New Firearm Lubricants


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KaibabMD
February 22, 2012, 08:30 PM
I am trying to keep up with advancing technologies. Which of these seem to provide the best lubricity for slides, bolts, etc? MPro 7 LPX, Breakfree, Militec, or FP-10?

Having trouble deciding what to use on my semi auto handguns and hunting rifles (bolt and lever).

Your thoughts please.

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sugarmaker
February 22, 2012, 09:43 PM
ATF (dexron 3 or 4) for stainless.

Jeff22
February 23, 2012, 05:26 AM
Slip 2000 Extreme Weapons Lube

(In reality, just about any of the high tech lubes work great. Lots of guys use Mobil 1 synthetic motor oil.)

2wheels
February 23, 2012, 05:34 AM
Honestly I don't freak out about choosing the absolute best lube, people use anything from grease to motor oil to ATF to magical next gen synthetic lubes. Find something that works and stick with it, I use Breakfree because it works for all my guns and it's very easy to find in my area.

ArchAngelCD
February 23, 2012, 05:41 AM
I have a cabinet full of gun care products but I now use only G96 products (http://www.g96.com/). I use their "Gun Treatment" on every firearm I own. If you don't like an aerosol can use their "Gun Oil". It's the same product but in a liquid form. I think these are the best products available on the market today...

Norrick
February 23, 2012, 06:42 AM
A little off topic... but is it alright to use engine oil? Engines and guns both deal with dirty gases, high temperatures, metal on metal contact, and high pressures (granted you don't want any oil in a barrel).

M-Cameron
February 23, 2012, 06:50 AM
A little off topic... but is it alright to use engine oil? Engines and guns both deal with dirty gases, high temperatures, metal on metal contact, and high pressures (granted you don't want any oil in a barrel).
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The AMU is (was?) using a lube which the primary ingredient Is 10-w30....


I use 10-w30 mixed with ATF.....works great


Honestly, there is really not much that Vunder-lube xxxx does that most lubes don't....hell, people have been using 3-in-1 for years and their guns work just fine

JTQ
February 23, 2012, 08:05 AM
They all probably work just fine. I now use SLIP 2000, though I've used BreakFree CLP, Ballistol, and Mobil 1 in the past.

Since I believe just about any quality lube works well, I now look for a non-toxic CLP, since I see no reason to expose yourself to toxic chemicals if you don't have to. I also like to save time (and shelf space) and use one product to Clean, Lube, and Protect.

A couple of "for what they're worth" comments.

- Mobil 1 (or any motor oil) even at 5w30 weight is still much thicker than most gun oils.

- WeaponShield is made by the guy that created FP-10. I think I'd pick WeaponShield over FP-10 if I had a choice.

19&41
February 23, 2012, 04:58 PM
I use this http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?q=super+lube for slide rails and Mobil 1 for actions.

rcmodel
February 23, 2012, 05:08 PM
I did some DIY lube tests a few years ago.

Method:
>1/4" aluminum rod chucked in lathe and spun at 1,500 RPM.
>1/4" x 1" steel bar on a pivit riding on rod, on edge.
>4 pound NRA trigger weight set hanging on end of steel bar, 12" from aluminum rod. (4 ft/pd pressure on rod?)
>Spun in lathe until galding on aluminum rod caused noticable chatter.
>New section of rod used for each test.


(Times to galding listed below).

Remington DriLube Spray= 2.37 sec.
Militec-1 oil applied 3x, heated, and wiped off each time = 3.48 sec.
Dry, run with no lube = 3.97 sec.
Militec-1 oil applied wet and left wet, over 3x treated surface = 5.73 sec.
Red Lithium automotive grease = 8.68 sec.
Pro-Gold gun grease = 10.37 sec.
Militec-1 grease applied over 3x treated surface = 10.52 sec.
GI issue CLP = 12.62 sec.
RCBS case sizing lube (STP?) = 13.20 sec.
30w motor oil = 15.93 sec.
Lubriplate (M1 Garand) grease = 25.12 sec.
Vasaline = 1 min. 31.38 sec.
Outers Gunslick Graphite grease = 2 min. 53 sec.
RemOil w/Teflon gun oil/bottle = 3 min 7 sec.

I'm not sure what all this means, but there it is!


rcmodel

Steel Horse Rider
February 23, 2012, 05:26 PM
Oil attracts dust and dirt, when they are mixed it becomes an abrasive. Depending on what the conditions are where you shoot you may want to add a corollary of your own to your lubricant of choice.

Creature
February 23, 2012, 05:34 PM
rcmodel, that's very interesting...and surprising!!

moxie
February 23, 2012, 08:37 PM
I just can't.

marcclarke
February 24, 2012, 12:52 AM
A little off topic... but is it alright to use engine oil? Engines and guns both deal with dirty gases, high temperatures, metal on metal contact, and high pressures (granted you don't want any oil in a barrel).
Sure. Many people use synthetic automotive oil (e.g. Mobil-1).

