Interesting statistical chart---Obama & firearms.....


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El Mariachi
February 21, 2012, 10:21 AM
Submitted without further comment......:D




http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/yy21/shiftster/Greatest-Gun-Salesman-In-America-Pr-1.jpg



http://www.businessweek.com/politics-policy/joshua-green-on-politics/archives/2012/02/barack_obama_greatest_gun_salesman_in_america.html

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tyeo098
February 21, 2012, 10:24 AM
Tiny image is tiny.

youngda9
February 21, 2012, 10:25 AM
Can't read...too small. Can you provide links to the originals?

Ashcons
February 21, 2012, 10:25 AM
Lemme just pull out my magnifying glass... :)

El Mariachi
February 21, 2012, 10:27 AM
Sorry Kidz, Business Week link now installed.....:D

roadchoad
February 21, 2012, 10:47 AM
That is a looooong slide 1911.

Good news in that image overall.

Steel Horse Rider
February 21, 2012, 10:58 AM
And the problem is?? :cool:

newbuckeye
February 21, 2012, 11:00 AM
Sounds like we as a group have a big part to play in the economic recovery.....

El Mariachi
February 21, 2012, 11:03 AM
True----but now do we gamble & vote for Obama one more time?.....:D

squarles67
February 21, 2012, 11:23 AM
That's the only thing he's done to help the economy..........

GlockFan
February 21, 2012, 12:22 PM
I hate to say it but...I think privately the gun companies etc would like him re-elected. Look at the Ruger stock price! :scrutiny:

ThorinNNY
February 21, 2012, 12:25 PM
Aw don`t knock the guy. He`s brought this "...bitter American clinging to his bible ,his guns, his antipathy..." A LOT of hope as in : I hope this guy doesn`t get his hands on all my change, my dollar bills, my property, my guns, my medical care, my incandescent light bulbs..............................

JustinJ
February 21, 2012, 12:31 PM
Obama didn't do a thing to affect gun sales. We, the gun community, went on an irrational fear driven buying spree, running up prices and making guns and ammo scarce, in fear of a gun ban that was never even attempted. Gun Salesman of the year is all of us who participated in the run and all the vendors who price gouged. But hey, misassigned credit to him is anything but new.

beatledog7
February 21, 2012, 12:55 PM
You wanna see a gun ban get put on the fast track, just let our current President get reelected.

IMHO, he's held off up to now because he needs to get a second term. Once he's in for four more years and is no longer eligible to run for the office, there will be no reason for him and his supporters to wait any longer.

Eric Holder has already admitted that's where the administration wants to go.

Sam1911
February 21, 2012, 01:00 PM
It's all a cleverly subversive plot to create a guns and ammo shortage. They don't want us, the citizens, to be able to buy guns, so they'll trick us into buying them all up so the shelves are empty, so there won't be any available when the manufacturers' supplies get low ... because we bought all of them..., and then we won't be able to buy them.

Yup...when you've bought up so many guns that the dealers are out of guns ... and you can't buy more guns because you already bought the guns...oh, how you'll shake your fist at Obama!

(...Yes, that was a serious like of reasoning posted here at THR during the last 'panic.' The mind wobbles. :D)

Justin
February 21, 2012, 01:19 PM
I submit that the "gun owners are all paranoid lunatics" narrative is incorrect, and one that the mass media has doggedly foisted onto the public because they really dislike the actual truth:

Americans are finally opting to exercise their second amendment rights almost as often and with as much enthusiasm as they reserve for the exercise of their first amendment rights.

After all, who gets a hunting permit, attends a shooting competition, gets a concealed carry permit, or spends the money to attend the SHOT Show because they're paranoid about Obama?

No one, that's who.

For the first time in decades, Americans are embracing one of their civil liberties with open enthusiasm, and the mainstream media is so utterly frightened by it that they're compelled to project that fear and paranoia on everyday Americans.

firesky101
February 21, 2012, 01:28 PM
Ha... I love all the people that forget congress makes laws. Still, I would be lying if I said my collection had not exponentially grown in the past 4 years. 3 guns became ??? well at least 6 times that, but I am most certainly not done yet. Of course that likely would have happened anyways, it's not like they are more pretty and fun because of a panic.

