so lets see what weapons there are that don't go bang.
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February 24, 2012, 02:18 PM
That we own? That we carry? That're in our car? What?
I'm sitting in an office in Bagram, Afghanistan, as I type. I'm sure there are at least 500 things that don't contain gunpowder within 4 steps that I could injure or kill with...
Spray cleaners, bottles, computer monitors, chairs, sugar, hot sauce, a hard-covered notebook, water bottles...you've got to be a little more specific.
February 24, 2012, 02:56 PM
You could post a picture of your office perhaps, John?
February 24, 2012, 11:42 PM
Let's just bound the OP's question to the reasonable assumption that he's asking about what we own. M'kay?
February 25, 2012, 01:25 AM
I'm carrying a Spyderco Dragonfly H1, some random Gerber automatic knife, an Inova X1 light, and a Gerber Shard. Though the previously-mentioned hard-cover notebook would be my first choice to use defensively, if I wasn't holding a bottle of water.
And my M9 wasn't an option for whatever reason- sudden attack from close range "inside the wire" (on post), for instance. Even if I could just produce my sidearm without opportunity to run the slide, a duty handgun makes a pretty good impact tool.
These don't seem to link anywhere relevant to the thread.
Would you care to clarify of fix the links so they point somewhere useful?
February 25, 2012, 02:36 AM
You like them too? Great little gadget. It's not an Atwood piece but then it's not in the double or triple digit dollar range either :D
February 25, 2012, 06:16 AM
Oh, yeah. Have used the screwdriver and bottle-opener functions most. :)
February 25, 2012, 07:54 AM
I don't think I could ever gather everything for pics. But I do have this pic I took and posted a few years ago on carry items that I rotate depending what I am doing. Many of these have been replaced and the general selection has expanded considerably.
Never mind that most things that could quality as non-firearm weapons are legitimate tools. :rolleyes:
February 26, 2012, 09:10 AM
Ahhhhh, I think the OP's going to have to explain what he means by "weapon" since you and I and the more experienced members here already understand that we're surrounded by defensive tools all day long. We're only limited by our imagination and will to practice using them as weapons. Heck, the hardware store is full of NFW, but they may not be what he's looking for either (Sling Blade aside;)).
OTOH, if he wants dedicated purpose built weapons (knives, maces, swords, axes, pole arms) he might need to narrow the scope since we have plenty of members carrying canes, pens, bandanas, etc. that are mundane looking every day carry items that we carry as weapons to hide in plain sight.
I'll try to get a pic of the swords, axes, spears, etc. later today.
Nice, redmond. I have been interested in a small sword from Kult of Athena, practical looking thing, if I could get it in black. :)
February 26, 2012, 10:47 AM
Purpose built weapons are the ones that can get you fired or even locked up dispite what the Constitution says.
Those primairaly intended for other purposes are not seen as "evil" by the authoritied though they can do the job of just as well. Recent threads have talked about using:
Walking canes as fighting sticks
Locks as brass knuckles
Tire thumpers as billy clubs
coin purses as saps.
rocks and other heavy articles in a sock as flails or slungshots.
Even in a fairly prohibitive enviroment like an office a mentally prepaired man has the ability to access to several suitable potential weapons that are always within easy reach.
I don't have the ability to post photos right now but if I did I might show a picture of the 24" steel rod in the coat rack by the door, the fire extinguisher, a salt shaker full of salt, a steaming hot pot of coffee and the coil of wire in my notebook. Would you know how to employ these things if some nut took everyone hostage at work?
February 26, 2012, 11:04 AM
My favorite non-firearm "weapon" is a good flashlight. Even if you never hit anyone with it, they're just plain useful, and also they help you keep situational awareness.
The ElZetta ZFL-M60 is my favorite. Froze, dropped, and burned one. Still ticking. Over 56 hrs on low light level, and can use rechargeable batteries. Pics at ShootingReviews.com.
February 27, 2012, 10:53 PM
A few years ago I went down to Nogales, Mexico. I was aware of the violence that has increased along the border, and while Nogales isn't Ciudad Juarez or Mexicali, it's not Provo, Utah either. Since I couldn't take a gun with me, I wanted a weapon I could depend on to protect myself and still be discreet. Since I'm senile and forgot to take my CS City Stick with me, I relied on another Cold Steel product, my Sharkie pen. I trust my knives to always function and be reliable, but you don't always want to have to kill someone when you're defending yourself. Besides, unless you score a stab through the medulla or the brain stem, you can't be sure you're going to disable your attacker. For stopping power, a blunt force weapon is generally easier and more reliable to apply than a slashing or stabbing weapon that I'm going to be carrying most of the time.
As I was walking back to my car, I noticed I had a bit of a shadow, except that my shadow was gaining ground on me. I estimated that he'd reach me just about the time I got to my car, and I was correct. As I got to the car dor I felt a hand on my shoulder turning me around. If you have seen my picture (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=7766269&postcount=5) you know I'm an overweight guy, though much less so. I'm still over the 300 pound limit, and I occasionally walk with a limp. As such, I imagine I was being seen as the typical fat, lazy American who would make an easy target. Boy, did he guess wrong. Since I'm an old man (trust me, after the way I've abused my body, 47 is old) I'm not the weight-lifting, rock-climbing ROTC Cadet I was in college, but I do still remember my Tae Kwon Do. I remember about pressure points.
