Why not a Glock 19???


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FMF Doc
February 24, 2012, 04:23 PM
I used to have a G19 for my CCW. In fact, it was my only gun for a while. I had it about a year before I got rid of it. I went through a litany of other guns including Ruger SP101, LCR, Sig P232, DB380 and now I have a Ruger LC9. Other than the old RTF that ate up my clothes and my flesh, I don't remember what else I disliked about the gun so much that I got rid of it. It wasn't the most accurate, but it was good enough for close in defense, and that after all is its real purpose. I am considering getting another one, a Gen 4 this time, but have this nagging feeling that there was a reason I get rid it it the first time, and it was more than the grip. I like that it is durable and holsters and other accessories are ubiquitous. But I also dislike the grip angle some, and that it is striker fired; no cocking back the hammer for a more precise single action shot like on a revolver or sig. I have $500 to spend on a medium sized (around G19 size) high capacity (more than my LC9) gun. For that money in my area my choices are G19 Gen 4, Sig Sp2022, CZ 75P07duty. I like all the platforms, they are all about the same size and all about the same price, with the Glock actually being the most expensive at exactly $500. I have never shot the CZ or the Sig, but I have shot many of their similar brother and sisters (Sig P226, P229 etc; CZ75B, and Phantom) So, any suggestions...??? Should I go back to the Glcok19 that I know, and trust and know I'll be able to find holsters and accessories for, or go to the heavier, larger but (for me) more accurate Sig or CZ???

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marksman13
February 24, 2012, 04:33 PM
For me, the issue with the G19 sized pistols was the grip length. I love my full sized Glocks, and I can even tolerate the G26 sized guns, but the mid size pistols just feel cramped. With a G26 I know my pinky is going to hang off the bottom and I accept it. The G19, on the other hand has a grip that is just long enough to get all three fingers on it, but just short enough that it doesn't feel natural. That may not make any sense, but it is the reason that I only own full-sized and mini Glocks and no 'tweeners.

allaroundhunter
February 24, 2012, 04:33 PM
If I was going to get a Sig for CCW, it would be a P229. That said, I love my Glock 19, but it has been replaced with my M&P9 FS as my main carry gun (when I can carry). I just prefer the ethos of the M&P over the Glock, and the sights settle back in target quicker (for me) with the M&P. The full size M&P is slightly larger than the Glock, but I don't notice it much when carrying IWB, and I don't notice it at all OWB.

All in all, I would take the Glock over any of your other choices. But again, that's just me. I think it is hard to beat a Glock 19/23 for a CCW gun.

BoilerUP
February 24, 2012, 04:40 PM
My carry weapon is a G19...but at least consider a Sig P2340 or P2022 at that price point. Had a P2340 from my father for a while...balanced well, lighter than a 229 (which I also have), but accurate.

SOUTHPAW
February 24, 2012, 05:04 PM
Last week I went to buy a G19 but decided on a G23 instead.

The reason; I already have a G26 and the G23 is essentially the same gun as a G19 but chambered in a .40 with the ability to simply drop in a 9mm conversion barrel or a stock .357 barrel. Basically 3 guns in 1.

HKGuns
February 24, 2012, 05:04 PM
Why not? Because there are so many better options available and you've named a few of them. If you have to settle for a gLoCk avoid the Gen 4 crap they put out. It has been nothing but problems, from what I have read. But I won't own a gLoCk so what do I know?

AK103K
February 24, 2012, 05:11 PM
For me, the issue with the G19 sized pistols was the grip length. I love my full sized Glocks, and I can even tolerate the G26 sized guns, but the mid size pistols just feel cramped. With a G26 I know my pinky is going to hang off the bottom and I accept it. The G19, on the other hand has a grip that is just long enough to get all three fingers on it, but just short enough that it doesn't feel natural. That may not make any sense, but it is the reason that I only own full-sized and mini Glocks and no 'tweeners.
That pretty much sums it up for me too. Saved me a lot of typing. :)

Zerodefect
February 24, 2012, 05:41 PM
You need a Glock and 1911 in your collection. No doubt about it.

