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Trad Archer
February 25, 2012, 01:02 PM
Anyone ever order from these guys?

I have myself, but it seems anymore, EVERYTHING I want they have on BACKORDER.:cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss: I can't believe it should be that difficult to buy for example cast bullets and brass. I can understand a backorder on some gun parts, but the basics such as brass and bullets, ammo, holsters, ammo boxes. Are they in financial trouble or just poorley managed? I'm going to start ordering from other distributors.

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Bovice
February 25, 2012, 01:04 PM
What are you trying to order?

If it's some specialty caliber, they can't stock much overhead because there isn't demand. If it's a commonly in-demand item, it might've been sucked up faster than they expected. MidwayUSA has been good to me.

BIGGBAY90
February 25, 2012, 01:05 PM
Backorder king

Robert
February 25, 2012, 01:10 PM
Never had an issue with them.

SG1
February 25, 2012, 01:11 PM
I ordered a grip from them with no issue, but I do notice on their website that a ton of stuff that pops up in a particular search seems to be out of stock or on back order.

Robert
February 25, 2012, 01:15 PM
but I do notice on their website that a ton of stuff that pops up in a particular search seems to be out of stock or on back order.
You are correct there and if that is the case for something I need I get it somewhere else. I never "order" a backordered item.

BIGGBAY90
February 25, 2012, 01:16 PM
They do ship with great time

richie
February 25, 2012, 01:22 PM
I've done alot of business with them, with no problems, but I also learned to order whats in stock, if its out after I submit my order than I cancel, I don't want them to ship a half order because then they'll charge another shipping fee.

Trad Archer
February 25, 2012, 01:23 PM
Don't get me wrong guys. When I have ordered from them in the past, service was great. My complaint is that it seems when I want to order say six items, five seem to be on backorder.

Weevil
February 25, 2012, 01:26 PM
Just got an order from them last week.

Very prompt shipping and a real pleasure to do business with. I've been dealing with them for many years and never had a problem.

As for the backorder on reloading components this is typical industry wide not just Midway.

It all seems to be part of the panic that started with Obama getting elected. Ammo shortages, and reloading supplies being hard to find have been the worst I've ever seen them. Even the Y2K scare wasn't this bad.

It's nice that people are buying up guns and the number of gunowners has increased by leaps and bounds, but the downside is the ammo and ammo component shortages.

It's not Midway's fault their suppliers can't keep up with demand. I keep hoping supply will eventually catch up to demand but it hasn't yet.

If Obama gets a second term things will only get worse.

Robert
February 25, 2012, 01:26 PM
What are you after? Chances are that someone else might have it. Unless it is not a common caliber or item or just in general short supply.

Jorg Nysgerrig
February 25, 2012, 01:28 PM
My complaint is that it seems when I want to order say six items, five seem to be on backorder.

I think the answer lies in why you are trying to order those 5 items from Midway instead of somewhere else to begin with.

Jim NE
February 25, 2012, 01:36 PM
Ordered from Midway for the first time yesterday (grips). Also wanted to order some S&W k frame stock pins, but they were out of stock. To me, it's hard to understand why a gunsmith or gunsmith supply house would EVER be out of stock of such an inexpensive, common and commonly removed item such as this, but they often are. It's like a music store not having guitar strings or tuners.

And it's not just Midway, but the local gunsmiths, as well. One local guy wanted to fabricate one from scratch for $30!

I ordered it from Numrich.

JRH6856
February 25, 2012, 01:54 PM
I think the answer lies in why you are trying to order those 5 items from Midway instead of somewhere else to begin with.

And the answer is usually to pay only one shipping fee. If you have to order six things from six different places, you pay six minimum (at least) shipping fees. But it can be a real problem trying to find someone who has everything you need when you need it. Whenever I order anything, I look to see what else they have in stock that I know I'm going to need at some point in the near future and go ahead an order it when it is available.

whalerman
February 25, 2012, 01:58 PM
They have always provided me with great service. Couldn't be better.

Jorg Nysgerrig
February 25, 2012, 01:59 PM
And the answer is usually to pay only one shipping fee.
I'm afraid I was going a bit deeper than that. Why isn't he ordering the items from someone else who has all 6 in stock then to get one shipping fee?

