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D*N*R*
February 22, 2012, 12:21 PM
Show me and i swear my next rifle will be a 30 06
A utube vidieo at a range (bench) where you shoot a 100grain then 200grain ect.(same rifle one after another ((slow paced 5 shots of each))
Dont care about drop just groups. It's easy to fake but then i would'nt be suprised. Put your bullets where your mouths are.:neener:All in good learning

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skidooman603
February 22, 2012, 12:31 PM
I have a question for you...Where in Mich are you from?

Hunterdad
February 22, 2012, 01:17 PM
What?

skidooman603
February 22, 2012, 01:31 PM
What?

My point exactly..I live in the same state and it kinda scares me..:scrutiny:

Certaindeaf
February 22, 2012, 01:35 PM
Missing link?

Gtscotty
February 22, 2012, 03:28 PM
D*N*R,

Please sir, spare we humble 30-06 users from the relentless onslaught of your keen wit, cutting logic and impeccable grammar.

Dr. Sandman
February 22, 2012, 03:56 PM
I think that the OP is issuing a challenge to the 30'06 lovers. He may want someone on this site to shoot 30'06 bullets of varied weight and then post the results on You-Tube. This may or may not be an attempt to troll or stir the pot. I work with people who have problems communicating. This is just my take on the post.

Certaindeaf
February 22, 2012, 04:19 PM
I think he wants us to gutshoot a lorax. I could be wrong though.

AethelstanAegen
February 22, 2012, 04:21 PM
He's been posting pretty heavily in the one-round-for-everything thread (it's called something like "turn in all rifles and choose one round" or something). I'm going to guess that what he's trying to say is that while the .30-06 can have bullet weights from 100gr to 200+gr (and thus is said to be the best all-around round), he doesn't think that any one rifle will shoot that spectrum of bullets (with varied grain weight) accurately across the board. So he wants someone to prove to him that you can accurately shoot different weight .30-06 rounds through one gun accurately.

That's my best guess for what he's asking anyways.

Edit: Sandman must have posted while I'm typing...it looks like we came to the same conclusion about his question, though Sandman summarized it more succinctly.

FlyinBryan
February 22, 2012, 04:23 PM
having troubles extracting your point here but i'm going to give it a shot:

i swear my next rifle will be a 30 06

excellent choice!!! congrats!!!

sage5907
February 22, 2012, 05:03 PM
My wife has a relative who used to wear tinfoil under his hat to protect himself from harmful radiation from space aliens. I wondered where he went!

shaggy430
February 22, 2012, 05:09 PM
I get what DNR is saying and I kind of like the idea. If I ever get a chance I'll try it out. I know I've got some 150's, 165's, and 180's (my Tikka shoots lights-out with all three). I'll see if I can find some 200 grainers and give it a shot.

Certaindeaf
February 22, 2012, 06:25 PM
I think he's crazzyness for the 30 06.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

T Bran
February 22, 2012, 06:33 PM
My 06 groups 150's and 180's equally well. Ijust loaded up some reduced 110 grain bullets but havent had a chance to run them yet. If I can get someone to make a video I'll be happy to comply with your request.
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Art Eatman
February 22, 2012, 06:57 PM
Never had any need to go heavier than 180 grains. But my Ol' Pet was sub-MOA with 110s, 150s, 165s and 180s.

Way back before most of y'all were born, I messed around with a 1917 Enfield and loaded 80-grain .32-20 bullets on top of a bunch of 3031. MV around 3,900 to 4,000. I guess around 1.5 to 2.0 MOA with a Weaver K2.5 on top. Sort of a jackrabbit disassembly load.

One-MOA with most brands of 150s. That Enfield was a good-shooting old rifle...

Certaindeaf
February 22, 2012, 07:17 PM
I use a Lyman 190gr gas checked spitzer in front of either 13gr Red Dot or I forget what gr IMR4895. And stuff. Paper patches

skidooman603
February 22, 2012, 08:09 PM
Never had any need to go heavier than 180 grains. But my Ol' Pet was sub-MOA with 110s, 150s, 165s and 180s.

Way back before most of y'all were born, I messed around with a 1917 Enfield and loaded 80-grain .32-20 bullets on top of a bunch of 3031. MV around 3,900 to 4,000. I guess around 1.5 to 2.0 MOA with a Weaver K2.5 on top. Sort of a jackrabbit disassembly load.

One-MOA with most brands of 150s. That Enfield was a good-shooting old rifle...

My 1917 still is..Won me my first CMP Medal. I'm thinking the OP picked the right screen name: DO NOT RESUSCITATE :D

NeuseRvrRat
February 22, 2012, 09:06 PM
or maybe Do Not Reply to these ridiculous threads and just let them fall to the bottom

Smith357
February 22, 2012, 09:50 PM
Don't need to show groups to a naysayer just look for yourself at the vast amount of reloading data and range of bullet weights and powders available for the .30-06.