As I was turned around I knew a punch was coming. The guy was really an idiot. Blocking it wasn't difficult. Since I knew I was being followed, I was already holding my Sharkie pen. My hand was in motion as he turned me around, the pen hit him right in the perfect spot on the neck. He didn't make much of a sound except for some air escaping and a mumbled grunt as he fell to the ground.
If I had used my Benchmade Griptilian, even if I struck a fatal blow, would it have been incapacitating? How much would he have been able to fight back? What if he was HIV positive and I got splashed with his blood? The combination of perfect strike placement and a forceful blow put him down and completely out. While a cane would have allowed me to keep a little more distance, I have no problem with the performance of the Sharkie. For those who don't know what it is, it looks like a large Sharpie pen, but it's made with VERY thick polymer they call Grivory. For all intents and purposes it's as strong as a plain kubotan would be against a person.
Short sticks like the skarkie can be every bit as effective as brass knuckles and in the hands of a trained fighter they are a fearsome weapon. In the hands of your wife or girlfriend, not so much. Kubatons do not make YOU a better puncher. What they do is make your punch better by concentrating the power on a very small, very hard area. You still have to be able to land the punch. If you know how to box or have a background in martial arts they are a serious weapon. If you don't know how to punch they are next to useless. People make the mistake of buying these things and thinking that they are protected without cultivating the sense of timing and distance that only comes from repetitive training on the bag. Worse yet buying them for wives and girlfriends who never bother to practice with them at all.
February 27, 2012, 11:55 PM
If your using a Kubaton as a fist load your not using it as fully intended. Kubatons are force multipliers meant to be used as strikers attacking soft tissue such as eyes, throat, pressure points ; joint minipulators/destroyers and come-alongs. Attached to a key ring full of keys they become a flail.
They are useful in helping a weaker person to strike sensitive areas such as the face to achieve release so they can run away.
To Add, if your looking for an effective fist load seek out a Comtech Stinger
February 28, 2012, 12:18 AM
It is an Estwing Gad/Pry bar.
That is actually pretty awesome.:eek:
February 28, 2012, 12:25 AM
I punched a bag with a kubaton with a key ring exactly ONE time. It really hurts when that wad of keys whips your pinkey finger. No more of that.
One other advantage kubatons offer is that they turn practically every part of the attackers body into a potential target. I know of someone who attempted to hit an attacker in the groin with one but missed and hit him in the crease where the leg joins the body and it still dropped him. A bare fist strike there would probably have been ineffective.
February 28, 2012, 03:07 AM
That crease is a favorite target in some Japanese martial arts. If you hit it right, they fold.
February 28, 2012, 02:27 PM
To strike the groin effectively from an upright position Think of the position your hand is in when carrying a suit case or the bowling ball release. The pendulem action striking the groin is much more effective than a closed fist.
When you use the Kubaton or kappo stick,or yawara your concentrating your force on a fixed point (a force multiplier)
February 28, 2012, 04:00 PM
Yes I mean actual weapons not keys or pens or that sort of junk I mean knives swords maces spears axes bows crossbows batons daggers boot knives
to name some
February 28, 2012, 08:13 PM
My Buck 143
A custom I picked up at a gun show.
My favorite outdoor workhorse, Ontario 18" military machete
Last but not least, my vicious attack dog
February 28, 2012, 10:53 PM
One point that you need to learn is that you're more likely to have some "sort of junk" around when your life is in danger. You're much better off learning how to recognize these sorts of weapons and learn how to use them to protect your life than the Conan collection. Respect these more useful weapons and the people that know how to use them because they're focused on reality instead of fantasy.
Something other than knives.
February 28, 2012, 11:40 PM
Sticks, clubs and knives may not be the best weapons, but they are often the best weapons that you can have on hand at work. I have access to a 24" steel tube in the coat rack that I can access in just a few seconds. Sure I would prefer a shotgun but this heavy length of pipe would be the next best thing to a firearm. I actually practice with it and that gives me a tremendous advantage over the next guy.
February 29, 2012, 12:25 AM
24" steel tube
Now that will leave a mark!:evil:
February 29, 2012, 01:11 AM
So...the OP isn't interested in what we're most likely to use defensively- for me, that's probably a flashlight- he's just interested in fantasy weapons.
March 3, 2012, 09:12 AM
This is always near by here in Cambodia.
March 5, 2012, 02:24 PM
I was working in the garage one afternoon and my wife in her usual playful mood came out to say hi. I told her I was busy and not in the playing mood so to lightin me up she grabbed the 10mm craftsman combo wrench (open end / box end) out of my hand and started to run off with it. I quickly spun around on my stool and grabbed her by the other wrist before she could run away with my wrench and being the resourceful woman that she is she quckly stuck the open end of the wrench into a horrible pressure point on my hand causing me to let go. Laughing and chasing her through the house I finally caught up to her to ask for my wrench back. She said nope it's mine now did you see how fast you squealed like a girl and turned me loose this is way more effective than a plain ol' car key and promptly slipped my wrench onto her key ring. So I guess any generic pic of a combo wrench will work for this post huh? Point being if you see a smokin hot redhead with a wrench BEWARE she knows how to use it...LOL..