cz thoughts - p06, sp-01, 97


PDA






mdchambe
February 20, 2012, 03:34 PM
Hi everyone, the purchase of a new handgun is in the near future andp as hoping to get some thoughts on cz's.

I like cz rifles and am thinking id like to get a cz handgun. This will be used primarily for target shooting. I currently have a Browning .22 buckmark and stoeger cougar in .40

Locally, I have been unable to find VERY few cz's, only the P06, which felt nice, but I'm not sure I want another .40. Also, I'm not sure i would want a shorter(height) gun like the P01.

Given all that, I'm thinking about either the 97 but have heard it is a large gun physically so that has me worried without being able to get my hands on one. That lead me to the sp-01, but its specifications show it being nearly as big and heavy as the 97.

What do people think, if I was comfy with the P06 do you think id be ok with either the 97 or sp-01?? how does the P01 compare to the standard 75?

Thanks!

If you enjoyed reading about "cz thoughts - p06, sp-01, 97" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
Walt Sherrill
February 20, 2012, 03:40 PM
Whatever you decide upon, buy it already tuned, from the CZ Custom Shop. (Their website is http://czcustom.com.)

The 97 is a marvelous gun, but has a big grip. You'll want to handle one before you buy. The P-06 is getting great reviews, but is substantially different than the other CZs.

The SP-01 comes in several forms, decocker or safety.

The biggest complaint about CZs, nowadays, is that the out-of-the-box trigger isn't as good as it used to be. Buying one from the CZ Custom shop costs a bit more, but since they'll ship right to your FFL, you're saving a good bit on the shipping costs you'd normally pay for a first-class action job, and you'll LOVE what you get.

Michael R.
February 20, 2012, 03:43 PM
The 97 I handled felt good in my hands, and I have small hands. YMMV

Don D
February 20, 2012, 03:54 PM
I have owned a cz75b for many years. It is my favorite handgun to shoot. I don't have experience with the 97 but I do love the 75b. It is well machined and I suspect the 97 to be excellent as well.

JDGray
February 20, 2012, 04:08 PM
If target shooting is your main use, forget the ugly railed versions! A CZ75B-SA, tuned at CZ-Custom Shop will be a good start.;)
As Walt has stated, buy the gun from CZ-Custom Shop, and have this intalled
http://czcustom.com/sanditriggerworksada.aspx

mdchambe
February 20, 2012, 04:39 PM
Thanks for the thoughts all. Keep em coming.

The 75 is in .40 only, correct?

How does the grip of the sp-01 compare to the 97? Cz site says it is wider 1.46 vs 1.4 inches for the 97?

Thanks

hifirock57
February 20, 2012, 04:41 PM
If target shooting is your main use, forget the ugly railed versions!
The ergonomics on the SP-01 are awesome, the all steel version, Shadow or Tactical, is great on recoil. Trigger is......ok, but out of all the pistols at the end of the day my CZ gets the most rounds through it and the most attention from other shooters. And :O how can you call this ugly?!!?!?http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j411/gundawg45/IMAG0286.jpg

JDGray
February 20, 2012, 04:56 PM
No offense, but the fat nose on that gun is ugly, not to mention the mag base!:neener:

But if everyone like the same thing, the world would be a boring place!

I prefer the less ugly SA! But possibly hideous in your eyes...
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b278/JDG357/CZs001.jpg

CRF450808
February 20, 2012, 04:58 PM
My only CZ experience is with the 97bd. Its my favorite handgun that I own and the most accurate and softest shooting 45 I have fired.

hifirock57
February 20, 2012, 05:11 PM
A CZ could never be hideous in my eyes.....unless they were bought out by Hipoint or something :shudders: The SP-01 is more of a utility piece, but it's got a certain pull on me, I just like it. On the other hand a stainless with wood grips like the one here in a BD version is something I would lust after :)
http://averagejoeshandgunreviews.blogspot.com/2009/03/cz-75b-in-polished-stainless-part-ii-of.html

hifirock57
February 20, 2012, 05:14 PM
Thanks for the thoughts all. Keep em coming.

The 75 is in .40 only, correct?

How does the grip of the sp-01 compare to the 97? Cz site says it is wider 1.46 vs 1.4 inches for the 97?

Thanks
No the 75B is traditionally a 9mm, but the same models can be had in .40, although the mag capacity is very limited for the .40 in a full size gun compared to a few other brands

Walt Sherrill
February 20, 2012, 10:12 PM
The 97 grip is noticeably larger than the 75 grip. My hand isn't small, but I really wasn't comfortable with the 97 Grip. The similar Witness 45/10mm guns are noticeably smaller in the grip area. (I had a 97B, a Witness Sport Long Slide in .45, and a ASAI One Pro all at the same time -- and they all used the same mags. The 97B had the largest grip of the three.)

If you're serious about the 97B, you really need to try one, dry-fire it, etc.