I picked the Glock 23 over the 19. I try to pack as much power as I can fit into what ever size frame I feel like carrying.

SOUTHPAW
February 24, 2012, 05:57 PM
Why not? Because there are so many better options available and you've named a few of them. If you have to settle for a gLoCk avoid the Gen 4 crap they put out. It has been nothing but problems, from what I have read. But I won't own a gLoCk so what do I know?
The Gen4 problems were limited to certain parts in certain models. If you get a bad one, Glock rectifies it in a matter of days and the fixed guns have been flawless from what I've read.

Of course, my personal experience with the Gen4 has been limited to only 675 rounds through my G23, but so far so good. Love my Glocks. They go bang every time...

dprice3844444
February 24, 2012, 06:09 PM
after 100 rounds gotta put a bandaid on trigger finger cause of frame rub,don't happen with the 17

Old krow
February 24, 2012, 06:12 PM
The Gen4 problems were limited to certain parts in certain models.

I believe that was predominately the spring. They used the same spring in the G23 as they did in the G19 and it caused some issues with certain ammo. My g/f has one and even though her's didn't have any issues, Glock replaced the spring.

allaroundhunter
February 24, 2012, 06:28 PM
The double buffer recoil spring caused problems in the Gen 4 Glock 17/19 because it was too stiff to cycle 9mm rounds reliably (I believe). But it all been ironed out now I think.

psyopspec
February 24, 2012, 10:17 PM
The reason; I already have a G26 and the G23 is essentially the same gun as a G19 but chambered in a .40 with the ability to simply drop in a 9mm conversion barrel or a stock .357 barrel. Basically 3 guns in 1.

While it probably won't hurt the pistol to do as you describe, you'll also need to swap out the ejector and magazine (.40/9mm) if you want it to be as reliable as possible.

FMF Doc
February 24, 2012, 10:21 PM
Thanks for the imput. I don't want a G23 because I don't want .40SW. For one, I don't like the round, I find it "snappier" than 9mm, I get less capasity than 9mm in the same size package, and I don't want to add another caliber to my arsenal. I would much prefer the Sig P229 but they go for the $750 and up price range. I may own a 1911 some day, but right now, with limited money, I have to prioritize. The 1911 is a want, a fun gun, not a working gun for me. And the ones that I would want carry a $1600+ tag. I have no worries about the Gen 4 glocks. I shot 300 rounds through a rental Gen 4 19 last week with only one misfire, and that was a bad primer (ammo prob, not the gun).

KAS1981
February 24, 2012, 10:39 PM
For me, the issue with the G19 sized pistols was the grip length. I love my full sized Glocks, and I can even tolerate the G26 sized guns, but the mid size pistols just feel cramped. With a G26 I know my pinky is going to hang off the bottom and I accept it. The G19, on the other hand has a grip that is just long enough to get all three fingers on it, but just short enough that it doesn't feel natural. That may not make any sense, but it is the reason that I only own full-sized and mini Glocks and no 'tweeners.
This!

I always thought Glocks didn't fit my hand, until I tried a G17. Up until then it was all 19s & 23s. I think the shorter grip puts the Glock "hump" in the exact wrong spot on my palm, and it just doesn't feel right. The first time I picked up a 17, I was pretty surprised.

But that's just me. Plenty of folks out there carry and get along with their 19's just fine.

Gtscotty
February 25, 2012, 12:31 AM
I guess I'm an outlier on this one, but I've always thought the G19/G23s were about the perfect size, big enough to be very controllable, but not so big that there is a bunch of unoccupied grip hanging out below my hand.

There are many fine pistols on the market, but if you're looking for a working gun, and the Glock fits your hand, I really don't see that any of the other similarly priced brands have any ground breaking advantages over the Glock.

I like interesting pistols as much as the next guy, but I want my go-to pistol to be common to the point of boredom. I do not want to worry about getting dings, scratches or wear on my go-to pistol. I want parts to be cheap and plentiful, I want magazines and sights to be available everywhere. If something happens to my go-to pistol, I want to be able to stop by any gun store, replace it with an exact copy and be back in business.

Glocks fit my requirements for a go-to pistol, they may or may not fit your's.