ThorinNNY
February 21, 2012, 01:31 PM
Sam- To paraphrase a line from The Cruel Sea- For times when the mind WOBBLES there is gin! Dunno, never tried it my mind never wobbles but at times it just shuts down- taking a nap helps.

So far I haven`t seen any mention of tin foil hats on this thread ......but I got to thinking: ya know the tin foil hat `s just a bit obvious & may expose the wearer to ridicule.
Perhaps the times call for a stealth tin foil hat. IIRC,"tin foil" is actually made from aluminum.Maybe what`s needed is a lightweight, durable, baseball cap made out of aluminum that been covered & lined with cloth
But a plain, undecorated cap is likely to arouse unwanted attention and suspicion. So in order to make it look completely harmless, we put a smiley face on it. yep, that`s the ticket, dontcha ya think?

Steel Horse Rider
February 21, 2012, 02:09 PM
Just to be fair, I don't trust Congress any more than I trust the President.......

wannabeagunsmith
February 21, 2012, 02:17 PM
I don't think this has anything to do with O. I think it was the economy that was due to fail which left people wanting their guns before the prices skyrocketed. Just to be fair, I don't trust Congress any more than I trust the President.......
I will second that.

JustinJ
February 21, 2012, 02:29 PM
After all, who gets a hunting permit, attends a shooting competition, gets a concealed carry permit, or spends the money to attend the SHOT Show because they're paranoid about Obama?

The panic certainly introduced many to guns whose interest only grew from there but the panic was either a result over the election or an incredible coincidence full of people only claiming to be worried about another assault weapons ban. And while those activities have increased there are huge numbers of purchases made that were never used for such.

For the first time in decades, Americans are embracing one of their civil liberties with open enthusiasm, and the mainstream media is so utterly frightened by it that they're compelled to project that fear and paranoia on everyday Americans.

Aside from maybe MSNBC i have witnessed no such thing.

rbernie
February 21, 2012, 02:40 PM
I don't think this has anything to do with O. I think it was the economy that was due to fail which left people wanting their guns before the prices skyrocketed.In my neck of the woods, there is no doubt that much of the buying in late 2008 was due to fear. But a funny thing happened about six months later...

Americans are finally opting to exercise their second amendment rights almost as often and with as much enthusiasm as they reserve for the exercise of their first amendment rights.
This happened.

My local ranges today are STILL packed on weekends, running long waiting lines to get a lane and shoot. That's not a mark of a scared buyer's market - that's indicative of the fact that there are simply more folk genuinely interested in shooting today than in recent past.

CoRoMo
February 21, 2012, 03:02 PM
If the poll numbers leading up to this fall's election portray it anywhere near to being a close race...

...I don't think we can even imagine what panic buying/gun hysteria even looks like in comparison to what might be in store. It will flat-out blow away what I saw January 2009.

2ifbyC
February 21, 2012, 03:13 PM
I have purchased more handguns in the last few years than any other time inn my life; four in last week alone. It had nothing to do with Obama.

It also had nothing to do with Zombies, the Mayan calendar, global climate change, or the pending nuclear bomb Iran may be building. Similarly, I will never be buying a croval. Mass hysteria has and will always be used to promote marketing of goods.

Reasons for my handguns purchases:
I have the money to buy guns and ammo.
I now have the time and places to shoot.
I weeded out some of my less enjoyable hobbies.

I live in a state with favorable gun laws. I do believe the fight for our second amendment rights is a never ending battle. However, I do not run to the LGS every time a politician tries to make political hay by saber rattling for more gun laws.

beatledog7
February 21, 2012, 03:57 PM
Ha... I love all the people that forget congress makes laws.

The #1 person to whom this applies resides in the White House.

JustinJ
February 21, 2012, 04:04 PM
Ha... I love all the people that forget congress makes laws.

Except laws are regularly passed by congress directly as a result of administrations driving them.

hso
February 21, 2012, 05:50 PM
Interesting, but it is incorrect and it sends the wrong message.