Automotive Transmission Fluid (ATF) is even better, as it has a superb combination of lubricity and anti-corrosion features.

See Grant Cunningham's treatise on ATF as the best of the lubricants available to use as a firearm lubricant.
http://www.grantcunningham.com/lubricants101.html

mes228
February 24, 2012, 06:35 AM
Yesterday I took a Les Baer Mono Heavy 1911 from the safe that had been stored for several months. And a Glock 23 stored for several months. I fired about 200 rounds through each. With no lube or oil. Just from the safe to the range and BANG. I also was firing every Mag I loaded as quickly as possible, maybe 2-3 seconds for 15 rounds through the Glock. And approx. 1 second for 8 rounds on the 1911. They were lubed with RemOil and Sentry Hi-Slip Grease several months ago. The Sentry Hi-Slip Grease is approved by Seals and Special Forces. Will not thicken at 65 below zero, and will continue to lube at 700 degrees. Will not wash off in water. Stays put through most anything. I believe the Sentry Hi-Slip to be the best available.

Why was I rapid firing? I was trying to emulate McCulek (spelling?) that shoots for Smith & Wesson. Saw him on TV, he was shooting 1911's and hitting steel silhouettes accurately. His normal trigger speed was 11 rounds a second (from memory - I think that's what the commentary said). I know that he fires so blindingly fast its unbelievable. So I tried it. At seven yards I can keep all the rounds on the "man" of a full size silhouette target. But they are everywhere!! Lots of fun though. I can shoot about 1"-2" groups at 7 yards with slower rapid fire. With RAPID RAPID fire I'm lucky to have 15" groups. I'm no McCulek thats for sure.

SOUTHPAW
February 24, 2012, 09:30 AM
Slip 2000 Extreme Weapons Lube

(In reality, just about any of the high tech lubes work great. Lots of guys use Mobil 1 synthetic motor oil.)


+1 for Slip2000. I liked it so much, I bought enough to last me a few years! :)

Sheepdog1968
February 24, 2012, 12:22 PM
Honestly I don't freak out about choosing the absolute best lube, people use anything from grease to motor oil to ATF to magical next gen synthetic lubes. Find something that works and stick with it, I use Breakfree because it works for all my guns and it's very easy to find in my area.
Mostly my approach. There are three that I tend to use.

Breakfree CLP - I'm already cleaning the gun with it so I might as well leave some on.
RemOil - They have these very nice little individual packs (like the sealed mini wipes) and they come in very handy for cleaning quickly at the range or when I'm traveling and just want to do a quick clean.
Jardine's Grease - The man is local and I've taken a class from him. I know he involved scientists to help develop it and he tends to be a very detail oriented person. Can't say for sure it's gonna be better but I like grease as it tends to stay put so I might as well use his. At least I know he was trying to make a better product.

A firearms hobbyist who works in the lubricant or automotive industry could easily test this to a pin and v-block experiment to find which ones are superior.

mes228
February 24, 2012, 03:08 PM
Any lube will work. However, will it work under all conditions, from Artic to Jungles? Will it work under water or will the "oil" RISE off the firearm ie if you MUST swim with the weapon? Will it work when you emerge from the water?Will it work when stored for lengthy periods of non-use ie months and months? The combo of RemOil and Sentry Hi-Slip Grease will do all the above. I believe that if you lube a 1911 with any oil product. Store it for months in your bedside table - it MAY not run reliably when you need it. It may be somewhat dry and 1911's prefer running somewhat wet.

Just my opinion based on products I've used. I'm no lubrication scientist and may not be entitled to an opinion. I do though, trust that approval for Spec. Forces and Seal teams use means something. Sentry Hi-Slip Grease carries more weight than my opinion. I assume ( I know it dangerous to assume anything) someone in the military IS a lubrication specialist and test lubes before they approve them for special unit use. I do know the combo works very well for me.

Certaindeaf
February 24, 2012, 03:14 PM
.I fired about 200 rounds through each. With no lube or oil.. They were lubed with RemOil and Sentry Hi-Slip Grease several months ago. .
So did you spray them down with brake cleaner before your range trip? Doesn't really make sense.. nevermind.

Ky Larry
February 24, 2012, 05:32 PM
My grandfather used Singer sewing machine oil on his Winchester Model 12 shotgun. After 75 years and God-only-knows how many rounds, my uncle still uses Singer sewing machine oil on it and it still works perfectly. What ever you use, keep your weapon clean and lubed and it will work for most of us. At 58 years old, I probably won't put my guns thru too many Special Forces situations.YMMV.

mes228
February 24, 2012, 06:21 PM
It really is a moot point. As I said ANY lube will do. The main point is that long periods of no cleaning or lubing and the firearm will still work with the combo I suggested. I suspect some people have a night stand gun thats is neglected and dry. Anything will do if it's applied somewhat regularly.

mes228
February 24, 2012, 06:26 PM
Certaindeaf, I should have said "no additional lube or re-oiling done". I never re-oil or lube anything before I shoot it. Seems to me if I need a weapon I need it RIGHT NOW and I need it to run. Probably wouldn't have time to re-lube so it has to run "as is".