I was going for the idea that if you have limited supply, the shops that have all the items people are looking for are going to be the ones picked over first.

jimmyraythomason
February 25, 2012, 02:04 PM
I'm a very satisfied customer on Midway and have been for many years. The few items that have been backordered have all been delivered in under 2 weeks. Now,I don't reload so I dont buy reloading components,that may be a different situation all together.

Weevil
February 25, 2012, 02:05 PM
If someone knows of a well stocked gun, ammo, or reloading supply company that sells for reasonable prices, please let us know about them.

Everywhere I check is either out of stock, backordered, or has an "available" date sometime in the future.

The only well stocked ones I've noticed are the places that are gouging their customers with highway robbery prices.

JRH6856
February 25, 2012, 02:06 PM
A lot of businesses operate as internet storefronts, meaning that most of their business is done online and they have limited physical space. They only maintain a small inventory of the products they sell the most of and have room for and order the rest on Just In Time basis or as orders come in. Because maintaining a large inventory costs money, many retailers that have physical storefronts are reducing warehouse space by using the same model.

When their suppliers are out of stock, so are they. Often, multiple retailers are ordering from the same wholesale distributor and you will find the same product backordered at multiple locations.

JRH6856
February 25, 2012, 02:07 PM
Why isn't he ordering the items from someone else who has all 6 in stock then to get one shipping fee?

Jorg, if you read the rest of my post, I answered that as well.

mnhntr
February 25, 2012, 02:19 PM
I use Midway USA for most of my shooting stuff, with primers and powder being what I buy locally to avoid the hazmat fees.

shuvelrider
February 25, 2012, 02:25 PM
I find what I need at Grafs, at half the shipping cost. For me that is usually bullet and brass, I cant justify Midways shipping on a small item.

303tom
February 25, 2012, 03:58 PM
I don`t ordered from them that often, I usually just drive down there & get what I need, if they don`t have it I just tell them (to get it & call me) then I just drive down & get it, its only an hour drive..............If it takes that long, depends on how fast I drive.

mgmorden
February 25, 2012, 04:09 PM
They have pretty good prices, so I order a lot. Yes, things are often on backorder, but I just catch those things the next time around.

The one thing I wish they could do which would help a lot for us patient folks is set it up so that you can place an order and have it wait to ship until all backordered items are in. I'm patient, and can usually wait on anything, but being a cheapskate I want to avoid getting pinged multiple times for shipping :).

dirtengineer
February 25, 2012, 04:11 PM
I think things are on backorder because companies that manufacture guns, parts, and accessories are experiencing a high demand. Midway is a great company. Don't you think they would have adequate stock if it were available?

B!ngo
February 25, 2012, 04:37 PM
Unless it is a gun, or ammo, I first turn to Amazon. We pay for Amazon Prime once a year and buy almost everything on-line there with no shipping. That includes many shooting accessories. Either directly from Amazon or via one of their affiliates who support the Prime service.
I've looked at Midway and others, and bought once or twice, but they seem to be out of many things that they advertise and their shipping costs are brutal.

mrcooper
February 25, 2012, 04:43 PM
Gaffs and midsouth,
i stoped useing midway about 3 years ago, was a customer for over 20 years, they were great when they never charged shipping.

Chief 101
February 25, 2012, 06:33 PM
I didn't read all the replies but these days seems like there a large group of individuals, that, all want the same thing...maybe something related to the movies...btwdik

egg250
February 25, 2012, 06:43 PM
I've got no issues with Midway and have ordered from them on several occasions. If something that I want is out of stock, I either look elsewhere or exercise a little patience.

Krogen
February 25, 2012, 06:46 PM
Go to Graf's. Shipping is not just "half" of Midway's as another poster said, but $4.95 flat fee. Although Midway has a broader selection, Graf's is the first place I go. There's no "shipping shock" at checkout as with other suppliers.

beatledog7
February 25, 2012, 07:00 PM
A retailer, on-line or brick-and-mortar, can keep everything in stock only if their suppliers can ship, who in turn can ship only if manufacturers can produce the goods.

