Why I choose not to be a member of the NRA.


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Bentley4700
February 23, 2012, 12:15 AM
Another thread was being hijacked and I was asked to "backup" a negative statement that I made about the NRA. Here you go. All the info you need to understand what the NRA has really "accomplished" for gun rights...:scrutiny:

http://nrawol.net/

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mljdeckard
February 23, 2012, 12:30 AM
Then....why start it in the first place?

jmstevens2
February 23, 2012, 12:38 AM
Oh yea, get info from a group trying to put them down. Why not pick the republican candidate based on what obamas campaign says. Good idea.

If you look at things from the view of the NRA, they tell you straight up, they are a one issue organization, Gun rights period.
Bad as Harry Reed is, he has voted consistently in the past for gun rights, at least as of the time they made the endorsement. I haven't looked at him recently. That is the NRAs only benchmark.
They are pro gun and they are the 800 pound gorilla in the room. It would be foolish to abandon them. If you don't like them join, get active and change them from within like they did in the early 70s, I think it was, at the Cincinnati annual meeting.

Davek1977
February 23, 2012, 05:16 AM
Gotta love the internet...You can always find a source that will "back" any claim, no matter how absurd it may be. Do you believe our nation's government is run by lizard people? Me neither, but there's several websites that claim exactly that. Just because you find a website agreeing with a certain viewpoint doesn't mean that the debate has ended, not by a long shot.

My opinion is I throw away far more than an NRA membership runs on far more mundane things like soda. If nothing else, it makes me feel united with other gun owners, and each time the NRA is part of something, in an albeit tiny way, so am I. I've yet to find a group MORE deserving of my annual 20 bucks.

leadcounsel
February 23, 2012, 05:53 AM
People can find lots of reasons to pretend to be pro-2A but save a few bucks on the membership. I can think of only 1 reason to not support the NRA - you're cheap.

Ever wonder if, in making those "compromises," maybe those compromises wouldn't have been necessary if MORE people were members and contributed? Maybe if instead of 1 million members at the time they had 200 million members, then some of those "compromises" would not have been so...

The NRA is a monster lobby in DC. The mere fact that anti-gun groups hate the NRA should be proof enough. Not good enough, I have two words:

Heller. McDonald.

parsimonious_instead
February 23, 2012, 06:59 AM
If you're concerned about finances, become an "associate" member of the NRA - it's very inexpensive.
Their effectiveness might be debatable, but you can't deny that they're the largest, and adding to the membership rolls can only help.
No one says that you can only belong to one pro-RKBA organization - GOA, SAF, JPFO are all good ones, too.

kinkinhood
February 23, 2012, 09:52 AM
I've always had very mixed feelings in regards to the NRA. On one hand I am very much for their efforts to protect gun ownership rights and to prevent unnecessary regulation because people believe that somehow in some way it'll prevent felons from getting the firearms. On the other hand some of their political tactics feel questionable and they will run off rumors and exaggerations.

In the end though as long as they don't go too far into the deep end of running off rumors, half truths, and exaggerations I'll keep my support for them as their benefits still outweigh their shortfalls.

DAP90
February 23, 2012, 10:38 AM
Iíd rather have an imperfect NRA than simply trust our elected officials to look out for our constitutional rights. Cynical as it may be Iíve started to suspect politicians donít care about my rights at all. :scrutiny:

Iím sure there are other fine pro-2A organizations out there but I donít know of any that wield the same clout as the NRA. Having the perfect agenda doesnít mean anything if you donít have the clout to get it accomplished.

Sheepdog1968
February 23, 2012, 11:23 AM
Supposedly the NRA is the second most powerful lobbying group after the AARP. The more members they have the more clout. Just think how things would be different if all gun owners in the USA joined the NRA? No, they are not perfect at and times I get annoyed with them but I am and will always be a member.

Rob G
February 23, 2012, 11:43 AM
I've never actually joined the NRA because, well I'm not sure really, but I just haven't. I think I will now though. Thanks for the kick in the pants. I'm going to go see what it costs.

jcwit
February 23, 2012, 12:13 PM
An imperfect comprise is much better than loosing the whole issue, I understand thats VERY hard for some to understand or comprehend, but it is the fact.

