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double00buckshot
February 22, 2012, 01:37 AM
I know this is out there to some but not to all

I am looking for the octagon rifle Sam Elliott uses in a shooting match for a new rifle he has to place the barrel in water to cool it off so he can continue shooting what GUN WAS THIS I WANT ONE !!!!

please help

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ArfinGreebly
February 22, 2012, 03:15 AM
Can you elaborate on the movie to which you're referring?

Apparently it's a Ben Johnson & Sam Elliott shooting match?

Thing, is, they've played in a number of movies together, and I haven't watched most of them.

Does this page (http://www.shilohrifle.com/rifles.php) have something like what you're looking for?


Oh, and BTW, start stuffing the piggy bank. I don't think any of the ones pictured come cheap.

Dnaltrop
February 22, 2012, 03:41 AM
I was going to try and Google-fu it earlier... but honestly had no clue, Tombstone? I don't think so... Rough Riders has Octagonal Barrel 1892 Winchesters apparently, and Sam Elliot... but never laid eyes on the film..

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Rough_Riders

Internet Movie Firearm Data Base is fun to poke through sometimes... No clue if I've got it right though this time.

Oh yes, Welcome to THR!.

ArfinGreebly
February 22, 2012, 03:58 AM
Haven't seen it, but both actors are in it, and it features shooting competitions.

drcook
February 22, 2012, 01:59 PM
I found a picture of the movie and it sure looks like a Sharps. If, as the script says, he was an "ex buffalo hunter", then most likely it will be a Sharps. There are some Italian copies. Pedersoli's are the best of the Italian copies. For the most part, Pedersoli makes the Sharps for Uberti. The other Italian ones suffer from soft lockwork, too long chambers, rough barrels. In other words, you do get what you pay for.

If you are really interested in one of these rifles, be prepared for the investment. With about 2K'ish landed (tax and shipping, keep in mind Shiloh's prices are without FET), then you have to add in another 1500 or so for sights, the reloading equipment and supplies to really shoot black powder (while you can shoot mild smokeless rounds, they really are designed and safer with black powder).

You can get the Italian models for less expense, depending on the exchange and shipping rates. But still, an entry level Pedersoli is going to cost around 1000, 1100 or so.

Buffalo Arms is one of the places folks gets supplies from.

http://www.buffaloarms.com/

If the initial cost doesn't frighten you off, then owning and shooting one of the old buffalo rifles is quite gratifying. (Keep in mind, Shilohs are hand built semi-custom rifles [semi- because they are not "one-offs"]). Developing loads takes time, but you would be amazed at the accuracy of these firearms. There are numerous matches around the country and folks shoot out to 1000 yds or beyond with IRON SIGHTS.

While I can't do it every time, this is my best group to date with one of my old time rifles, off cross sticks, iron sights.

This is at 200 yds. That is 5 shots. I came in SECOND place with this group. When I shifted from the sighter target to the For Score target and the first shot was not in the bull, then I decided to simply see how tight a group I could shoot and not do sight corrections.

http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2063/10245039/18392501/294782708.jpg

Steel Talon
February 22, 2012, 02:09 PM
" Open Range" I want one of Kevin Costners 17 shot revolver,that he used in the gun battle in the town.

TarDevil
February 22, 2012, 02:32 PM
" Open Range" I want one of Kevin Costners 17 shot revolver,that he used in the gun battle in the town.

I must've missed 2 shots! :)

RustHunter87
February 22, 2012, 08:30 PM
Quigley??
(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102744/)

cus according to the internet #2 is the winner, shiloh sharps

trailgator
February 23, 2012, 10:26 AM
It is "Wild Times". It was a TV miniseries. I rented it years ago from the video store. It's a pretty good rainy, Sunday afternoon movie.

drcook
February 23, 2012, 11:33 AM
This page:

http://www.yourtrailers.net/wild-times-tv-mini-series-1980

has a movie poster at the bottom, but the picture is not very clear. that is why I said it "looks" like a Sharps. You can see the big side hammer, but of course, lots of rifles back in the day, had a big side hammer.

mbt2001
February 24, 2012, 02:40 PM
It was an AR-15...

dfariswheel
February 24, 2012, 07:24 PM
The movie was "Wild Times".
The rifle was a Samuel Hawken muzzle loader.

That's why it took him so long to shoot the match and why he was so dirty and beat up at the end of it.
The Hawken was usually a 54 caliber and was developed as a Plains and mountain man rifle. Recoil was heavy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawken_rifle

highlander 5
February 24, 2012, 07:30 PM
If anyone's interested I know of two Shiloh Sharps for sale in my area but they ain't cheap.

Black Knight
February 24, 2012, 07:55 PM
I think the movie was "Conagher".

drcook
February 25, 2012, 05:19 PM
The movie was "Wild Times".
The rifle was a Samuel Hawken muzzle loader.

That's why it took him so long to shoot the match and why he was so dirty and beat up at the end of it.
The Hawken was usually a 54 caliber and was developed as a Plains and mountain man rifle. Recoil was heavy.

you are 100% correct. it took me a couple days, but I finally found some more writeups about the movie

BBQLS1
February 25, 2012, 10:38 PM
I have a Thompson Center replica of a Hawken in .50 Cal. Cool gun. Pictured, bottom:


http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n267/BBQLS1/Guns/IMG_1224.jpg

CZguy
February 25, 2012, 10:51 PM
drcook,

I really like the way you used the old dime in that picture. Nice touch.

Black Knight
February 25, 2012, 10:57 PM
I stand corrected. He has done so many they do get confusing from time to time.

rugerman07
February 26, 2012, 08:37 AM
" Open Range" I want one of Kevin Costners 17 shot revolver,that he used in the gun battle in the town.
I'd like to have one of those myself. :what:

drcook
February 26, 2012, 12:55 PM
These are 3 of my Sharps. Up close you can see the big side hammers. Underneath is a picture of a gentleman shooting a Gemmer Sharps. There was a gunsmith J.P. Gemmer (died 191, that customized Sharps to look like Hawkings. Gemmer took the Sharps barrelled action action (and possibly the buttstock) and restocked them with wiping rods, etc to have the look of a traditional Hawkens muzzle loader.

While I do have modern firearms, my passion is the old time single shot rifles. Due to a childhood injury, I cannot golf, throw a ball, do lots of things BUT I can still twitch a trigger finger and figuring out loads has given me a mental challenge.

Developing loads that will let you smack a gong over and over at 1000 yds using iron sights is a challenge. Also the folks who shoot the NRA sanctioned BPCR matches have the same kind of load development challenge for the steel animals.

Black powder is not as forgiving as smokeless. It fouls out, etc, but when you do hit on a load, they are extremely accurate.

I would bet that one or more of you on the board here would enjoy it very much also. (the ones that haven't shot these type of rifles before).

Here is a link to the company that owns the rights to the name. I suggest that you all really go take a look.

Under that is a link to one of the many shops that sell high quality muzzle loader kits, in this case a Hawken.

http://www.schuetzenguncompany.com/jpgemmergallery.php

http://www.daytraco.com/Departments/The-Hawken-Shop.aspx

http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2063/10245039/18392501/299611370.jpg

http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2063/10245039/18392501/401266020.jpg

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