It all comes down to costing decisions. A retailer who stocks every item he can sell will inevitably have too much capital tied up in inventory, and he'll have to make that up somewhere, most likely in higher prices.

akodo
February 25, 2012, 07:49 PM
online retailers can often save big by having almost no inventory and buying small amounts from the distributor as needed.

In some cases they wait until they have close to some minimum amount to order.

I am not sure if midway is doing that, but many small online retailers DO.

DoubleTapDrew
February 25, 2012, 07:55 PM
I like them other than the recent rediculous shipping charge increases. I know the price for shipping has increased, but not as much as Midways rates have. I'll start looking at other retailers.
If something I want isn't in stock I'll put in the "remind me" function when it is in stock. If you backorder it there seems to be at least an $8.99 shipping fee tacked on which blows for a small item.

Geneseo1911
February 25, 2012, 08:52 PM
I've done alot of business with them, with no problems, but I also learned to order whats in stock, if its out after I submit my order than I cancel, I don't want them to ship a half order because then they'll charge another shipping fee.


The one thing I wish they could do which would help a lot for us patient folks is set it up so that you can place an order and have it wait to ship until all backordered items are in. I'm patient, and can usually wait on anything, but being a cheapskate I want to avoid getting pinged multiple times for shipping .

^This

I'm a big fan of Midway. I buy a lot from them because they usually have the best price, and my C&R discount knocks some more of of that.

I understand the frustration though. I set up a wishlist that has about 50 items on it now. When I need to order something (or have some "fun" money burning a hole in my pocket), I look through the list. It seems like only about 60% of it is in stock at any given time. Now, part of that is that the stuff they always have in stock, I've already ordered, but some things seems to NEVER be in stock.

For example, I have an email alert setup for when 22/45 MkIII magazines come in. I've only seen them in stock once in the past 6 months, and they were sold out again in a day. Does that mean Ruger just isn't sending any? I don't know, but there are several others just like that.

I suspect this all boils down to the magic of "Just In Time" inventory management. It usually works, and allows Midway a lower overhead, but some things slip through the cracks.

Ben86
February 25, 2012, 09:11 PM
Midway is great. There customer service is top notch and they ship quick. They are often out of stock on things because it's where so many people go to shop.

If they don't have it I buy it elsewhere, but I look there first. The owner of the company also does a lot for the RKBA.

Pyro
February 25, 2012, 09:29 PM
I usually don't rely on everything MidwayUSA has to offer.
Check around other sites and you might find a better deal.
What I love about MidwayUSA is their customer service and fast shipping.

Dr.Rob
February 25, 2012, 09:57 PM
I only had a few items on back order. One was on so long that I called and changed it and there was no hassle.

Zach S
February 25, 2012, 10:35 PM
It's like a music store not having guitar strings or tuners.
Specific strings or tuners. When shopping for guitar gear, I have Zzounds open in one tab, and Guitar Center open in the other, and I order from whichever is less expensive or has all of the items.

I do the same thing with gun accessories. Midway in one tab, Brownells in the other.

Usually the price works out to be pretty close, but I don't mind paying a little more to get everything I need from one place. For example, my next guitar gear order will be from GC because Zzounds doesn't carry D'Addario EXP45s (strings), and my next gun stuff order will be from Brownells because Midway doesn't carry a fixed sight to fit the LPA cut.

I prefer Brownells anyway. Take sights for example. Midway lists 121 front sights for a 1911, and the only filter is for the manufacturer. Brownells has a lot more filter options, one of which is the height, which matters to me more than who made the sight.

I think things are on backorder because companies that manufacture guns, parts, and accessories are experiencing a high demand.
Yeah, it seems to happen every four years or so...

Hardtarget
February 25, 2012, 10:48 PM
I filled out an order. Called it in. Very helpful lady on the phone. Then I said I would send my order with a check. She said wait...did a refigure and said there was additional charge,($10.00). That made the shipping more. So I asked how come? Did that make my products heavier? And how come it was so bad to send a check? Wal-mart handles thousands of checks every day. They just run them through the electronic transfer and hand it back to you.No problem.