Ant remember the NRA is the BIG DOG on the porch and the rest are only chihuahua's nipping at the heals.

To think otherwise is total foolishness.

saltydog452
February 23, 2012, 12:32 PM
Just guessing, but I imagine the reason that you aren't a member is that you prefer a free ride. Again just a guess, but ethically, politically, and moraly, you seem likely to move in whatever direction the winds blow.

Nothing personal, but there are millions of folks who fit that general description. So you aren't alone. Intentionally or not, you have joined the herd.

Right now it seems that we are headed for a world class Buffalo Jump.

salty

jcwit
February 23, 2012, 12:46 PM
Another thread was being hijacked and I was asked to "backup" a negative statement that I made about the NRA. Here you go. All the info you need to understand what the NRA has really "accomplished" for gun rights.

Just what do you do to support the 2nd Amendment, both in monies and personal time?

As stated, the rest of use will attempt to carry you on our backs, may you pray we do in fact win the battles and the war, even without the help.

Water-Man
February 23, 2012, 01:26 PM
I support the Second Amendment Foundation. You should consider doing so as well.

MtnSpur
February 23, 2012, 01:38 PM
While the NRA certainly isn't perfect it's a HUGE GORILLA in D.C. that fights for YOUR right to own a firearm(s). Without their diligence in ferreting out all the anti-gun legislation we would be buying slingshots to protect ourselves and our loved ones.

The anti-gun groups are funded by billionaires that want more control in Washington over YOU and YOUR Constitutional rights. Yep, complacency breeds slavery and I for one will be fighting tooth and nail to keep what rights I have left by any means available to me, The NRA being one. This is my condensed version.

leadcounsel
February 23, 2012, 02:13 PM
It's no coincidence that:

-The AWB sunset without being resigned.
-CCW laws have become common in most states in the last 10 years
-Heller was a narrow victory
-McDonald, again a victory
-Heller and McDonald were the most important cases in the history of the 2A, and arguably among the most important cases in US history. The secured the INDIVIDUAL right to keep and bear arms.
-Gun laws are easing in many states. Suppressors, for instance.
-Bad gun laws get killed in Congress

Yes, the NRA is the 1000 lb Gorilla in DC.

Good point to consider, what do YOU do to fight for the 2A?

Steel Horse Rider
February 23, 2012, 04:05 PM
I am a 20+ year member of the NRA but I am letting my membership expire this year due to their support of leftist politicians who have YET to vote against a gun issue (in my case because none had come before the House in her 1 term) but voted to keep Nancy Pelosi as the Speaker. At the time my District was CO-04 and the challenger was from the Colorado legislature and a nearly perfect voting record according to the NRA. He won despite the money and mailers the NRA sent out supporting the liberal Democrat. I contacted the NRA and had several discussions with a number of folks but I felt their reasoning was very poor. You cannot separate and divide the Constitution piecemeal and expect it to work as intended, the Second Amendment falls if many of the other amendments supporting legal and individual rights fall. That is my beef with the NRA. I am joining GOA as they tend to be less RINOish...... :banghead:

oneounceload
February 23, 2012, 04:14 PM
Seems the Op hasn't been back, must be a drive-by thread

TarDevil
February 23, 2012, 04:23 PM
I was a NRA member but didn't renew this year as a personal protest. When I joined last year I was promised a promo give-away. After I joined I got another card saying send us more $$ and fill out more cards and we'll send you your freebee. More cards, more promises. Never got the give-away item, in spite of a torrent of letters.

Most likely will join in the very near future, but still have issues with them keeping their word to individual members.

krupparms
February 23, 2012, 05:06 PM
:cuss:To those who say they are carrying the rest of us who willnot join the NRA. I see it as us carrying you! Keep your heads in the sand, but when you come up for air we will be the one's that have done the work! To the lawyer, some of us who have paid for your right don't have money to throw away as we live on disability! That is the cost of freedom! If you have money to waste, pay for disabled vets to get membership! I have to save up to buy a box of ammo!