I would think that after the 300 rounds you shot last week, you would probably remember if the Glock had any traits that were particularly annoying to you.

Weedy
February 25, 2012, 01:28 AM
I now have 550 rounds through the G19 Gen 4 I purchased a month or so ago. I've only had 2 malfunctions so far, both happened on the very first magazine I put through the gun. My only complaint has been the irritation to my trigger finger after 200 or so rounds (I posted a thread about it) but other than that, nothing but a great shooting handgun. Good luck!

Redlg155
February 25, 2012, 11:04 AM
You might want to consider the M&P models as well.

As for the ability to have an exernal hammer to cock for precise single action shooting, there is no advantage in a defensive scenario. I have yet to see a LEO qualification course that calls for single action, cocked revolver fire.

As for Glock, I really like my Gen 4 G34. I have wanted one for years and finally have one. My G34 also has the updated recoil spring assy.

JShirley
February 25, 2012, 12:02 PM
I find the "compact" 19/23 size to be a near-perfect combination of controllability and concealability. Used to have a G23. Regret selling it (sold most of my firearms when I enlisted). Would probably buy a G19.

chanroc
February 25, 2012, 12:17 PM
I had a Gen3 Glock 19 that I sometimes regret selling. I had the same issue as the others when it comes to the feel of the grip in my hands. It just didn't feel right. I ended up getting an M&P in the 9mm and love it. With that said, my Gen4 G26 is my favorite auto. Never had an issue with it and it's one of my most accurate guns (in my hands). It makes me think I should try out a Gen4 19. For what it's worth, I shoot my M&P with the small grip insert and I don't have the bigger straps on the G26.

BoilerUP
February 25, 2012, 12:21 PM
FWIW, when I got my Gen3 G19 it too felt very..."unnatural" compared to my SigPRO 2340. I felt like I had to hold the pistol muzzle-down in order for it to shoot straight.

After about 300 rounds, I adjusted and today it doesn't feel anything but natural.

...not 1911 natural, mind you, but very very "normal".

hirundo82
February 25, 2012, 01:25 PM
after 100 rounds gotta put a bandaid on trigger finger cause of frame rub,don't happen with the 17

It's the serrated "target" trigger on the smaller Glocks, which are added for import points. I had the same problem by replacing the trigger assembly with one for the G17. $15 part and 10 minutes of my time.

sgtstryker
February 26, 2012, 08:58 PM
There is absolutely no reason not to buy the G19. Great pistol. Heck, it's Perfect....

FMF Doc
February 26, 2012, 09:12 PM
I think I am going to go ahead and get the Gen 4 G19. I am getting it for $50+ under the average going rate, and it comes with 3 mags, so that saves some money there too. I still have a SERPA holster left over from my last one, though none for conealment. I am thinking a Crossbreed Supertuck??? Anyone else have an opinion on that holster for this gun? Will it work well for a 5'7" 165lbs guy?

WOW, just hijacked my own thread!!!

bbuddtec
February 26, 2012, 09:50 PM
Congrats on the self hijack... I love my g23... now for the hijack... I love the galco summer comfort for my fnp40, so I got a similar design, but the suede is out, so it stays put better, for my g23. I'd have to look to see who made it but I got it at CTD. These are IWB and a real sturdy opening, so re-holstering is 0 problem!

Ok, I guess my point is, being the same frame as the 19, the fit and size is very nice :D

The Lone Haranguer
February 26, 2012, 10:03 PM
In contrast to a couple of you, I love my personal G19 (third generation purchased in 1998). It fits my hand just right. The only real challenger to it (that I've had personal trigger time on) has been the S&W M&P.

