Tonight they had a "sniper" firing through a hole in a wall with a scoped rifle. Only problem was that the hole was that made by the removal of a single, horizontally laid brick. This opening allowed the investigator just enough room to fit a scope through the hole. So the "sniper" could have either looked through the hole or fired through the hole; but, he could not have done both at the same time. Those pesky little details!!!!!!!!
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February 10, 2004, 11:34 PM
Yeah, there was barely enough room for the scope; surely not a scope mounted on a rifle.
February 10, 2004, 11:56 PM
One of the cable channels documented the Army, Guard, Marines, Brits, Canadians, et al. competing in a several day sniper contest. On one of the stations they had to fire their weapon on its side.
I thought that was odd on NCIS, and I don't know if they were thinking along those lines. Usually when they use some outlandish technique like that, they have to use it to show how the brilliant investigator figured it out. It was probably Bravo Sierra on their part, but it is trained for.
February 11, 2004, 05:43 AM
I'm waiting for NCIS Miami. :rolleyes: :barf:
February 11, 2004, 09:47 AM
Well-it is TV. Normally David P. Bellisario shows are more accurate. That was a glaring mistake-obvious right away. And the referance to Carlos "Whitefeather" Hathcock was a bit of a stretch I thought. Nevertheless I find that show and JAG to be somewhat entertaining. Ever notice that Bellisario shows are almost totally devoid of blondes? I believe the Mjr. Mackenzie character was on the show previosly as a different character, then came back as "Mac" with dark brown hair. Any longterm JAG watchers confirm this? Oh by the way (just to keep on topic for the mods)in a previous episode she couldn't sleep so she asked Harm if she could strip and clean his 1911 for something to do. What a woman!
February 11, 2004, 09:58 AM
Hey Bwana - I saw the same thing, and had the same reaction you did. OOPS! And the referance to Carlos "Whitefeather" Hathcock was a bit of a stretch I thought. And I thought I heard them say Hathcock had "39" confirmed kills . . . I thought it was up around 97 confirmed or so?
February 11, 2004, 10:00 AM
Yeah, I made a point to catch this one cause it looked like it had a lot of potential to have some gun screwups. :) I gotta give them kudos for working Carlos in there though!
Did anyone recognize the rifle? Looked like a Barrett to me.
February 11, 2004, 10:34 AM
She's been her sweet ol' self the whole show. 'Bout due for a promotion, though. Raab went from j.g. to lt. cdr. and caught up with her, and the poor gal's been a Major all this time.;) I missed that episode, did she strip, then clean Harm's .45?:what: :D Or was that strip the .45, then clean it;) , Either way, you're right , gotta love a gal like that!:D
How about NCIS Pensacola?:uhoh: Two shows fer one!:p
Hey, Bellasario does his homework, most producers would have had it as Carlos "Whitecock" Halffeather!:neener:
February 11, 2004, 11:40 AM
I have watched exactly 1/4 of 1 epidsode of JAG.
I turned it off when the two main characters (hell, I don't even know their names!) showed up on a carrier to do an investigation. The Marine orderly escorted them to their "stateroom" which was the size of a basketball court and had portholes!
Damn! I wonder what the skipper's in-port cabin looks like!
February 11, 2004, 11:49 AM
What do you expect from TV script writers. Brains?:banghead:
February 11, 2004, 11:54 AM
I always liked those WWII submarine movies that made the inside of a sub look like a ballroom.
Steve in PA
February 11, 2004, 12:50 PM
Carlos Hathcock had 93 confirmed kills.
February 11, 2004, 02:38 PM
Pardon me for having Mac's rank and previous role confused-sometimes certain things cause me to have temporary ADD. In that episode Harm was sleeping in his skivvies while Mac sat at the window wrapped in a blanket. And yes she took his 1911 apart and cleaned it. They also discussed the fact they have slept together but not "really slept together", so to speak. Hey mods-like the way we got this on topic by talking about the now clean 1911? By the way-I have a friend who swears that Mac had another role earlier in the series and she was blonde then. I can see this is a topic for further research. Wonder what kind of a Marine recruiter she would make? I digress.
February 11, 2004, 07:21 PM
Acctally Cathrine Bell was killed off in the first season of Jag. She was then brought back as Mac.
