trigger pulls also.

The Shadow SA/DA had a 13 lb. hammer and 11 lb. recoil springs installed, and was very good. Reliability with hard primers was not 100%, but the DA was very good and smooth. SA was not as good as the SAO.

The 92 was the heaviest in DA, SA and reset were not as good or short as the CZs, and the controls weren't as well positioned for my hands.

A CZ 75 without a FPB and in SAO would be my choice based on my experience.

Pilot
February 19, 2012, 09:31 AM
I made this decision many years ago. I shot the 92FS extensively, then the CZ-75. I chose the CZ as it fit my hand better, and was more accurate in my hands. I liked the trigger better also, the frame mounted safety, and the ability to either carry DA firs shot at the half cock notch or cocked and locked. I also prefer the CZ line of pistols which includes several compact, light alloy and polymer framed models to choose from. They all share the great ergonomics, accuracy and reliability.

marine 97-03
February 19, 2012, 10:25 AM
CZ 75....and if u wanna go with less weight ...CZ 75 p-07

jim243
February 19, 2012, 10:44 AM
CZ75 Versus Beretta 92FS/M9

Both good choices, but I would go with the Taurus PT-92 instead of the Beretta because the safety is on the frame instead of the slide.

Jim

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tt5
February 19, 2012, 11:08 AM
If you are looking to buy soon, the decision may be made for you by supply.

There seems to be a shortage of steel CZ pistols right now. I read on another forum that the supply should loosen up again in a couple of months. When i made the rounds of the local stores I found plenty of the plastic CZ75 SP01 phantoms though. and lots of 92FS/M9/M9A1's and taurus pt92's

I found one though, and my steel SP01 is in the mail.

chicharrones
February 19, 2012, 11:16 AM
I owned a Beretta 92FS for 5 years and sold it last summer. As much as I like the styling, how well it functioned, and how well it could shoot I chose to let it go to get a 9mm pistol that fit me better.

I chose a CZ75D PCR. It fits my hand much better and it has no slide mounted safety that I had to stab with my thumb instead of flick with my thumb. Well, I moved away from a manual safety anyway with my CZ so that is something else I suppose.

Because of the size of the Beretta and the size of my hands I had to consciously put the Beretta in my hand for accurate pointing. The CZ goes in my hand correctly almost every time from just picking it up. For me, it is a natural pointer from first grasp.

Everyone is built different though. :)

JDGray
February 19, 2012, 11:42 AM
CZ all the way! Had a 92FS, hated the fat bastard, not to mention the slide mounted safety. The CZ is a better fit for me, but the trigger reach in DA is long, so definately go hold them before you buy. I have only 3 CZs left in my collection, a CZ75B-SA, CZ75B compact, and a CZ40B, all great shooters!:)

Lothar
February 19, 2012, 12:05 PM
I own a Beretta 92A1 and a Browning Hi-Power, and I handled a CZ 75B SA in a gun store. Based on my research (not having had an opportunity to fire one), I was all determined to buy the CZ if I liked the way it felt, the day I walked into the gun store. When I picked it up though, in comparison with my BHP, I wasn't particularly impressed with its ergonomics or its trigger. The BHP's trigger isn't great out of the box either, but can very easily be made good by removing the magazine disconnector. I can't speak to how well the CZ shoots, but the consensus seems to be that it is a great shooter.

Between the Beretta and the BHP, there's no contest. The Hi-Power is a true masterpiece of ergonomics, and I have never held another handgun that feels so perfect in my hand. I've put over 1800 rounds through it since I bought it, and the only malfunction I had with it was a single failure to feed on the very first magazine I ever loaded into it. Once it broke in, it has fired flawlessly.

The Beretta 92 (any variant) is a really well-made, exceptionally reliable (I've never had a single malfunction with mine), and very accurate gun. What I don't like about it is that it is ridiculously huge for a 9mm pistol. I would never seriously consider carrying one concealed (though plenty of people do with no problems), though I have no problem concealing my BHP.

Any of the three choices would be a fine handgun to own, depending on what you want to do with it.

Pilot
February 19, 2012, 12:26 PM
Now there is a tougher question. BHP vs. CZ-75. I couldn't decide, so I have both. It I had to keep one it would be the BHP, but fortunately, I don't have to make that decision.

Martowski
February 19, 2012, 12:35 PM
I own all three and as others have pointed out, all are very high quality pistols capable of a lifetime of enjoyment. Given that, I would take the Beretta easily over the other two. The CZ has a VERY long DA reach, and the SA pull cams the hammer at the end and eliminates a clean break. The Hi Power can have a tough pull which can be lightened by removing the magazine safety, but even as such my Hi Power still breaks around 6.5 - 7 lbs. The Beretta has the smoothest DA pull of all my DA/SA handguns, and the SA pull breaks nicely around 5 lbs. It fills the hand nicely and controls are easily reachable.

Lothar
February 19, 2012, 02:23 PM
I own all three and as others have pointed out, all are very high quality pistols capable of a lifetime of enjoyment. Given that, I would take the Beretta easily over the other two. The CZ has a VERY long DA reach, and the SA pull cams the hammer at the end and eliminates a clean break. The Hi Power can have a tough pull which can be lightened by removing the magazine safety, but even as such my Hi Power still breaks around 6.5 - 7 lbs. The Beretta has the smoothest DA pull of all my DA/SA handguns, and the SA pull breaks nicely around 5 lbs. It fills the hand nicely and controls are easily reachable.