Many people on this forum weren't old enough to have owned guns in the AWB and yet we've grown enormously in numbers since the sunset of the AWB.

Many people out there buying guns don't remember the AWB and those that did go through it didn't jump on the opportunity to purchase banned guns when it sunset and have had years to purchase banned guns since sunset so don't need to rush to get them now.

People are buying guns because of the effort we've all put in changing the culture of fear promulgated by the antis. We worked hard to counter their hysterical claims, but the failure of the streets to run with blood as CCW holders engaged in Old West movie shootouts have made the hysterical claims of the antis appear foolish. People are responding to the effort we've made to take the "evil" out of EBRs and make them just another type of rifle suitable for hunting. People are responding to the WORK by pro2A advocates at getting "shall issue" laws in more states than ever before to allow people to protect themselves, further confounding antis. People are responding to the WORK by pro2A advocates at getting more "Castle Doctrine" laws in place in more states to confound the antis.

It is the successful opposition to the propaganda and legal onslaught of the antis that has raised the awareness of the American public to their right to protect themselves and the acceptability of exercising that right and all that comes with being able to exercise that right (carry laws, castle doctrine, AND the purchase of firearms) that has made owning a firearm more and more popular to Americans. Add a general feeling of uncertainty about the near future and fear that cuts in budgets will reduce the number of LEOS making them more vulnerable to crime and you have a near perfect explanation why sales of firearms have increased.

This myth that the public fear that another AWB will be put in place doesn't explain the huge numbers of people spending their hard earned money on firearms, courses and carry permits. They have to believe in the fundamental reasons people purchase firearms, go to the courses and get carry permits to go to the trouble.

I'd much rather see a good graphic showing the relationship between firearms sales and shall issue/castle doctrine and the failure of the anti myths to materialize.

Fu-man Shoe
February 21, 2012, 07:47 PM
And *that*, ladies and gentleman, is why HSO is a moderator. Cooler heads must prevail, and be heard above the din.

Earlsbud
February 21, 2012, 08:19 PM
Fast and Furious was a Chicago thug attempt to create a climate in which the 2A could be attacked by imposing regulations on FFL holders with the support of the regimes lapdog media hounds to influence public opinion. But it all went horribly wrong for them didn't it? In my paranoid, conspiracy theory ridden brain I believe shooters expected no less of Obama and Holder and they were proven right.

grampster
February 21, 2012, 09:17 PM
Here's a way you can have some fun.

Start going to the public school board meetings. Keep quiet for a few meetings. You will be noticed because normally there are not many folks at those meetings. Your silence will give you a bit of cover because you won't be the stranger coming to a meeting and ranting right out of the starting blocks.

After a few meetings, speak at the portion of the meeting that allows for comment on things not on the agenda. Suggest that the board begin to explore the value in teaching firearm safety in the lower grades and contemplate integrating the shooting sports into the Junior High with air rifles and pistols and full on Varsity shooting sports in the Senior High using shotguns, rifles and handguns. Have informed info as to the value of same. Suggest they not jump into it, but thoroughly explore the efficacy of safety and sport giving students another life skill that they can use for the rest of their lives.

GambJoe
February 21, 2012, 09:19 PM
After reading these posts I find he's good for at least one thing - gun sales. :evil:

My next purchase will be made in America. NYC precisely.:)

Neverwinter
February 21, 2012, 09:49 PM
People are buying guns because of the effort we've all put in changing the culture of fear promulgated by the antis. We worked hard to counter their hysterical claims, but the failure of the streets to run with blood as CCW holders engaged in Old West movie shootouts have made the hysterical claims of the antis appear foolish. People are responding to the effort we've made to take the "evil" out of EBRs and make them just another type of rifle suitable for hunting. People are responding to the WORK by pro2A advocates at getting "shall issue" laws in more states than ever before to allow people to protect themselves, further confounding antis. People are responding to the WORK by pro2A advocates at getting more "Castle Doctrine" laws in place in more states to confound the antis.
Putting the increase of gun ownership at the feet of Obama only devalues all of the hard work across the country towards the RKBA through improved legislation that has been demonstrating themselves not to have the doomsday outcomes that the FUD-powered antis used for opposition.