So I said just don't do anything with that order, I'll think about it. I've never ordered a thing. I'm very sure they haven't missed me one bit.

Mark

Certaindeaf
February 25, 2012, 11:29 PM
I think it'd be easier to say what you have than what you don't have. But "have" is perhaps a matter of semantics in this day of just-in-time "inventory". anyway

Steve in PA
February 25, 2012, 11:29 PM
I have no issues with Midway. If you are ordering something and it is backordered, its probably because other people are ordering the same thing! Ever go to your local gunstore and they are out of your favorite powder or primer?? Same thing. Midway doesn't keep an unlimited supply of everything they have. Even if it is backordered, its usually back in stock within a week.

3rdChance
February 25, 2012, 11:58 PM
For example, I have an email alert setup for when 22/45 MkIII magazines come in. I've only seen them in stock once in the past 6 months, and they were sold out again in a day. Does that mean Ruger just isn't sending any? I don't know, but there are several others just like that.

I ordered some of these from Midway on 2/8, they shipped on 2/17 and I got them in the mail today. I think that for real popular items they are just about always on back-order, as soon as they get some in they ship them out. Based on this I would not hesitate to order something from Midway that is on back-order, as long as I didn't need it right away.

stevelyn
February 26, 2012, 03:44 AM
Regular customer here. Never had a problem. Their shipping has gone up a bit, but with fuel prices the way they are that's to be expected.

FuzzyBunny
February 26, 2012, 04:44 AM
I always order in stock items and they ship right away.
Buy cheap and stack deep!!
If Obama even looks like he might get gets a second term things will only get worse or imposible to find.

Remember all the new gun owners that were spawned before the election. They are still buying at a pretty frantic pace if the NCIS volume reports are correct.

I have been buying dies and ither items I find on sale as I am going to get a press soon. I'm a reloading newbie but I know I need a swaging tool for my crimped ammo.

Not sure what size primers I need for 5.56 and 7.62 nato mil brass. Any suggestions?

Skyshot
February 26, 2012, 07:36 AM
I have no beef with midway. It seems a lot of reloading components and firearms parts especially AR-15 stuff are backorderd. I don't think its midways fault though. I was talking to a local gun retailer and he told me he was having a hard time getting components also. It's just a high demand at this time in the industry.

JO JO BANG
February 26, 2012, 07:54 AM
They do have some items on backorder but i wonder how long would that take. I guess i'll try and see

jsimmons
February 26, 2012, 08:06 AM
If I'm almost positive they won't charge you additional shipping fees when you order something that's not currently in stock. I know for a fact that Brownell's doesn't because I just when through the backorder experience with them a couple of weeks ago.

I've ordered from Midway before, and their customer service/shipping is outstanding.

hardluk1
February 26, 2012, 08:23 AM
Just a simple supply and demand issue. A company there size simple runs out of stock on "hot " items faster than replacements can come in. Sometimes it also cheaper to buy items direct ,no matter who the middle man is too. If midway is not who you wish to deal with go some where else. Ever time i get around to putting an order together a check with 3 different venders and the supplier if practical and order from one that has what I want an cheaper.

Elkins45
February 26, 2012, 08:43 AM
If I'm almost positive they won't charge you additional shipping fees when you order something that's not currently in stock. I know for a fact that Brownell's doesn't because I just when through the backorder experience with them a couple of weeks ago.


I've been buying stuff from Midway since back when they first placed a small ad in one of the shooting mags offering to sell new Midway-stamped 357 and 44 mag brass. I still have most of the original 500 rounds I bought from them. Back then the shipping was included in the price. It wasn't until the late 90's they began charging separately for shipping. I usually check them first because they have treated me so well over the years.

Having said that, my experience with backorders is 180 degrees from yours. They charge me an addition full shipping charge for items that aren't shipped at the same time. I've learned never to order anything from them that's backordered unless it's one big ticket item that can't be shipped twice.

Double Vision
February 26, 2012, 09:02 AM
I'm a regular Midway buyer and never had a problem with them.
If they're out of stock on something that I need right away I go to another source.

