What gun surprised you the most?


February 19, 2012, 03:59 PM
A month or so ago I had the itch for a new/ or new to me target type 22 ... was leaning to a S&W 41 and found one at a local show ... also on the same table I noticed an old Hi-Standard Trophy that looked horrible. The dealer said it had come from Puerto Rico. It had probably been laying on a piece of cloth or something that had wicked the oil off of one side, allowing the salt air to do the damage ... I took an instant liking to the gun and he cut me a great deal for both!


I took it out and shot it yesterday and it was amazingly accurate; it seems I shoot better with it than any other 22 pistol I own, including the S&W 41 and even my long time favorite Buckmark Signature ... go figure :rolleyes:

Here's the family ...

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February 19, 2012, 04:17 PM
You can be proud of your family.

I'm curious about ammo preferences...have you found that each has its own preference for a brand of ammo that it shoots best with, or have you found one brand that all of them like?

February 19, 2012, 05:58 PM
The Ruger and Buckmark, in general both shoot pretty well with PMC Sidewinders so I bought a couple cases of that several years ago before the big ammo price hike; that's what I shot in the S&W and the Hi-Standard ... while its better than the Remington Golden bullet from Wally World and I know Sidewinders aren't the best but its kind of my benchmark ammo.

I haven't sat down to shoot serious groups yet so if anyone has an ammo their gun prefers ... please chime in!

February 19, 2012, 06:06 PM
I had a ND in my bedroom a few years ago...so I'd say my AR.
Surprised the heck out of me!:what:

February 19, 2012, 06:46 PM
Taurus five-shot snubbie 41 Mag. It does 2" groups at 25 yards. I am more than a little amazed and pleased.

February 19, 2012, 06:50 PM
The Hammerli Trailside I bought for my wife - freaky accurate!

February 19, 2012, 07:24 PM
Honestly it was a Makarov. I know these guns have a good reputation, but after buying one for $199, I am shocked at what a great value it is

February 19, 2012, 07:37 PM
Brno#1 .22LR Bought it on Auction Arms for about $300 a couple of years ago. Made in Czechoslovakia in the 1940's. it is one accurate little rifle. I've shot a personal best at 50 yards, it continues to surprise me.

February 19, 2012, 07:37 PM
Smith Bodyguard .380. I had very low expectations for it as it was very inexpensive and looked kind of cheap. I figured it was a 2 yard Max belly gun. Not at all! Great 7 yard groups and absolutely zero failures in the first 300 rounds. It's my wife's gun, but I feel pretty good about her carrying it.

February 19, 2012, 07:52 PM
Sig P250

Didn't expect much from it, but it really is a very good gun if you're used to DAO guns.

February 19, 2012, 10:02 PM
Rock Island Armory 1911A1 Compact - most accuate .45 I own...

February 19, 2012, 10:06 PM
Charter Arms Bulldog Pug .44. Amazingly accurate for a (relatively) inexpensive snub.

Phoenix Arms HP-22. Very pleasant shooter, extremely accurate. Only downer is they seem to wear fairly quickly. But what can one expect for $100, I guess?

Howa M-1500 Varminter .223. Paid $369 for it at wally world, it was probably the most accurate factory gun I've ever owned, half MOA and better with a variety of ammo. I sold it to fund a Ruger KM77VT .220 Swift, which is still darned accurate (.7 MOA @ 200 yards). Should have kept it, but .223 was coming up short on the far-out praire rats. I sold it to a good friend, though, and he's enjoying the heck out of it, so it's not all bad.

February 19, 2012, 10:44 PM
Glock 30 - the gun I found that I hated to love.

February 19, 2012, 11:57 PM
My little .22 magnum Revolver Derringer from Charter Arms...........

February 20, 2012, 09:34 AM
Without a doubt my Dan Wesson model 15...shoots even practice ammo into tiny little groups as far as I care to shoot it.

February 20, 2012, 09:44 AM
I wrote about my most positive surprise. How about the flip-side? My Browning Hi-Power circa 2003 was my biggest surprise/disappointment. Beautiful, fills the hand, points naturally, costs a pretty penny..... fails to lock open, stove pipes, horrible trigger (mushy, gritty). I was very surprised, indeed.

February 20, 2012, 09:53 AM
The CZ-82. For the money they cost, an awesome shooter.
If ya ain't tried one, you should.