22-rimfire
February 21, 2012, 10:41 PM
Like the economy starting to pick up a little now (so they say), the President had little to do with firearm and ammunition sales since he was elected. There are more people shooting these days. More women are buying firearms both for their homes and to carry. Those dang pink guns actually sell.

However, the ammunition shortage just prior to the President's election and for most of the following year has affected my ammunition buying habits. I don't want to be caught without ammunition if I feel like going shooting.

I believe hunting license sales are actually down a little. They have little to do with firearm sales any more.

Outside of the referenced article, the one sales related statistic I can't explain is the number of NICS checks done in Kentucky. The numbers are remarkable for a state with a relatively small population.

Many people are starting to feel as though they can defend themselves now and there is a reason to be concerned about home defense. The police can not protect you. They are reactive, not proactive for the most part. But from a practical perspective, that is how it should be.

chhodge69
February 21, 2012, 10:43 PM
that chart says there are only 90 guns for every 100 US citizens... I think we need to do some more shopping.

firesky101
February 21, 2012, 11:16 PM
^^^^^^
now that is some reasoning to get behind!!! I will help as much as possible.

Twmaster
February 21, 2012, 11:40 PM
I do not run to the LGS every time a politician tries to make political hay by saber rattling for more gun laws.

And this works as a good enough reason for me to buy yet another gun! ;)

All joking aside, the comments by HSO and Neverwinter are, IMO, spot on.


Originally Posted by hso
People are buying guns because of the effort we've all put in changing the culture of fear promulgated by the antis. We worked hard to counter their hysterical claims, but the failure of the streets to run with blood as CCW holders engaged in Old West movie shootouts have made the hysterical claims of the antis appear foolish. People are responding to the effort we've made to take the "evil" out of EBRs and make them just another type of rifle suitable for hunting. People are responding to the WORK by pro2A advocates at getting "shall issue" laws in more states than ever before to allow people to protect themselves, further confounding antis. People are responding to the WORK by pro2A advocates at getting more "Castle Doctrine" laws in place in more states to confound the antis.

Originally posted by Neverwinter:
Putting the increase of gun ownership at the feet of Obama only devalues all of the hard work across the country towards the RKBA through improved legislation that has been demonstrating themselves not to have the doomsday outcomes that the FUD-powered antis used for opposition.

beatledog7
February 21, 2012, 11:55 PM
I also agree with hso and neverwinter on this. It is certainly the continuing efforts of 2A advocates to counter antis that have led to increased gun ownership. No single person's perceived anti-gun agenda has driven it.

preachnhunt
February 22, 2012, 10:32 AM
22-rimfire, Bud's gun shop is in Ky. I have often wondered if that has something to do with it.

JustinJ
February 22, 2012, 11:47 AM
I can't see read the OP pict but i assume it essentially attributes gun sales to Obama?

I acknowledge that attitudes have shifted for a number of reasons however there is no denying that the election time gun spree was primarily induced by another AWB fear. Said spree introduced many into shooting which is a good thing. Many people have probably also bought guns out of increased fear of crime which often has more to do with political change that people find unfavorable than actual crime statistics. I believe all people should have the means to protect themselves but not always in what motivates them to get there.

El Mariachi
February 22, 2012, 11:52 AM
Justin, click on the News Week link I put n Post #1. Then you'll see the chart in all it's hugeiness glory.....:D

newbuckeye
February 22, 2012, 12:24 PM
After all, who gets a hunting permit, attends a shooting competition, gets a concealed carry permit, or spends the money to attend the SHOT Show because they're paranoid about Obama?

No one, that's who.
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I'd much rather see a good graphic showing the relationship between firearms sales and shall issue/castle doctrine and the failure of the anti myths to materialize.

I think a lot of this trend has to do with people being tired of being victims of violent crime.

This is from Buckeye firearms assn.

"911 is a joke": Self-defense killings skyrocket as law-abiding Detroiters take matters into their own hands"

Article here...