12131
February 27, 2012, 01:49 AM
The G19 RTF2 is the best model Glock ever made (for me).

LeonCarr
February 27, 2012, 09:21 AM
G19 is good to go. I have also read that if you store the 9mm Gen4 models (17,19,26) with the slide locked back, the springs will break in faster and increase reliability. From what I understand the Gen4 models are oversprung and that is what is causing the issues.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

SOUTHPAW
February 27, 2012, 09:41 AM
G19 is good to go. I have also read that if you store the 9mm Gen4 models (17,19,26) with the slide locked back, the springs will break in faster and increase reliability. From what I understand the Gen4 models are oversprung and that is what is causing the issues.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

Everything I've ever read about breaking in/wearing out a spring, says that compressing does nothing... It's the constant compression and extension that does it. By that logic, locking the slide back only keeps the spring compressed and, like keeping a magazine loaded, it should not cause any wear to the spring... :confused:

LeonCarr
February 27, 2012, 11:29 AM
IME they still take a "set". They will compress to a certain length and stop. This works especially well with autoloading shotguns that are supposed to feed light loads but won't feed the light loads when brand new out of the box, then after storing with the bolt locked back they feed the light loads fine.

I have heard the Gen4 Glock 9mms work fine if you feed them NATO spec or above ammo all the time, which is about 10% more powerful than most US ammunition.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

rustedangel
February 27, 2012, 04:16 PM
I got my gen4 Glock 19 a few months after they came out and it has run 1,200+ rounds with zero failures. I feel like it fits my hands very well and points naturally, a big part of why I chose it, but I cannot speak for your hands.

Speedy1
February 27, 2012, 04:27 PM
Have you looked at the Walther PPQ?

FMF Doc
February 27, 2012, 08:50 PM
Well, I am not worried too much about reliability with a new Gen 4 Glock19. The problems seem to be in early models, and this one was made just last year.

As for the springs, the best way to "break them in" is to shoot them. I don't plan to use this as a carry pistol until fall, so that should give me time to put about 1500 rounds through it before I'll be carrying it.

I plan to carry 124gr +P Gold Dots or Buffalo Bore, so I don't see weak ammo being a problem either.

Speedy--I did look at the PPQ, and I have read nothing but good about it, but I can't find one around me for under $500.

Anyone have experience with Galco's V-Hawk, of Desantis Scorpion? They look promising. I like the double belt loops spread WAY out for stability. A Milt Sparks VM2 would be nice, but I hear the back order is around 2 years...Anything else I should be looking at???

AK103K
February 27, 2012, 09:03 PM
If youre interested in the VMII, check out Top Gun Supply. The usually show them out of stock, but they get them in pretty regular, and they will email you when they do come in. They get a bit of a premium, but its not bad. Ive bought a number of them off them, and dont think Ive waited more than a couple of weeks for one.

SOUTHPAW
February 27, 2012, 09:22 PM
Anyone have experience with Galco's V-Hawk, of Desantis Scorpion? They look promising. I like the double belt loops spread WAY out for stability. A Milt Sparks VM2 would be nice, but I hear the back order is around 2 years...Anything else I should be looking at???

Theis Holsters. There are several owner reviews all over the web, especially on GlockTalk. I have one for 4 of my carry guns and have ordered a total of 8 including holsters for friends and family. Without a doubt the best quality, value, and service. Bonus is that my 26 and 23 use the same holster... Look into them. I wear em 10-12 hours a day.

ChCx2744
February 28, 2012, 04:31 AM
Why not a Glock 19? That's a good question...Why not? They're great :)

Lee D
February 28, 2012, 01:24 PM
PPQ...if more people handled and shot one, Glock, Sig, H&K and S&W will see a decline in civilian sales... guaranteed.
FWIW this is coming from a full on Glock fanatic

theQman23
February 28, 2012, 05:44 PM
Since you mentioned carrying a glock with a galco product, I wuold like to recommend to you the galco miam rigs. Don't buy the $80 one, buy the $160 dollar one. If you put your G19 inside of a fully closed holster up under your shoulder in a rig like that, you will likely never have a printing issue.
In states where notification under carrying is not required, I've sat at DOT stations talking to cops for an hour or more about my truck inspection/paperwork, etc and never had a problem. If I had a hip holster on I could have never done that.
Before you do-gooders and officers tell me, "if you're legal to carry why didn't you just tell the officer, that's the best policy........."
Yeah right. I tried that once and the corrupted "servant" stole my gun, and it cost me 2 grand in court to prove my innocence and get it back. Because of POLICE BEHAVIOR, my policy has been to never tell anything more than what is absolutely legally required in print.
Anyway, to stay on topic, you mentioned a G19 in a galco, and I highly recommend the shoulder version.