GregGry
February 20, 2012, 10:21 PM
I own the sp01 and the 97b. Both are super pistols. The grip isn't the issue for most people with the 97b, the trigger reach with a proper hold on the pistol is the issue. Many people that have shot my 97b have to grip "around the pistol" to put the trigger on the sweet spot on the finger in DA. S/a isnt so bad.

The sp01 or even the cz75 with a competition hammer and single action trigger will be on of the best shooting guns you have ever fired. If I were you I would go for the 75s and a bunch of ammo.

Mr.Blue
February 20, 2012, 10:48 PM
I have a CZ SP-01 Tactical (decocker) 9mm, CZ 75B 9mm, CZ 75B .40 S&W, and a CZ 97BD. I love them all, but the SP-01 is my favorite. It's the gun I choose to use when shooting action pistol competitions. I would recommend the non-decocker version, as the trigger is a little better. It is also easier to modify.

I love the 97BD too, but the grip is bigger than the SP-01. I have medium sized hands, but can handle it though. I just think the SP-01 is a more practical gun.

Good luck.

cheesebigot
February 20, 2012, 11:18 PM
The SP-01 is hefty, especially older models. I love mine and have abused it since the day I bought it, it loves me all the more for it. The P06 is great and all, but who needs another .40? The 97 is great if your palm can be used as a serving platter, mine can not.

In my opinion, the CZ 75 is the 1911 of the east. It can be made to be a beautiful competition model or it can be a working man's arm. Your CZ 75, your choice.

mdchambe
February 21, 2012, 07:50 AM
Thanks again for all the help everyone. I think I've narrowed it to the 75 or sp-01. Now I just have to see if the lgs can get one.

Pilot
February 21, 2012, 10:29 AM
Just buy the CZ on line from a reputable seller and have a FFL do a local transfer. That may be your LGS, or it may not. "Ordering" and paying up front will take months or more.

Mr.Blue
February 21, 2012, 10:43 AM
Are you in Maryland? If so, I may be selling my CZ 75B .40 S&W in satin nickel finish.

mdchambe
February 21, 2012, 11:07 AM
Nope, Iowa. I'll have to update my profile.

mdchambe
February 21, 2012, 04:21 PM
Personnel preference regarding looks aside, are there any negatives associated with the care/maintenance/durability of finish of polished stainless firearms?

I'm thinking of maybe going that route but wanted to get some feedback on the stainless because if they are more difficult to maintain and keep looking nice ill just go with the blue.

Thanks!

Walt Sherrill
February 21, 2012, 04:43 PM
The high-gloss stainless models show scratches and marks more easily than do most finishes, but they can generally be polished out, easily. The matte finish is less "touchy" and there is a low gloss model, too, somewhere in the middle -- but finding the level of polish you want may take a while.

The only CZ model currently available in stainless is the 75B with manual safety, and that particular model is slightly different than the standard 75B -- with a reversible mag release and ambidextrous safeties. I don't think a decocker model is available. Nothing else is (or was) available in stainless, including none of the models you mentioned in your original message.

The satin nickel finish is very durable, as is the polycoat finish (which seems to get better with each passing year.)

mdchambe
February 21, 2012, 05:24 PM
Yeah, I am now considering the 75, and the ambidexterious safety would be nice as i am q left handed shooter.

I'm not too familiar with the decocker and thus think the manual safety is my preference. As also mentioned above, since I'm not planning on using this as a carry firearm, I'm considering going with the single action onoy (if I decide to forgoe the stainless). Thoughts on the sao?

Walt Sherrill
February 21, 2012, 07:20 PM
The CZ 85B or CZ 85 Combat, have ambidextrous controls: slide release and safety (but not mag release.) The 85 Combat doesn't having the firing pin block, has an extended mag release, and an adjustable sight. It can be found in Nickel (I have one) and polycoat.

Later addition:

The SAO model has ambidextrous safeties... and if you're a lefty, that's a plus. Consider getting one from the CZ Custom Shop. You'll pay a bit more, but you will NOT regret the extra cost. (Let them do the trigger/action work.)

marine 97-03
February 21, 2012, 10:58 PM
I love my CZ 75 P-07 in .40 great shooter

mdchambe
February 22, 2012, 11:13 AM
What are peoples thoughts on da/sa vs. the single action only? Since I won't be using to carry, would I be better off with the sao? I like it cosmetically a bit more than the 85 and have read that the trigger on the sao is maybe slightly better than the da/sa trigger out of the box.