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/8219

hnk45acp
February 22, 2012, 01:01 PM
I think there's a cultural shift as well that's causing this rise.
There's usually some show that involves guns on TV (American Guns, Swamp People, Hoggers, Sons of Guns, Top Shot, etc.) These shows present people legally using and enjoying firearms and creates a more accepting atmosphere. After years of using the image of a gun to show fear and crime, it's now shifting away from that. Don't underestimate the value of this positive exposure in creating acceptance

KodiakBeer
February 22, 2012, 01:02 PM
Churchill said "Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains."

I wonder how much of this is simple demographics? The population is aging and those starry-eyed liberals from my generation have grown older and swapped positions on many things they believed in when they were young.

PapaG
February 23, 2012, 10:20 AM
Congress might make the laws but big O appoints Czars, issues Executive orders, and appoints heads of committees during non-recess recesses and holds on to Holder.

Pilot
February 24, 2012, 09:56 AM
Congress might make the laws but big O appoints Czars, issues Executive orders, and appoints heads of committees during non-recess recesses and holds on to Holder.


All true. Executive Orders do NOT need approval of Congress. In addition, you forgot one important item. The President appoints Supreme Court Justices. If Obama wins re-election he will have at least two seats to fill with more rabidly anti-gun justices who could overturn Heller and make the 2A dissapear as we know it.

The President does NOT need Congress to do extreme damage to our gun rights.

kynwatch
March 7, 2012, 08:58 PM
22-rimfire

The reason for the high background checks in KY is do to the fact that they run background checks on all CCW holders every 3 months I believe. It might be 6 months, but all are ran at least twice a year. So many of the BGCs are actually for CCW and not firearms sales.

kb58
March 7, 2012, 09:10 PM
Obama didn't do a thing to affect gun sales. We, the gun community, went on an irrational fear driven buying spree, running up prices and making guns and ammo scarce, in fear of a gun ban that was never even attempted...
EXACTLY - thank you for pointing this out! And the gun industry thanks those of you who feverishly throw money at them as they keep pounding the drums of fear to buy more and more. You guys need to realize that the gun industry is perfectly happy to instill fear into its customer base because they know it results in bigger sales. Somehow they've tricked us into thinking that they're on "our side." BS, they're on the side of making money, so never forget that the next time they say you better "hurry up and buy..." Pisses me off it does... I'm all for gun ownership, but when "they" (gun sellers) talk about "them" (the antis) you have to be very carefull about what their true goal is - to make money. Where it comes from doesn't matter, and never forget they do not have your best interest at heart, they're simply good salesmen.

Serenity
March 7, 2012, 10:59 PM
The President nominates Justices but they have to be confirmed by the Senate; which is elected by YOU.

R.W.Dale
March 7, 2012, 11:10 PM
I hate to say it but...I think privately the gun companies etc would like him re-elected. Look at the Ruger stock price! :scrutiny:

Honestly given his previous record if Obama's opponent wins (looking less and less likely) INFORMED gun owners would buy buy buy before he has a chance to take office.

See the sig line.

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cyclopsshooter
March 8, 2012, 12:02 AM
There has been a noticeable increase in Female shoppers at my store. They are active, engaged, and seeking knowledge about firearm sports and defense. Last week a very nice female customer I have been working with asked if I could provide an after hours training session in our range for her and some of her friends. Apparently all of these woman have been through the local LEO citizens academy and the local NRA safety course (which only uses .22s) They want to practice in a controlled environment with their own chosen weapons. Model 10s, Bersa 380s. Sig238s.. But have someone there to point out the more nuanced parts of shooting. Their reasons are varied, self defense, liked a previous shooting experience, saw a competitive female shooter on TV. Our sport really is making movement toward mainstream. I am convinced that the best way to encourage this is to be respectable and keep away from the aforementioned tinfoil.

Pilot
March 8, 2012, 09:43 AM
The author is a tool, but what do you expect from "Bloomberg"?

He has his facts wrong. It is not just "gun enthusiasts" buying guns to assemble arsnenals....:rolleyes: It is women, and first time gun buyers that are spiking sales. Average people are starting to realize that the police can not protect them.