Ford Prefect
February 23, 2012, 06:01 PM
"The National Rifle Association has been in support of workable, enforceable gun control legislation since its very inception in 1871."

óNRA Executive Vice President Franklin L. Orth
NRA's American Rifleman Magazine, March 1968, P. 22

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=3247

:banghead:

Ford Prefect
February 23, 2012, 06:20 PM
"The NRA supported The Federal Firearms Act of 1938, which regulates interstate and foreign commerce in firearms and pistol or revolver ammunition..."
óAmerican Rifleman
March 1968,


:banghead:

jcwit
February 23, 2012, 06:23 PM
Keep your heads in the sand, but when you come up for air we will be the one's that have done the work!

So just what is it that you have done?

Ford Prefect
February 23, 2012, 06:25 PM
'We believe that the machine gun, submachine gun, sawed-off shotgun, and dangerous and deadly weapons could all be included in any kind of a bill, and no matter how drastic, we will support it." ..."the association I represent is absolutely favorable to reasonable legislation.' NRA Executive Vice President Milton Reckord - House Ways and Means Committee, House Hearings on National Firearms Act, (April/ May 1934)
:banghead:

jcwit
February 23, 2012, 06:35 PM
People who criticize others for not joining the NRA are ignorant AND arrogant.

All I can say is that statement is quite an opinion from someone who doesn't know an awful lot of folks who help support his 2nd Amendment rights.

phil dirt
February 23, 2012, 06:40 PM
About ten years ago, in Washington state, the anti gun folks were able to get their Initiative 676 on the state ballot. Had it passed, gun owners in WA would have had restrictions placed on our gun rights that would have been the Bradys' dream come true. The NRA spent well over a million dollars and hundreds of hours to help us get organized and finally shoot 676 down in flames. Having been actively involved in that fight, I had the opportunity to watch, first hand, the fine work done for gun rights by the NRA. I'm convinced that had we not had their support, Washington state would now have the same sort of stupid gun laws as those inflicted on the citizens of California, Massachusetts and New Jersey. I wish that those of you on this site who are too misinformed, or just plain cheap, to support the NRA could have seen what I saw. Bye the way, the Second Amendment Foundation was there to help too, but only the NRA had the money, the organization and the clout to defeat Initiative 676.

Ford Prefect
February 23, 2012, 06:40 PM
Following the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy in 1968, Heston and actors Gregory Peck, Kirk Douglas and James Stewart issued a statement calling for support of President Johnson's Gun Control Act of 1968
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlton_Heston&sa=U&ei=l79GT-qQJOfr0gGVgNn0DQ&ved=0CBAQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNG2wiN8aF5byof80fwOg_Hh_S6DEg

Ford Prefect
February 23, 2012, 06:42 PM
CHARLTON HESTON: We're in favor of the Brady Bill as it stands now. To a large extent, we drew it up in its current form.
SAM DONALDSON: Mr. Heston, the NRA opposed the Brady Bill.
COKIE ROBERTS: At the time.
HESTON: No, we supported the Brady...
DONALDSON: Once it was passed...
HESTON: We opposed it at the beginning and we were a large factor in the language of the bill.



:banghead:

Ford Prefect
February 23, 2012, 06:45 PM
TIM RUSSERT: Do you support -- on your Internet it says trigger lock legislation is an invasion of privacy. It says you're against it.
LAPIERRE: No, we have always supported safety locks. We're supporting the bill on Capitol Hill right now that provides mandatory...
RUSSERT: In states throughout the country?
LAPIERRE: Mandatory safety locks with the sale of every gun, instant checks on gun shows done with a 24-hour delay, and violent juveniles prohibited from owning guns.
- NRA VP Wayne La Pierre


:banghead:

DAP90
February 23, 2012, 06:47 PM
We may still be living with the effects of those decisions but all the things you just referenced happened 40+ years ago. Many things have changed since then; including the NRA

Edit: except for the trigger lock quote; which is obviously more recent.

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February 23, 2012, 07:02 PM
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