These pages just barely scratch the surface, there are many reloading manuals full of expert tested data.

http://www.reloadammo.com/3006load.htm


http://www.accuratereloading.com/30-06s.html


http://loaddata.com/loads/30-06caliberloads.html


http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=30-06%20Springfield&Weight=All&type=rifle&Order=Powder&Source

http://www.imrpowder.com/data/rifle/30-06-2005apr03.php

StretchNM
February 22, 2012, 10:30 PM
DNR, are you saying "if you guys prove this or that to me, I will buy a 30-06"...?

It sounds like you're saying you don;t care for the caliber, but if we go do your bidding, you might consider it.

How about......I keep loading for, shooting, and liking my 30-06 and you buy or shoot or sell or barter some caliber (any caliber) you like? And nobody has to make a video or prove anything. Deal?

MachIVshooter
February 23, 2012, 01:34 AM
Sort of a jackrabbit disassembly load

That's funny right there

crazyjennyblack
February 23, 2012, 02:12 AM
Don't you usually have to re-sight your scope if you change bullet weight? I've never shot different kinds of bullets in the same group, but perhaps it would be easiest with iron sights. Inside 250 yards, a Remington 700 ADL with iron sights should easily put any weight bullet that you desire into a decent group. All of this with almost no fiddling around, provided that you do your part.

I have to admit, this question is pretty odd. Also, did anyone catch that the OP didn't specify a range that the target should be set at? It could be 25 ft, 100 yards, 1000 yards. He just didn't say. I would think that at 100 yards or less, different bullet weights would affect the group size much less than at 300, for example.

If DNR is really serious about considering an all-around -06 for different bullet weights, a used Remington 700 ADL with iron sights is a great option.

skidooman603
February 23, 2012, 06:45 AM
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/gunnerlad/TrollHammerPress-DRAFT1.jpg

skidooman603
February 23, 2012, 06:47 AM
i think that the op is issuing a challenge to the 30'06 lovers. He may want someone on this site to shoot 30'06 bullets of varied weight and then post the results on you-tube. This may or may not be an attempt to troll or stir the pot. I work with people who have problems communicating. This is just my take on the post.

see button above

D*N*R*
February 23, 2012, 09:02 AM
Sorry mabe its to clear? As far as i think a SAY one in ten twist rate barrel (common) will stabilize a certain lenght OR weight bullet. If any one has one that will group 100grain and 200grain that would be an awsome gun to have (30 06) i dont hear other cal' can do that. I asked if someone can show me because thats what i always hear WHY TO GET A 30 06 ?im to good looking to be a troll? uuh

sorry -some of you got it thanks

Art Eatman
February 23, 2012, 09:24 AM
As I said, I was happy with my results. SFAIK, both rifles were 1:10 twist.

MachIVshooter
February 23, 2012, 09:44 AM
As far as i think a SAY one in ten twist rate barrel (common) will stabilize a certain lenght OR weight bullet.

Slow twists may not stabilize heavy bullets, but fast twists will always stabilize lighter bullets. The issue becomes bullet RPM; Lighter bullets are faster, which means in a given twist rate, they're spinning faster. Spin them too fast, they come apart. It happened to a lot of guys back in the day trying to run lightly constructed .22 Hornet bullets in .22-250 and .220 swift at well over 4,000 FPS. A 1:12 twist and a MV of 4,400 FPS = 264,000 RPM

D*N*R*
February 24, 2012, 05:07 PM
Don't you usually have to re-sight your scope if you change bullet weight? I've never shot different kinds of bullets in the same group, but perhaps it would be easiest with iron sights. Inside 250 yards, a Remington 700 ADL with iron sights should easily put any weight bullet that you desire into a decent group. All of this with almost no fiddling around, provided that you do your part.

I have to admit, this question is pretty odd. Also, did anyone catch that the OP didn't specify a range that the target should be set at? It could be 25 ft, 100 yards, 1000 yards. He just didn't say. I would think that at 100 yards or less, different bullet weights would affect the group size much less than at 300, for example.

If DNR is really serious about considering an all-around -06 for different bullet weights, a used Remington 700 ADL with iron sights is a great option.
I keep trying to ask someone to show me 30 06 or any cal. can group with 100 grain bullet weight swing - out of the same barrel. Its just i only see 30 06 guys claim it. Now i see 55 grain accelerator round? WHO the heck sells 55 grain and ?what 220 grain bullets for the same rifle(meant for or not) all-yaall (not all) keep using that as a reason 30 06 is the way to go for everyone asking what would be best for them. REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT GETS UNDER MY SKIN. Good you like it> If i go elk or bear hunting sign me up for a 30 06.(prob.270wsm or 7mm rem mag.) but i can make a 06 work. Heck it's my favorite round<a hair wider bullet>

jimmyraythomason
February 24, 2012, 05:15 PM
The lightest bullet I've used is 125grn and the heaviest is 180 in both my Howa 1500 and custom Mauser 98 sporter with a Husqvarna 640 barrel. Both rifles group both loads equally well(scope adjustments necessary with same poa). I have shot 220 grns but never for groups and they are much too heavy for anything I hunt so I've had no reason to find out how they shoot. The Howa has a 20" barrel and the Mauser has a 22" barrel.