February 20, 2012, 09:57 AM
My big surprise came when I shot my VZ-58 for the first time. I have most of the "black rifles", but the VZ is by far the most fun to shoot.

February 20, 2012, 10:19 AM
S&W 642. Everybody rants and raves about them. I got one and didn't like it at all. I'm just not a snubby kinda guy, despite being a revolver fan. I was really surprised.

El Mariachi
February 20, 2012, 10:21 AM
Every time we do a range trip I get pleasantly surprised.....and yesterday was no exception. Met up with a few of our sailing friends at Angeles Shooting Range and my wife & I quickly discovered that they're more g-nutz than we are. In no particular order, here are a few of their toys that we got to shoot for the first time yesterday-----loved them all;

Colt Navy black powder revolver (big ugly round ball shooter-of-fun).

Walther P-1.

Older Buckmark .22 pistol (wife likes it as much as her Ruger MKIII. Can you say Mother's Day present?).

Original boxed/complete Parker 12 gauge SxS, circa 1909. Wow. Just wow.

Uberti lever with the brass(?) receiver & gorgeous furniture in .38. Me likey.

Old Marlin 45/70. Me likey a helluva lot).

A polished stainless Vaquero in .357. For some reason I can shoot this better than my Blackhawk in the same caliber. Felt perfectly balanced in my hand.

But the highlight of the day definitely was when my friend graciously allowed me to run rounds #11 thru #15 down the barrel of his Grandfather's 1930's perfect condition Woodsmaster 81, chambered in .300 Savage. An absolutely gorgeous piece of Americana. His grandad bought this new & had shot only ten rounds thru this rifle before putting it away. His own father had never even shot it, nor had my friend----until yesterday that is. I was awed. Free handing I pinged the metal plate a hundred yards out 4 times out of five. I've been wanting one of these since the first time I saw one------and now I just want one even more......:D

All in all, 'twas a very exciting & surprising day.

February 20, 2012, 10:26 AM
The 7 MM mag, Wow what a kick, a lot more than a 30-06.

February 20, 2012, 10:45 AM
My biggest surprise was a MAB PA-15 that I had years ago. Built like the proverbial tank for police/military use, this gun with fixed sights, a stock trigger, and with any 9mm. ammo, could easily keep up in the accuracy department with a Colt Gold Cup that I also owned. I also had a Star Model B that was great at putting some very nice groups together as well.

February 20, 2012, 11:06 AM
Rock Island Armory 1911A1 38 super 1/2 moa at 25 yd. & my Rem. 40x 22Long Rifle same hole most of the time at 50 yd. & my two star BM9 9mm. about the size of a comander ,a littel smaller framed but shot as good as mt R.I. 38 super.

February 20, 2012, 11:18 AM
<flinches> The IntraTec TEC-9.

You hear a lot of bad stuff about this series on forums and such, but if you use factory magazines and round-nose FMJ (like the manual says) it will fire every time you pull the trigger.

It's not accurate or ergonomical, but that's besides the point.

February 20, 2012, 12:31 PM
Steir AUG - looks strange, but best ergonomy in "black rifle" i've ever met.

February 20, 2012, 12:57 PM
Most negative surprise: A Smith and Wesson 6" 686 .357 mag that I accepted as payment for a debt. Point of impact was 10 inches low and 12 inches to left of point of aim at 10 yards, even with sights adjusted to the max. It continued down the trading trail (new owner informed of course.)

Most positive surprise: How well a pair of Ruger Old Army percussion revolvers shot with round balls. Both are fixed sight guns for use in CAS Frontiersman category. They print to point of aim and give cloverleaf clusters at 10 yards with blackpowder under round balls.

February 20, 2012, 12:59 PM
My kids 770 rem. 270 win. i would not want to be a golf ball at 100yrds. on practice day.

February 20, 2012, 01:10 PM
xDm .40. Figured it would be about the same as a Glock (not a bad thing at all) but the ergos were fantastic. Fit my hand like a glove.

February 20, 2012, 03:15 PM
Most surprising Good- 50th anniversary Ruger Blackhawk .44, nearly cloverleafed with a few mild flyers the first time it was in hand. Great feel.

Most surprising Humorous- Shooting my first bowling pin on a steep hillside... with the Argentine Mauser... Standing arrow straight with my feet much closer together than they should have been. Down the hill I went, end-over-end, but the Pin lost everything above the neck. :D

Most surprising Bad- Finding out that my hands are large and oddly built enough that the slide of a Glock is aimed at the tip of the bone of my thumb. Not the flesh... the bone. Just too stupid to own one I guess :scrutiny:

I know that I can get aftermarket Beavertails, but sticking things on annoys me.