Pilot
March 8, 2012, 09:47 AM
The President nominates Justices but they have to be confirmed by the Senate; which is elected by YOU.


The Senate is essentially a rubber stamp. It is customary for the senate to approve the President's nominees for the SCOTUS. Kagan and Sotomayor are as anti-gun as they come, but they got approved. When was the last time a liberal justice did not get approved by the Senate?

You are dreaming if you want to rely on the Senate to stop Obama's next appointments.

Serenity
March 8, 2012, 11:07 AM
You are assuming that I want Obama's next appointments to be stopped. ;)

Your question led me to research a little and you have made an excellent point: I only made it back to 1900 but from then until now, no Democratic president's nominations have been rejected by the Senate. Good call.

Pilot
March 8, 2012, 05:35 PM
Well thank you sir. I appreciate your candor and perspective.

I really do wish we did have a say in who is appointed to the Supreme Court. Well, actually we do in electing the President. That is why the next election is so important. I don't want to give Obama the ability to appoint any more anti gun judges.

R.W.Dale
March 8, 2012, 06:38 PM
I look at this discussion and shake my head.

The assumption is just automaticlly made that Romney appointees would be more 2a friendly. His record as Massachusetts govenor really doesn't bear this out.

LUCKILY! The supreme court justices most likely to retire are also the most liberal ones. So the makeup of the court really doesn't stand to be changed much. Which is a good thing since at this point we ARE GOING to end up with a blatantly anti 2a gun banning liberal for a president. Even if by some miracle the Republicans quit being stupid long enough to win an election.

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cyclopsshooter
March 8, 2012, 11:54 PM
we ARE GOING to end up with a blatantly anti 2a gun banning liberal for a president. Even if by some miracle the Republicans quit being stupid long enough to win an election.

This has been a pretty peaceful thread (amazingly) Lets not jump off the cliff now.

R.W.Dale
March 9, 2012, 12:00 AM
This has been a pretty peaceful thread (amazingly) Lets not jump off the cliff now.

OK fair enough.

But can we dispense with the idea that everything will roses puppies and sunshine for the second amendment as long as bho is defeated.

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Franchise42
March 9, 2012, 12:02 AM
So I was reading a story about an unarmed black kid killed in Florida by some dumba$$ community watch guy. This guy appearantly followed the "suspicious person" then confronted him. The kid, walking home to his dad's house told him where he could stick it and a fight ensued. The guy shot him and as yet hasn't been charged. I posted several comments about the tragedy of it and how the guy was just another scared punk who wanted to use his gun. Still, the liberal swarm was too great. They were calling for banning guns and it was some how related to Obama hatred and everything else. I tried to interject some logic but my posts were not approved. How do libs justify their hatred for the first amendment when what is said is a dissenting opinion?

cyclopsshooter
March 9, 2012, 12:09 AM
But can we dispense with the idea that everything will roses puppies and sunshine for the second amendment as long as bho is defeated.

I agree 100% Moderation is lost in an election cycle...

exavid
March 9, 2012, 12:48 AM
"...I submit that the "gun owners are all paranoid lunatics" narrative is incorrect, and one that the mass media has doggedly foisted onto the public because they really dislike the actual truth:..."

That certainly is incorrect, I'm not paranoid.

Spaceman Spiff
March 9, 2012, 03:57 AM
without dabbling into politics i've seen a parallel to this argument in the (way too many) car blogs and sites i read...any movement towards increasing mpg instantly has everybody declaring the end of the world, no more sports cars, no more horsepower, blah, blah, blah...and yet the 580 hp camaro zl-1 has just been introduced and the ford mustang gt500 is coming out soon with over 600 hp from the factory (and there are plenty more examples of how raising fleet average mpg doesn't push the sports car into extinction)...

this is my way of echoing what hso said, basically...folks have a tendency to cry "game over!" without realizing their current situation is actually pretty good, and often better than not long ago...