And I only caught the last few minutes of NCIS so I missed the one block removed for the sniper rifle. I also missed the Carlos Hathcock refrence damn I am ashamed of my self.
February 11, 2004, 08:57 PM
Season 1 NBC
22. Skeleton Crew
gs: John Ashton (Agent Brian Turque)
Andrea Thompson (Cmdr. Allison Krennick)
Ben Lemon (Commander Holbarth)
Mark Kiely (Lieutenant Lamm)
Brook Susan Parker (Lt. Sarah Williams)
Glenn Morshower (CPO Ned Bannon)
John M. Jackson (Rear Adm. Chegwidden)
Patrick Labyorteaux (Ensign Bud Roberts)
A murdered female lieutenant turns out to be Lt. Schonke, a
friend (with whom he attended Academy together) of Harm's but
neither Cdr. Krennick nor Agent Turque, an abrasive civilian
investigator, buys Harm's claim that his relationship was strictly
platonic. After the primary suspect of the murder is also found
dead - a more than dubious suicide - Harm finds himself being the
number one suspect for both murders ... Locations: US Naval
Base Norfolk, Va.; Washington D.C.
w: Donald P. Bellisario
d: Donald P. Bellisario
NOTE: This episode was not shown in the US during JAG's initial
run, due to the series being cancelled by NBC before it was
originally scheduled to be aired; the second part was never filmed
or even written.
Catherine Bell had a very brief role as Harm's murdered girlfriend.
In fact, her entire role lasted approximately 1 minute during the episode's teaser.
(The part of the show that occurs before the opening credits roll)
Producer Donald Bellisario was so impressed with her performance,
that when NBC cancelled the show at the end of Season 1, then CBS
picked up the show (from Season Two on), he tapped Bell to play
opposite Harm as Major Sarah McKenzie.
The episode has only aired in the U.S. as part of USA Networks
re-runs of JAG once or twice. The episode though, has been
aired overseas many times.
During the 3rd season of "JAG" on CBS, Executive Producer
Donald P. Bellisario used a large part of this episode to create
the episode, "Death Watch", scenes from this episode being used to
help tell that story in flashbacks.
February 11, 2004, 09:20 PM
Did anyone catch where the decided that the shooter was far away rather than close up due to the vast penetration of the bullet?? Like it went through more walls due to the fact the shooter was further away...maybe I missed something there..
February 11, 2004, 10:17 PM
Dang! I missed that one. I like NCIS for the humor, lots of subtle stuff.
February 11, 2004, 11:03 PM
I caught that one real quick,but missed the 'brick' faux pa(sp). The alluded that a rifle fired at great distance would impart more fps to the bullet.Yea,it is tv,but the amusing part of it is finding the gun foofoos
February 12, 2004, 02:40 AM
I remember Harm always looking at Mac at the beginning of the show because she loooked SOOOOO much like his murdered girlfriend(lol now we know why)
February 12, 2004, 03:33 AM
Either one alone will warp one's thinking. Both at once, in the same stupid TV show? Well, all I have to say is; I betcha the advertisers made out like bandits on that episode.
February 12, 2004, 04:15 AM
I'm pretty sure Harm's gun in JAG is a Beretta, and yeah, she stripped it. I think that she's moved up to Colonel and he's moved up to Commander. They don't clearly say anymore whether or not they are Lt. Commander or Lt. Colonel though, so I'm not sure exactly what rank they both are. But as far as the gun, it's most likely the same Beretta that the M9 is.
February 12, 2004, 04:22 AM
She wears a silver leaf making her a Lt. Colonel and he has three thick strips making him a full Commander.
February 12, 2004, 05:13 AM
You guys are way too critical. They wouldn't put it on TV if it weren't true. :rolleyes:
'sides...Catherine Bell is real easy on the eyes.:p
February 19, 2004, 01:48 PM
Anybody see Feb 18th's episode - where the ME goes off on hollow point bullets (Dum Dums) saying how much more deadly they are than regular bullets, and how they are illiegal to use in warfare, etc.
True, the Brits developed the Mark II .303 round to increase its stopping power - the original just zipped right through the body and it was originally developed at the Dum Dum Arsenal in India.
The gist was definitely written by an anti-gun person - and of course the dialogue was repeated at least twice.