February 20, 2012, 05:13 PM
My Bushmaster, looks just like the Nam era M16s. Added a scope to the carry handle, took the first load out of the book, LC brass, 55 Sierra sp, and the starting load of Varget and it gave me, after sighting in, 1 1/2", 1", and 5/8" with a follow up 3/4" groups...all five shots, all at 100 yards. Never had a box stock, milspec gun do anything like that. Heck, even my pre-64 Model 70, "rifleman's rifle", pride and joy, took several years of fooling around to find that magical inch group.

February 20, 2012, 05:16 PM
T/C Arms Contender, with a 10" blued barrel. Chambered in .22LR match. That was the most accurate firearm I have ever owned.

February 20, 2012, 06:02 PM
300 WSM. It didn't hurt me nearly as bad as I thought it would...

February 20, 2012, 06:17 PM
Most negative surprise: A Smith and Wesson 6" 686 .357 mag that I accepted as payment for a debt. Point of impact was 10 inches low and 12 inches to left of point of aim at 10 yards, even with sights adjusted to the max. It continued down the trading trail (new owner informed of course.)

Most positive surprise: How well a pair of Ruger Old Army percussion revolvers shot with round balls. Both are fixed sight guns for use in CAS Frontiersman category. They print to point of aim and give cloverleaf clusters at 10 yards with blackpowder under round balls.
I had the same gun. I couldn't hit a bull in the ass at ten feet with that gun no matter what you did with the sights.

February 20, 2012, 06:43 PM
CZ-82, I heard good things about it and I thought what hell for $200 I'll get one. I wasn't expecting something all that great for $200 Wow was I surprised.

February 20, 2012, 06:47 PM
Savage 1917:

I bought it because:

I like collecting and shooting old guns
I thought it was good-looking
I like Savage
I enjoy shooting .32ACP in my 1903 Colt
I thought I could fix the hard, crunchy, springy, trigger

I sold it because:
I couldn't fix the hard, crunchy, springy trigger,and I could not hit a thing with it. I was fortunate to get back what I paid for it, so no harm done.


February 20, 2012, 06:52 PM
My new Smith & Wesson model 638 Crimson Trace Airweight 38 +P. After I got the laser dialed in I put 5 shots in almost the same hole at 15 yards.

Phantom Captain
February 20, 2012, 07:12 PM
TennJed said:
Honestly it was a Makarov. I know these guns have a good reputation, but after buying one for $199, I am shocked at what a great value it is

Totally agree 100% and feel the same way. I expected it to be good but not this good. It's utterly reliable, accurate and concealable. Mine goes literelly everywhere with me and it's always on me. No FTEs or FTFs and that's with about 1200 rounds through mine. I LOVE it. I was honestly really surprised at how taken I was with a completely affordable eastern bloc milsurp but there it is.

PS I'm carrying Buffalo Bore FNHC 115 grainers and am completely happy with them and have total confidence in both the pistol and the ammo.

February 20, 2012, 07:28 PM
For me it is a used customized 10/22 I picked up a couple of weeks ago. I was one of the neglected children, never had a 10/22 as a kid.

I was absolutely shocked how accurate and fun to shoot this thing is.

February 20, 2012, 10:47 PM
Picked up a Rossi .357 for $250 at Academy awhile back. A nightstand gun, I just wanted something to go bang every time and didn't expect much more. It's definitly not pretty but it turns out the trigger is really nice and the thing is freakishly accurate with cheapo Walmart .38's.

February 20, 2012, 11:51 PM
For me it was my XD40. I'd always thought that 40s were very snappy and unpleasant to shoot. Even high range loads out of it just feel like a stout 9mm. It's my favorite pistol now.

February 21, 2012, 12:03 AM
My father has a colt detective special snubbie that is crazy accurate. I shoot tighter groups with that than I do with most of my guns. If I get one gun from his estate that would be my choice.