481
February 24, 2012, 09:23 PM
Sure. Many people use synthetic automotive oil (e.g. Mobil-1).

Automotive Transmission Fluid (ATF) is even better, as it has a superb combination of lubricity and anti-corrosion features.

See Grant Cunningham's treatise on ATF as the best of the lubricants available to use as a firearm lubricant.
http://www.grantcunningham.com/lubricants101.html

Actually, (synthetic or conventional) motor oil (of any weight) has more corrosion inhibition and anti-wear additives than transmission fluid. Mr. Cunningham might be a fine gunsmith, but he demonstrates a tremendous lack of knowledge about the substances he is recommending as lubricants.

You can check out www.bobistheoilguy.com for more if you are interested. Lots of good (valid) info over there.

trex1310
February 24, 2012, 10:18 PM
I guess I'm like the Ronnie Milsap song "Stuck In The Fifties"
because I still use 3-In-1 oil. :o

KaibabMD
February 24, 2012, 11:22 PM
Spec Ops requirements? Not since I was a twenty year old Marine. I've been using Super Lube grease and Break Free LP and Collectors; they has been serving me well. But I'm chasing deer ... Not Taliban. I'm really impressed with how well Teflon works. I am not impressed by Militec (major suckage!). All the new stuff though, looks like all the old stuff with new packaging. So I thought I'd ask. Maybe I'll just stick with PTFE.

orionengnr
February 25, 2012, 07:37 PM
I have a bunch of different products. I use very few of them.

If I am cleaning a firearm to put back in the safe for a while, I use Eezox. Why? Because it is the best stuff around.
http://www.6mmbr.com/corrosiontest.html
When something better comes along, I'll buy and use it. On the down side, it is pricey and I can only buy it over the 'net, so I have to pay shipping as well.

For day to day CLP use, I started using use Ed's Red about a year ago. I am quite impressed with this formulation (equal parts ATF, mineral spirits, acetone and diesel fuel. Works as well as/better than many commercial products.

gp911
February 26, 2012, 12:16 PM
I use Breakfree CLP and 3 in 1 oil, might try some newer stuff when my supplies get low. Funny that vaseline was mentioned in the informal tests, a friend's grandfather smeared vaseline on his revolvers to preserve them in the NC humidity during storage. Sounds great in theory, but as I recall from that friend's prank of smearing vaseline in the door handles of my truck back in HS vaseline runs when hot and attracts mucho dirt.

Keeterbird
February 26, 2012, 12:24 PM
I like one product that I can count on for everything. I found Gunzilla. It cleans and lubs and my Ruger 95 and my CZ52 each have excess of 4,000 rounds-no rust and always work. That is about five years of shooting.

Keeter

gofastman
February 26, 2012, 12:31 PM
My slides and other high wear areas get Amsoil NLGI#1 (http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/gpor1.aspx) off road grease, it works great and a tube should last a LONG time.
Everything else gets BreakFree CLP, I may try EEZOX someday, though

KodiakBeer
February 26, 2012, 02:01 PM
I may try EEZOX someday, though

I've been running an experiment with EEZOX all winter. I've had an old Star Super tucked away in my SUV since October in a fabric Uncle Mikes Holster, along with two spare magazines. Since then, we've had temps down below zero, weeks of non-stop rain, weeks of blizzards and everything in between. Some mornings, my interior windows are coated with condensation and at other times I've had to scrape ice from both inside and outside. Temps have ranged from -10 to +50 degrees, sometimes rising or falling by 30 or more degrees in a few hours as one front follows another.

Every week or so, I pull it out and give it a cursory check.

The gun? Pristine. The mags (also coated with EEZOX)? Pristine.

I've been using this product for several years and the more I use it, the more impressed I am. The real beauty of EEZOX is that your gun doesn't get dirty. Or, it only gets a little dirty and additional dirt gets blown off as you shoot. Yet, it continues to retain its lubricating qualities. And now, I'm convinced beyond any doubt that its protective qualities are also as good as the company claims them to be.

No, I don't work for EEZOX or own stock in EEZOX. :)


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7even6ix2wo
February 26, 2012, 03:26 PM
Slide Glide works well. Little pricey for the amount you get though.

Walking Dead
February 27, 2012, 10:04 AM
I use engine oil that contains zinc. Zinc is where it's at for the best in lubricating metal on metal.

F-111 John
February 27, 2012, 11:02 AM
I use Ballistol. As good as anything for a CLP, and it's non-toxic.

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