February 19, 2004, 01:56 PM
The round ducky was unhappy about was a Ranger SXT. Like many uninformed, he thought the mushrooming was to create more damage rather than reduce overpenetration. :rolleyes:
February 19, 2004, 02:07 PM
Anybody old enough to remember Robert Vaughn as "Napoleon Solo" and "David (Ducky) Mccallum" as his partner "Ilya Kuryakin"? If memory serves me I believe one of them did not "carry". Any better memory/speller out there?
February 19, 2004, 02:08 PM
Yeah, JAG is hokey as hell, but at least it treats the military profession with respect. I can overlook a LOT of flaws for that!
February 19, 2004, 02:30 PM
I remember R.V. & Ducky in the old show, "Man form U.N.C.L.E." Don't remember if both carried, though. Remember "Agent99" from "Get Smart"?
I disgree. Sorry Mod.
"disgree"???? How about "digress"?
February 19, 2004, 03:02 PM
That's right Bob-and I'm pretty sure Solo carried and Ilya didn't. Yo mods-like the way we've kept this thread technically proper with an occasional referance to guns? OK- anybody out there remember wheter either of these 2 carried and if so, what?
February 26, 2004, 02:52 AM
Was at an *ANTIQUE* shop Saturday, (god, am I old!) and they had a "Man from U.N.C.L.E. " lunchbox with Illya Kuryakin carrying something that looked like a cross between Han (not Napoleon):D Solo's "Lucasized" Broomhandle Mauser, and a paintball gun.
Now Star Wars weapons....interesting that they all were WWII era. Solo's Mauser (OK, WWI) , the Sterling's that were the main issue Stormtrooper weapon, and the MG42's that some of them carried!:)
*I find your lack of faith disturbing*:evil:
February 26, 2004, 05:04 AM
Posted by harpethriver: ... Anybody old enough to remember Robert Vaughn as "Napoleon Solo" and "David (Ducky) Mccallum" as his partner "Ilya Kuryakin"? If memory serves me I believe one of them did not "carry". Any better memory/speller out there? ... I remember that show very well. However, I clearly recall an episode where both of then drew down on each other mistaking the other for the enemy. Don't know if that one show was the exception to the rule or not with regards to one of them not carrying. Posted by harpethriver: ... OK- anybody out there remember wheter either of these 2 carried and if so, what? ... The U.N.C.L.E. guns were Walther P38s with many special attachments such as silencers and long range sights and actually got the show in trouble with the BATF for making illegal modifications to firearms (recall reading that in a book I have on the show) ...
... By the way, you can order your very own blank firing replica of the gun from these people (http://www.uniquecanes.com/new/item_replicas_manuncle.html) ...
http://www.uniquecanes.com/new/images/manuncle/manuncle1.jpg Posted by csmkersh: ... The round ducky was unhappy about was a Ranger SXT. Like many uninformed, he thought the mushrooming was to create more damage rather than reduce overpenetration ... One would think that a qualified medical examiner who is shown as knowing everything in the show, would know that also. Posted by williamcrane: ... the ME goes off on hollow point bullets (Dum Dums) saying how much more deadly they are than regular bullets, and how they are illiegal to use in warfare ... Maybe I should ask this some place else but does anyone know why hollowpoints are banned in warafare? What could be so bad about a hollowpoint when bombs are being dropped which can blow a person to bits?
February 26, 2004, 07:53 AM
...Remember that many television people have NO CLUE about reality --- just look at how dumb those "reality TV" shows are !!
February 26, 2004, 07:20 PM
That first photo is a CZ 27. Pretty tricked out, too, I might add!:D
February 26, 2004, 07:40 PM
Ammunition for warfare was standardized by The Hague Accords of 1905, before most of the more vicious methods of maiming and killing were developed. (CBU's , Bouncing Bettys, Toe Poppers, etc.) The only instance I know of that a military power skirted the issue is when the AK-74 5.45 reound was introduced, the steel cored bullet had a hollow pocket just behind the point, but not open the the air. It had the same effect terminally, without technically violating The Hague Accords, which the Soviet Union wasn't signatory to anyway, having not exsisted in 1905.
Interestingly, the United States was not a signatory to thr Geneva Convention of 1936, yet is one of the few nations that constantly complies with it.:)