The camming on the CZ can be eliminated with some gunsmithing, but that might indeed be an issue for somebody who wants a good trigger pull out of the box.

I had a similar complaint as you do about a heavy pull on the Hi-Power, even after removing the magazine disconnect, but I managed to get it down to about 4.5 lbs after installing a lighter mainspring and a Garthwaite competition trigger. Again though, that takes a bit of work, though I was able to do it all myself, and I'm no gunsmith. Comparing my self-customized Hi-Power with a professionally-customized CZ 75 SA Target that I repeatedly dry-fired in a gun store (with the gun shop's permission), I though the trigger was better on my Hi-Power. The CZ trigger still had a bit of creep to it, though there was no camming action at all on this model.

I had no real complaint with the feel of the out-of-the-box trigger on the Beretta 92A1, except that it convinced me that I don't like the weight of double-action triggers. Its single-action pull is just fine, though it can't be locked in single-action like the Beretta or CZ 75B can. Since I now prefer cocked-and-locked carry, the Beretta is just a range gun for me now, albeit a perfectly good one.

towboat_er
February 19, 2012, 02:30 PM
CZs ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Adam the Gnome
February 20, 2012, 09:57 PM
I may be biased but that Italian beauty has some curves on her! Have never shot the other two but why decide? Just choose any of em to start with ;)

hAkron
February 20, 2012, 10:26 PM
The cz is a little harder to find holsters for

PCR - Sig P229 (non 'R') holster
75B - Sig P226 (non 'R') holster
P-01/06 - Sig P229R holster

Many Galco Sig P226/9 holsters include CZ in the 'also fits' list

---edit--- I should also qualify, I'm speaking about leather holsters. Kydex or the like may be a different story.

Carter
February 21, 2012, 12:08 AM
PCR - Sig P229 (non 'R') holster
75B - Sig P226 (non 'R') holster
P-01/06 - Sig P229R holster

Many Galco Sig P226/9 holsters include CZ in the 'also fits' list

I found my CZ phantom fit several sig holsters and a few glock 21 holsters. Some H&K shoulder rigs fit as well (from galco). However, its one of those things where you should try before you buy. A lot of people are making holster for CZ's now. And Falco is my default source for my phantom.

I'd pick the CZ over the beretta. I'm just not a fan of the Beretta.

nathan
February 21, 2012, 01:03 AM
The CZ wins in my opinion. I like the CZ 85 B with the ambidextrous decocker.

Pilot
February 21, 2012, 06:16 AM
My CZ PCR rides in a Galco Shadow II holster designed for the Sig P228/P229. It actually fits better than my Sig P228 as the Sig is too tight.

dcarch
February 22, 2012, 10:18 AM
CZ-75 every day of the week. The slide inside the frame is the best feature of the gun, IMHO.

Ankeny
February 22, 2012, 11:14 AM
I like the 75B and I shot one in USPSA Production division for quite a while. I do know you will see more shooters using CZ's than Berettas in IPSC competition across the globe. I think it is because they are easier for most folks to run.

PO2Hammer
February 22, 2012, 02:40 PM
Both are very nice.
IME, the Beretta shoots 'softer' despite it's alloy frame. I don't consider my standard CZ 75B to be a low recoil 9mm. The frame is very light for a steel one, and there's little weight up high and out front, resulting is quite a bit of muzzle rise. I would rate it as equal to the Sig P226 in the recoil department.

The CZ 75B is the most accurate of the double stack 9mm's I've owned, far ahead of the Beretta and just edging out the P226.

I would look at one of the CZ's with some weight in the dust cover area like the SP01 or the Tactical Sport.

A steel framed Sig might be another candidate.

9mm 1911's are the softest shooting 9mm's I've ever fired.

Pilot
February 22, 2012, 03:56 PM
IME, the Beretta shoots 'softer' despite it's alloy frame. I don't consider my standard CZ 75B to be a low recoil 9mm. The frame is very light for a steel one, and there's little weight up high and out front, resulting is quite a bit of muzzle rise. I would rate it as equal to the Sig P226 in the recoil department.



That's interesting. My experience is exactly the opposite. The inside the frame rails provide the CZ with a lower bore axis, and LESS muzzle rise for me. The 75B is a relatively heavy, all steel pistol also.

HDCamel
February 22, 2012, 05:07 PM
Cz is more versatile... but the Beretta is WAY easier to disassemble.

I like em both a lot, but if I had to pick one I'd pick the Cz.

Bozwell
February 22, 2012, 05:17 PM
That's interesting. My experience is exactly the opposite. The inside the frame rails provide the CZ with a lower bore axis, and LESS muzzle rise for me. The 75B is a relatively heavy, all steel pistol also.
That certainly hasn't been my experience either. I've seen some Sig's that have pronounced muzzle flip and others that are pretty stable, but all of my CZ's, even the compacts, are very soft shooting guns for a 9mm (which is saying something). The CZ can also have an absolutely fantastic trigger with the right work done to it. I personally prefer the frame-mounted safety on the CZ to the slide-mounted safety on the 92fs. Overall, while I love the look of the 92FS, I'd go with a CZ 75B variant when purchasing a shooter.

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