February 21, 2012, 01:09 AM
Glock 19. It couldn't be as good as all that blather made it out to be could it? Well, no, it couldn't - because it was actually even better once in hand and fired. Especially with hot ammo like my carry load - RA9TA. It's actually more pleasant to shoot that than the lower pressure stuff I bought for practice... :doh:

February 21, 2012, 10:30 AM
What gun surprised me the most in a good way? A Russian .380 Makarov that belongs to my Grandfather. It has an unbelievably comfortable fit to my hand. Do I wish the caliber was a little larger? Yea, but with heavy loads it's about equal to a standard 9mm, so I wouldn't be too upset about it. Hopefully, I'll own one for myself soon.

What gun surprised me the most when I first shot it? My 16" Saiga .308. I had to be careful because I was gonna set off a few car alarms if I shot quickly enough! :D

The gun that surprised me the most in a bad way though was my EAA Witness polymer framed .45 ACP. It was a ported compact model. Magazines cost a small fortune, the gun only worked *maybe* 60% of the time, the trigger was so bad God would have thrown up using it, and the muzzle blast out of that little 3" ported barrel was like setting off a firework 18" in front of your face. I didn't keep that one around too long...

February 21, 2012, 11:18 AM
Biggest surprise: My brother-in-law's Browning 1922 .380. Picking it up, it felt like a rusty old slab of war junk, but off hand I shot silver dollar sized holes at 10 yards all day long. I didn't want to put it down. It was nuts.

Biggest disappointment: Browning High Power. Always wanted one, expected it to shoot like a 1911 chambered in 9mm, but the mile long trigger felt like it was dragging on sandpaper, it felt unbalanced (top heavy) in my hands, and my targets looked like I'd been shooting a 12GA. Sold it and bought another, hoping for a better result the second time around. Beautiful gun, mildly better trigger, but still shoots like ****. I can't feel the trigger reset to save my life.

It remains a safe queen. I'm sure eventually I'll sell it, and two years later buy another one.

February 21, 2012, 02:08 PM
Best: Beautiful (98%?) High Standard Trophy, three barrels, two slides (one for LR one for short's only) one mag for LR, two mags for shorts, tools, book, custom case. Only things missing were the barrel weights. Bought it for my wife for her birthday a couple years ago.

Our 13 year old grand-daughter shot out a 1" bulls eye (5X for 5 rounds) the second magazine she shot with it. First magazine (5 rounds) would have scored 47 with 2X (@25' measured) I'm not that good anymore, but that Trophy is...super weapon

February 21, 2012, 02:46 PM
For me, it was my 30-30 Marlin lever action. I had been shooting for about 25 years at that point and got one just to have one (round out the collection). I was mostly a semi-auto shooter. I think it sat for 3 to 6 months before I took it out. I fell in love with it to the point that about 75% of the time it is what I take out to shoot. If the house were burning (I have insurance for the replacement value on the firearms) and I could only grab one (and no family members were at home - photos have been scanned and have back ups elsewhere), the lever action is what I would grab without hesitation. I never would have thought I wouldhave liked it some much. It's good that surprises can still happen in life.

February 21, 2012, 03:23 PM
A Spanish made STAR semi in .22, made in 58. Bought on a whim because I liked the old style looks of it. Reliable and very accurate, when I get home from deployment, it will be my open carry gun. Now to keep a eye out for more STAR pistols.

February 21, 2012, 04:05 PM
Bersa Thunder 380. Hadn't heard much, if anything, about them when I bought mine. I was truly pleasantly surprised with its performance, particularly in digesting multiple types of ammunition mixed together in the mags, some of which was 20-year old aluminum-cased stuff.

Dr T
February 21, 2012, 05:36 PM
Most pleasant surprise: The 22 LR barrel of my M-6 is far, far more accurate that I would have expected.

Negative surprise: The accuracy of my 44 Mag Marlin 1894 with cast bullets is non-existent. (we are talking 3 ft. groups at 25 yards...)

February 21, 2012, 07:50 PM
out of what I own, it is most certainly my 1943 Mosin Nagant 91/30. I had never held or fired a mosin before I purchased it -purely for its price. I kind of feel bad for my other rifles because it's quickly becoming my favorite! Due to its weight, the recoil is more 'cushy' and pleasant than my Marlin 336 30-30, and it's more powerful, and cheaper to shoot! So glad I bought it, definitely going to buy at least one more if not several.

Hocka Louis
February 21, 2012, 08:08 PM
Radom (Polish) P-64: just as its bigger brother (the Makarov, and there is no use in denying it in a non-Makarov Forum) is basically a cheap knockoff of the Walter PP, this little Walther PPK copy is plant-a-permanent-smile-on-your-face-at-the-range surprisingly accurate. Just like the one-hole-making Ruger Old Army blackpowder revolver mentioned.