FROGO207
March 9, 2012, 07:27 AM
In post #58 the reasoning libs use to justify their position is by using emotions and not logic/historic results. There are some that will never "get it" with respect to firearms just as they believe the the government would never do anything wrong/hurt them.:banghead: The local firearms buying spree has been fueled by a growing Bath Salts epidemic and the public wanting extra protection that any local LEO can't hope to provide.

alsaqr
March 9, 2012, 08:11 AM
Obama didn't do a thing to affect gun sales. We, the gun community, went on an irrational fear driven buying spree, running up prices and making guns and ammo scarce, in fear of a gun ban that was never even attempted

Bingo!!!
We are into our second iteration of the world as we know it is ending. According to the scurrilous shills for the ammo suppliers, gunbrokers, mom and pop gun stores, pawn shop and gun shows, the world as we know it will end on January 21, 2013.

Pilot
March 9, 2012, 08:40 AM
Perhaps even more important than the raw sales numbers is the fact that a large number of these gun purchasers are first time buyers, with a growing percentage being women, both young and old. And contrary to the media spin that the increase in gun sales is due to more people participating in “sporting” activities, the fact is that the primary reason most people give when asked why they are buying a gun is “for protection.”



Guys, one more time. It is just not gun enthusiasts buying more guns.

http://www.redstate.com/cmndr45/2011/12/02/soaring-gun-sales-an-indicator-of-the-real-state-of-the-union/

langenc
March 9, 2012, 11:59 PM
Ha... I love all the people that forget congress makes laws. Still, I would be lying if I said my collection had not exponentially grown in the past 4 years. 3 guns became ??? well at least 6 times that, but I am most certainly not done yet. Of course that likely would have happened anyways, it's not like they are more pretty and fun because of a panic.

From post #17

Laws are usually made by Congress-unless made by Pres (executive orders) Czars (regulations), rules (TSA-groping)

Obama has prevented many thousands of M1 rifles from coming back from Korea-too dangerous for someone?? for that many guns to be in the US.

exavid
March 10, 2012, 12:10 AM
Maybe if Obama loses the upcoming election gun and ammo prices will drop. Panic buying or whatever it is going on with gun buyers is pushing prices up so maybe if things calm down prices will go back down a bit.

ruger700
March 10, 2012, 12:29 AM
The facts are the facts. We are buying more out of fear of what the present administration can and will do. Thank goodness, he had not appointed a Gun Czar; yet.

DO NOT RE-Elect the current guy. One Big Awful Mistake America.

Not all of us are buying; a bunch of my friends lost their jobs due to his ignorant handling of economic matters.

PedalBiker
March 10, 2012, 12:33 AM
CONgress passes laws, the President can only sign or veto.

It's the supreme court nominations that are key and Obama has dealt gun owners two bad apples so far. Another term of our current president and the Supreme court will be a decidedly different body.

Of course Romney may give us more "corporations are people" justices.

Stevie-Ray
March 10, 2012, 12:40 AM
Is it still "he who dies with the most guns wins?" If so, I gotta get busier.

exavid
March 10, 2012, 01:16 AM
How would you deal with a corporation if not for the legal fiction that a corporation is a 'person'. To sue an entity it has to be a person, you can't really deal with an amorphous group of people. If the Federal Government gives permission to allow itself to be sued, it's also dealt with as though it was a person. It's not stupidity it's a very handy convention to legally deal with groups of persons, it would be rather difficult to sue Westinghouse if you had to subpoena all it's employees or executives at all levels to the courthouse.

Spaceman Spiff
March 10, 2012, 01:45 AM
How would you deal with a corporation if not for the legal fiction that a corporation is a 'person'. To sue an entity it has to be a person, you can't really deal with an amorphous group of people. If the Federal Government gives permission to allow itself to be sued, it's also dealt with as though it was a person. It's not stupidity it's a very handy convention to legally deal with groups of persons, it would be rather difficult to sue Westinghouse if you had to subpoena all it's employees or executives at all levels to the courthouse.

complicated by circumstances such as when corporations commit crimes, need bailouts in order to keep the entire economy from collapsing, etc. also, i think equating corporations to individuals when it comes to campaign contributions ain't all that bright either...

Sam1911
March 10, 2012, 09:03 AM
Drifting

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