WCC military cartridges reloadable?


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max it
February 19, 2012, 08:56 PM
HI, my buddy says yes, i have to remove the 'crimp'
I am not sure what he means, can you clarify?

much obliged,

Max

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NWcityguy2
February 19, 2012, 09:08 PM
Yes they are reloadable but you will have a hard to impossible time putting a new primer in the hole unless you remove the "crimp". The metal around the primer is pushed in a bit to keep the primer from backing out. There are swaging kits made by RCBS which do this, http://www.midwayusa.com/product/235832/rcbs-primer-pocket-swager-combo-2 or you can use a deburr/chamfer tool to remove some brass which is what I do, http://www.midwayusa.com/product/389104/lee-chamfer-and-deburring-tool.

I put my brass in in my cordless drill primer side out and hold the Lee tool in my hand and give it a quick spin. Experience will teach you how little or much you need to take off.

wrench
February 19, 2012, 09:41 PM
I save up my military brass in a separate pile until I have a big enough batch to deal with.
I swage the primer pockets with my RCBS swager tool. Only takes a minute, it's good brass once it's processed.

CMV
February 19, 2012, 10:02 PM
If you're loading .223 you're going to run into many more - not just WCC. If you have a bunch or your regular ammo is something like American Eagle, milsurp from just about anywhere, XM193, Q3131, etc, you might want to spend the $95 for a Dillon Super Swage. Kind of a lot for a single purpose tool, but it makes removing the crimp so much easier & faster. Plus you don't have to learn too late that you removed too much with a chamfer tool or whatever else.

Or separate it out and find one to borrow/use at a friend's place and do a large batch at once.

Other methods work and if you just have a little & don't expect a lot more then it's a lot to spend for that tool. Otherwise, it's a great item to have.

You'll also find 9mm , .45ACP, & .308 with crimps frequently. The Dillon tool does them all (but so will a $3.99 chamfer tool).

kingmt
February 19, 2012, 10:17 PM
Something in between & is more tools in one is the CH4D for $40 it swages & primes both small & large pockets.

evan price
February 20, 2012, 03:57 AM
It's good brass but for as plentiful as 9mm is, I just chuck all the crimped brass into the scrap bin. Not worth my time to sort it any further or deal with the crimp. I've got plenty of 9mm brass and I'm lucky to have the luxury.

helotaxi
February 20, 2012, 07:43 AM
I guess it would help if the OP would clarify what cartridge he's talking about. If it's 5.56 or 7.62, and there are a significant number of them, then it might be worthwhile to invest in a prime pocket swager (I like the Dillon personally). If he's talking about 9mm, I wouldn't even bother.

max it
February 20, 2012, 09:37 AM
HI Guys, yes its 9mm. I guess now that makes a diff. No its not worth the extra work. Especially since I never get the same brass back at the matchs.

Much obliged,

Max

kingmt
February 20, 2012, 09:43 AM
I swage all new to me brass now as it seems everything I find has crimped primes. I even found some in 38spl.

dickttx
February 20, 2012, 09:58 AM
I was messing around with some WCC 9mm 08 and 11 brass the other day and used a small knife blade to remove the crimp. A used primer went in very easily. I then used a chamfer tool and it too worked well. I then tried seating used primers in some that had not been worked on, and they too inserted easily.
So try a few just as they are. I have always had very good luck with the GI brass. Very well made and reloads numerous times.

T Bran
February 20, 2012, 02:21 PM
Another little trick I figured out is to chuck a #2 or #3 phillips screwdriver bit in the cordless drill and just ream the pocket a little with it. Worked fine while I was waiting for my reamer to be delivered.
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kingmt
February 20, 2012, 03:02 PM
I have never found a need to seat used primers. Think about it if you forced a primer past the crimp would it not size the primer down. Even seating a primer in a uncrimped pocket should size it down some.

CMV
February 20, 2012, 04:47 PM
I swaged all my crimped 9mm & it didn't take long. I wouldn't have bought the SS just for 9mm but since I had it already, no sense in not using it.

I don't have a lot of 9mm brass. Most of the factory stuff I have is CCI Blazer (I sure miss buying it for $80/case at Academy) so I'm not generating my own brass for that caliber.

I'll gladly take the crimped stuff you guys are discarding :)

NWcityguy2
February 20, 2012, 06:09 PM
Think about it if you forced a primer past the crimp would it not size the primer down.

With 9mm crimped primers sometimes it will slide in with a bit more force. But... more than most will go in crooked and get crushed when one edge catches on the crimp, destroying the primer.

rodinal220
February 20, 2012, 06:14 PM
Get a Dillon primer pocket swager and make this simple mod.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/309270_.html&page=1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaZHeSUqQbk

1SOW
February 20, 2012, 10:02 PM
I prefer Winchester 9mm Luger brass.
About a month ago, I watched a young couple shoot a box of 9mm Win "Value Pak" of 100 and then leave.
I hurried over and picked up the brass. It was headstamped "WCC".
I don't believe it's "crimped", but it is NOT bevelled like "WIN" brass is.
It WILL seat in my press IF the hole is aligned perfectly. If the primer hole gets a small bevel, it seats easily.
In the 80's through early 90's, WC/WCC was the headstamp, and it too was not "bevelled" enough to seat reliably in most presses..

Like was said, I don't bother with it since 9mm range pick-ups are plentiful in my area.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-aiQ80E-fJCg/T0MMgHt04vI/AAAAAAAAArg/rQXy45xP-nA/s512/Primer%2520Hole%2520Types.JPG

beatledog7
February 20, 2012, 10:08 PM
9mm brass can be fired many times when loaded sanely, but only has to be decrimped once (if it was crimped at all).

Given that I'm cleaning primer pockets on my RCBS prep station, I can easily detect which brass are crimped, and it's just another 3-5 second operation to make the on-time fix.

SlowFuse
February 20, 2012, 10:56 PM
If you have a good bit of crimped brass to go through, a lot of people recommend the Dillon super swage. I have the RCBS press mounted combo that I paid about $20 for. It gets the job done.

mgmorden
February 20, 2012, 11:14 PM
It doesn't take much to remove the crimp. I reload 9mm mostly from range pickup brass, and I try to avoid wastefulness :). I typically will just notice the resistance when I try to prime the case and will back off. I keep a regular old steel bottle-opener next to the reloading bench. Place the corner in the pocket and give it a few turns and it shaves off enough metal that I can insert the primer (still usually a tighter than normal fit, but they go in ok).

The extra effort probably doesn't make economic sense as less than 1% of the cases I pickup tend to be military/crimped, but for me there's a satisfaction in not letting an obstacle get in my way :).

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