FMF Doc
February 28, 2012, 08:47 PM
Qman, I actually have a shoulder holster, though not a galco. I use it for long drives. What I need now for every day, is a good IWB holster for the warmer months.

JR24
February 28, 2012, 08:54 PM
I love the milt sparks summer special 2 for my 1911's, and you can get one for the Glock 19 on brownells.com, at least they had stock last I checked. I was considering trying one since most folks say my Ruger SR9c will fit in a Glock 19 rig.

Other than that I EDC my SR9c (somewhat similar size especially if I leave the extended mag in) in either a crossbreed supertuck or Comptac minotaur, depending on my mood.

jim goose
February 28, 2012, 09:05 PM
g19 owner.

Ditto on the g17 fit. I think if the g19 grip doesnt work, it never will. I might be one of the few to shelve my 19 for a 17 and 26. Can't say its worth selling though because its such a reliable platform and it will always have its place.

FMF Doc
February 28, 2012, 09:09 PM
I don't find the grip length to be a problem. I think it is the shape. I know you can only make a double stacked 9mm so thin, but sigs and m&ps feel better with their ovalish grips. I just can't afford a P229R and don't like the trigger on the M&P

JR24
February 28, 2012, 09:19 PM
Have you considered the SR series from Ruger? They are much slimmer than the glock and under your price point. If you check the specs they don't seem that slim, but in the hand they feel like a single stack.

Whether or not you like safeties is definately a consideration, since they have both mag and manual safeties.

FMF Doc
February 28, 2012, 09:40 PM
I can live with a manual safety, but the mag safety is a show stopper.

SOUTHPAW
February 28, 2012, 09:40 PM
Well, I turned my Glock 23 into a "Glock 19" for the first time today (via LWD 40-9 conversion barrel) and it was niiiiiiiice. :eek: Such a soft shooter even with +P Winchester ammo. I carry the gun in .40 and will be plinking now with both that and 9mm. The mid size grip works for me... But for some reason so do most autos. I have a M&P9 full size and a Glock 20. Both feel fine even though they couldn't be more different. I don't know, I just adjust my grip according to the weapon and feel fine. :confused:

MikeNice
February 29, 2012, 11:12 PM
I have a CZ P-07 and just picked up a Glock 26. I actually like the way the Glock shoots more than the CZ. The DA pull on the CZ is a heavy and long. The Glock trigger is lighter and shorter. The CZ's advantage is that it has more "feel." You can tell exactly what part of the stroke you're in. With the Glock you feel the trigger "safety" take up and then it is a bit mushy until it fires.

I like my CZ and I shoot it well. I do prefer the Glock though. It feels more refined and balanced.

rhodco
March 1, 2012, 12:48 AM
I had a G19 and was happy with it until I shot the new PPQ. Wow! It is the fulfillment of the Glock revolution. Walther took the Glock design and perfected it in the PPQ. Now I have one of my own and sold my Glock. Never looking back again...

Autolycus
March 1, 2012, 01:08 AM
I love my Glock 19. I think it is the ideal CCW gun. I might suggest that you rent one and shoot it. THis way you might possibly remember why you got rid of the gun in the first place. It is a great gun but it is not for everyone. As far as holsters go, the popular one seems to be Raven Concealment. Another great choice is Comptac.

jim goose
March 2, 2012, 09:11 PM
Im wanting to try the fnp-9.

GunByte
April 17, 2012, 01:25 AM
Do not want to rain on your parade but I did the same only to find that the drop in barrels make your gun unreliabile. Mine jammed with a Wolf 9mm barrel and then found out that a lot of others had the same problem. I ended up returning the 9mm barrel as I could not tolerate a gun that jammed every 3 mags. Also traded the 23 in for an M&P 9c. Sort of inbetween a Glock 26 and 19 in size.

Sapper771
April 17, 2012, 11:18 AM
The PPQ is a becoming a strong contender. I really am starting to like them, but they still are not my idea of the perfect carry gun.

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