Carter
February 22, 2012, 11:26 AM
If its range only the SAO would be the better option. But just know, once you shoot a CZ you'll want to carry it!

zignal_zero
February 22, 2012, 06:47 PM
i know neither of these are the gun you are asking about, but..... i used a IMI Baby Eagle to go through the police academy, it accepted CZ75 mags so i am assuming the grip angle has to be somewhat comparable. i found it to be so wonderfully ergonomic that i recently (17 years later) sold my Glock 23 to buy a CZ 75 P-01 sight unseen. i had never even seen a P-01 in person and i sold my G23 to order one. when it got here, i knew i had made the right choice :) this gun is amazing. i shoot it atleast once a week and tend to hold it, when i'm not shooting it. it is my everyday carry piece.

the beauty of the P-01 (which you might wanna consider) is - i can't tell if it is a big gun or a small gun, when i hold it. it doesn't have that dainty 'ez to carry no fun to shoot' feeling. just the opposite, it feels like a real gun, solidly built and range ready. but at the same time, you can tell it would conceal really easy (and it does). it's just the perfect size. everything about it is awesome. anyway..... i know you didn't ask about the P-01, but it IS a CZ and if the others are anything like it, you can't go wrong with any of them :)

Walt Sherrill
February 22, 2012, 07:24 PM
The Baby Eagle is a semi-clone of the CZ design, based on the Tanfoglio copy. Tanfoglio makes the parts. Many folks feel that the wonderful CZ ergonomics are done just a bit better in the Baby Eagle.

The P-01 you mention is a COMPACT-framed version of the full-sized 75B with a decocker. It's also alloy-framed, rather than carbon steel -- and noticeably lighter.

The SP-01 has a larger magazine. The standard CZ 75B mag and the mag for the SP-01 will fit in the P-01 (and Baby Eagle), but the P-01 mag won't work in the SP-01, as it's too short. The P-01 mag Won't work in your Baby Eagle, either, if it's a full size gun.

Witness-based "compact" mags won't work in the P-01, as they're a bit shorter than the CZ compacts. Be careful when looking for inexpensive mags.

(And, believe it or not, the ProMag mags for the 75B Compact in .40 are very good. About the only ProMag I recommend. If you can't find or afford Mec-Gars or Mec-Gar-made factory mags, those specific ProMags are a good alternative. Many, many CZ compact shooters have used those mags with good success.)

Okiegunner
February 25, 2012, 07:58 PM
Hello guys,

Went to the local gun show today with every intention of buying a CZ-75 if I could find one for the right price. I did not find exactly what I was looking for.

However, I did find a poly Tanfoglio Witness in .40 cal., hard shell case, 2 bore brushes, rail, and 2 high cap mags, NIB for $310 out the door. Seemed like a really good buy to me...so I bought it. Pretty nice looking piece. Slide seems a little stiff and fairly heavy DA pull, but it is brand new and should loosen up some.

Just wanted to ask for some opnions on this purchase. Oh, and by the way, the frame has "Made in Italy" stamped on, and the case is lime green with Tanfoglio marked in large white letters. This is not an Armscor product

Walt Sherrill
February 25, 2012, 08:16 PM
Good-enough guns. Generally, they have good triggers, shoot well, and you can get parts and some support from EAA's/Witness's customer service. (That's both a plus and a minus.)

Kind of like a Ruger, in that they're reliable and durable.

You'll probably like it, shoot it for a year or too, and then look for something a little better. The price is about what you'd pay for a similar Witness. A good price, but not uncommon.

Okiegunner
February 27, 2012, 04:24 PM
Thanks Walt, I appreciate the feedback.

Went to the range today and ran 200 rounds thru it. One ftf. I was using Federal 180gr. FMJ. Really flat blunt nose round. DA seems a little heavy. SA is really nice. Pistol points really well. Very good ergonomics. Take down is a little different than what I am used to, as there is no dedicated take down lever. This may be common to all CZs and their clones. You guys would know better than me as this is my first CZ-75 type pistol.

All in all I'm pretty happy. Gun seems to be very well built. Looks like it would handle alot of use and abuse. The finish is very nice, kind of a flat black look. Anyone know what kind of finish is used on these?

Thanks

Gunner

Walt Sherrill
February 27, 2012, 07:25 PM
When I had my Sport Long Slide, the DA trigger started out rough. I dry-fired it (DA) about 200 times a night for a month or so, and it became very, very smooth. The SA trigger was always good. You'll probably fire yours from SA (cocked and locked start) once you get used to it.

You may have a "wonder finish" which is really a surface hardening treatment under the painted finish. I've never heard what the black finish might be. Everyone who works on them, however, say the metal itself is very hard (and difficult to machine.)

armoredman
February 27, 2012, 07:47 PM
Wonder finish is OK, but I had a boss who had a Wonder finished Witness 40 years ago, and he had a horrible habit of resting his arm on his gun while standing up. After only a day or two it started to eat through. Of course, this guy's sweat was like sulfuric acid, too.
You should be happy with it, good solid firearm.

Thompsoncustom
February 27, 2012, 08:44 PM
Do you mind saying where you live in iowa? I also live here close to Waterloo iowa in the town of independence if you want you could always shoot my CZ 75b to give you a fell for them if your close, but I will warn you once you do you will have to own one.

If you enjoyed reading about "cz thoughts - p06, sp-01, 97" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!