skidooman603
February 25, 2012, 08:07 AM
I keep trying to ask someone to show me 30 06 or any cal. can group with 100 grain bullet weight swing - out of the same barrel. Its just i only see 30 06 guys claim it. Now i see 55 grain accelerator round? WHO the heck sells 55 grain and ?what 220 grain bullets for the same rifle(meant for or not) all-yaall (not all) keep using that as a reason 30 06 is the way to go for everyone asking what would be best for them. REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT GETS UNDER MY SKIN. Good you like it> If i go elk or bear hunting sign me up for a 30 06.(prob.270wsm or 7mm rem mag.) but i can make a 06 work. Heck it's my favorite round<a hair wider bullet>

Must have added Wi-Fi to the new wing? From what I gather you want to see a 110gr and a 220gr group from the same rifle, at the same distance, on the same target, to prove???? That the same rifle will show equal accuracy with the top and bottom end grain weights, or where the POI shifts to? or how dead the paper is with each weight? I would happily perform your test when enough snow is gone to get to the target board...but I'm trying to get what exactly you want someone to prove to you with an 06...can't believe I'm letting myself get sucked into this..to top it all off, I will do it with an 03A4 75 year old rifle...But I'm sure the results will make you believe I cheated. As you stated from the outset...

jpwilly
February 25, 2012, 09:20 AM
D*N*R, The 30-06 does have 110 thru 220 grain factory ammo available and one can handload an even wider range of options. Whether you believe that or not doesn't change that fact. I've shot 150sp 165sp 168 175 180 and 200 grain bullets from mine all grouped well. I have no use for 110's out of mine because my varmint rig is a different rifle and caliber. Although I'm certain a 110 out of my 30-06 would work but I've never tested it.

skidooman603
February 25, 2012, 12:09 PM
The Dude wants to see it on paper...I love the 06 enough and am always game on a challenge, I will show him in black and white. My Old 03A4 did much harder things in WW2..Get a day above 40 degrees and less than 2 feet of snow on the firing line...I will revisit this farce of a thread. For now..argue with an idiot, and you bring yourself to their level...:scrutiny:

skidooman603
February 25, 2012, 12:15 PM
See ya in about 30 days...:D

Kachok
February 25, 2012, 01:58 PM
I only load my 06 with 150-180gr, I don't varmint hunt so I don't have any loads worked up for 110-125gr, and there are no brown bear around here so I don't need 200-240gr but I have known people who have shot all of the above with a 1:10 twist and were happy with the results. As long as the bullets has enough spin to stabalize it should group well once you get the load right. If you are worried about the light bullets, tight twists (1:9 or faster) have been used for years with 6.5x55s, 243s and 223s for varmint with exellent results, though slow twists are a little easier on the pressures if you are trying to get crazy speeds such as the 1:12-14 of a 22-250. For the heavy bullets 1:10 twist in 30 cals is well proven to stabalize 220gr bullets and some have even claimed very good results with bullets up to 250gr. The 240gr Weldcore was designed for the 1:10 twist 30-06 and all sources that I have found claim it shoots very good. Remember that it is the length of the bullet and not the weight that you have to stabalize, a 180gr tipped boat tail should be about the same length as a 220gr flat base round nose. So yes the 06 really is THAT versitle. In fact it is the most useful caliber out there for the non-handloader, though if you can roll your own the 7x57, 280Rem, 6.5x55 and 7mm Rem Mag are top picks too.

Boomie
February 25, 2012, 05:13 PM
I don't think I've ever seen 100 grain rounds for a 30-06. Mine will shoot the 125 (reduced recoil), 150, 180 and 200 grain rounds and get good (1-1.5 MOA) groups (although to different points of impact). I don't really want to buy 55 grain accelerators as they are expensive and I hear they leave sabot goo in your barrel.

BCRider
February 25, 2012, 08:55 PM
DNR, maybe try to write your posts up so they look a little less like someone that slung paint at a wall. Compose your thoughts into clear sentances. And don't present it so much as a "double dog dare ya" sort of manner. Instead more as a friendly wager sort of way.

What you're asking would take a LOT of testing. It requires finding a powder and amount that will work best with each weight of bullet. And then when it's all done seeing if they all managed to shoot to sub MOA or not.

Also not all the rifles used by everyone may be as flexible in such a wide range of loads. So it's not only the ammo but the rifle itself that you're asking to be tested.

Jeeping
February 25, 2012, 10:44 PM
I think what OP is after is that same rifle shooting light and heavy bullet equally well. I dont think his trolling (maybe a little), just wants to see if some one done any shooting with those types of weights in same rifle. Sense every body who recommends 30 06 instead of 308 always say that 06 will shoot 200gr and 308 wont.
If it help any DNR, I shoot 7.62x54r with 200gr and 100gr bullets. Lighter bullet seems a little less accurate.

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