Worst? Any rifle loaded with Winchester factory ammo -- folks, it ain't the gun!

February 21, 2012, 09:12 PM
My M1D from the CMP. It appears to have never been issued since being converted to a D. There was zero wear marks on the parkerizing on any of the internal parts. It is built on a 3-43 receiver...chris3

February 22, 2012, 01:59 AM
Probably an old hi standard double nine i have. I received it through inheritance and I know it sat in my grandfathers truck for 30+ years along with his 66. He let me finish off my first deer with it, and that was a long time ago. He really knew his guns, boy does it feel good in the hands, action amazing, and after a good cleaning I took it out to test and I shoot it better than any hand gun I own.

If you have the opportunity to run across this gun, buy it. I mean the one I have is probably worthless, but you can get them for the cheap.

February 22, 2012, 09:42 PM
The CZ-82. For the money they cost, an awesome shooter.
If ya ain't tried one, you should.

Me too, I've developed an unfortunate CZ fetish, milsurp and new stuff. Four of my last five handgun purchases were CZ and two were 82s.

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hang fire
February 22, 2012, 11:31 PM
My Finn Sako Model 39 made in 1942, it makes me almost ashamed I cannot do the accuracy of that rifle justice.

February 23, 2012, 02:52 AM
I'll bie in on the CZ thing to , I have a 40P 40S&W I bout in 2002 , thay were made for only 4 yr. in total 2001-2002 - 2005-2006 it hase the same frame as the p01 with the decocker . it is the only DA auto I have shot that I like and it is hyper accuret . wy thay only made it for a short time is a question I would like to know. I think it may have been a steping stone in R&D.

February 23, 2012, 03:10 AM
As far as pistols go I'd have to say the SA xd suprised me the most. I wasnt in the market for one at all at the time I bought. I happen to see that palmetto state armory was selling the xd "essentials" package for 349.00. So on a whim I drove down there and picked it up. I was pleasently suprised with the: ergos, looks(as far as polys go), and accuracy.
As far as rifles go I'll say the sig sauer m400 I just bought last week end. I picked it up for 990 plus tax. I was excited when I bought but when I came home and read all the negatives on the gun I thought, "crap I made a 1000 dollar mistake":banghead: So while on the way to the range for the first time with it, I was beating myself up about the purchace. I was convincing myself all the way there that it was going to be a piece of crap because the interwebs said so. How ever once I got it there and sighted it in, I was in love with it. I was happy with everything about it, and was pleasently suprised. I'm so thankful I got a good one.

February 24, 2012, 09:39 PM
When my Broomhandle sheared it's bolt stop and sent the bolt flying over my shoulder I was surprised as hell.

February 24, 2012, 11:25 PM
Century Arms AK47, heard alot bad about them but the one I ended up with has yet to have a FTE or FTF and shoots inside of 2inches at 100yrds, and no magazine wobble. go figure

February 25, 2012, 12:32 PM
Oh, yes... the WASR 10/63!

Bought it, had some surface rust, but otherwise looked and felt better than the others. Got it home, cleaned it up, got the rust off (just wiped right off), and then finished the furniture, changed the pistol grip to something made for a grown man, not a small communist child, and adjusted the front sight ever so slightly. And I've got a great little rifle now. Surprised the heck out of me.

February 25, 2012, 12:43 PM
My FAL the first time I hit the steel plate at 425y using the iron sights.

My friend's AR, with an ACOG, with I hit the 600y steel plate.

None of the shots were from a bench or any type of rest. Just laying prone.

February 25, 2012, 12:50 PM
Couple surprises here.

My friend's old WASR-10 with crooked sights and buggered magwell actually shoots a ragged hole at 50 yards once you use some Kentucky windage.

When I fired a basic milspec 1911 and it painfully shocked the nerve in my wrist, that surprised the hell out of me. One mag and I -had to- put it down. Same gun with different stocks was no problem at all.

February 25, 2012, 04:27 PM
My HK 45... Expected it to be a tack-driver but it wasn't... It's very likely me but the jury's still out.

February 25, 2012, 04:57 PM
I have 2 one is a 1891 argentina 7.65 cal mauser
the other a charter arms bull dog 44 special 5 shots in a 1" at 25 yards, great little revolver its my CC gun.

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