The Bushmaster
February 26, 2012, 09:05 AM
O K...Everyone stop buying from Midway USA. That way I'll be able to get what I want without back orders.

Ya Think??

I have never had a problem with Midway. Yes they do run out of some [popular] products, but I would blame the manufacturer before I blamed a very popular seller.

jhop73
February 26, 2012, 09:29 AM
i always have an active wishlist on the midway page. i check it about once a week and when most of the stuff is available i move it to the shopping cart. the current month and the next months sales flyers overlap for the last couple of days each month which is when i try to place my order.

berettaprofessor
February 26, 2012, 10:33 AM
You do know that you can block backordered items from a search, right?

I love Midway. My only complaint is that I can't order firearms from them and receive them delivered to my door (well, not including uppers!).

TIMC
February 26, 2012, 10:36 AM
My biggest problem is they almost always have what I want in stock!

They also make it way too easy for me to get it!

TheCracker
February 26, 2012, 11:11 AM
i really like ordering from them and they have awesome customer service if there is a problem. However, they do tend to have a lot of out of stock items. Im not sure if it is poor management or just that they sell so much suppliers cant keep up.

sting75ray
February 26, 2012, 11:23 AM
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mrcooper
February 26, 2012, 12:17 PM
Before I stopped using them when i called in a order and they didn't have everything i would tell them i did not want a partial order and to cancel the complete order.

ConstitutionCowboy
February 26, 2012, 12:33 PM
I order reloading supplies from MidwayUSA, Natchez, and Cheaper Than Dirt quite often. I generally find that when one supplier is out of stock, more than not the others are out of stock as well. MidwayUSA has always treated me fairly, and so has the other two.

I order stuff from Brownell's as well, and they have been right with me, too.

All that said, I buy as much locally as I can, but it seems like I have better luck ordering from the "Big Four". As for guns, I get them locally. My favorite gun store/shooting range can order anything I desire and it doesn't take long and I'm never gouged.

Woody

30.06
February 26, 2012, 12:36 PM
Never had a problem with Midway . Good outfit to order from .

bhk
February 26, 2012, 04:20 PM
One of the things I have learned over my decades doing this gun business is that, in the world of manufacturing, gun stuff is small business. Items (guns, parts, etc.) are generally manufactured in small 'runs' and are unavailable between runs to everyone, even Midway. The timings of these manufacturing runs is made by the estimation of sufficient need and often made far in advance (months). They guess wrong sometimes. Other priorities/contracts may over ride a scheduled run too. A couple examples I can easily remember.

1. I need some 32-20 brass. Midway didn't have any and no one else did. I finally called Starline brass and they told me they had a run scheduled in about a month and a half. Sure enough, they sent me some directly and all of a sudden Midway and everyone had them. Hard to fault the retailers.

2. My friend wanted a left hand Remington 870. No one had any. He backordered the gun in January with the knowledge the next run was to be made in August (a few years ago). Hard to fault the retailers.

3. I want/need some Speer Gold Dot 100 gain .327 bullets. Everyone has them backordered. I called Speer months ago for the date of a production run. They gave me one. That date has long passed and no one has them yet. The production run may or may not have occurred. If it did, the supply they produced may have gone into the production needs of their own .327 ammo. Who knows. Hard to fault the retailers.

I have experienced zillions of similar examples. These manufactures are relatively small and make only a few of their catalogued items at any one time. A bullet or brass maker may catalogue scores and scores of different bullets/brass, but make only a couple dozen types in a given month. Some types may only be made every couple of years. There are few production lines in constant production for any one item. Some might be for items like .22 and .223 ammo, items where the national consumtion is huge.

In theory, a retailer like Midway should be able to play this game and estimate how much of a given item to order to last to the next production run by estimating demand. They probably do a fair job at this, but demand is fluid due to a variety of factors such as those generated by politics or even whims generated by magazine articles/tv shows on shooting. The retailers are also at the mercy of the inner workings/needs/priorities of the producers. These needs may change monthly and sometimes on a whim.

BTW, I am very happy with Midway. They are among the best in the business. Sometimes the best places to find these hard to find items is small shops that experience little demand. This is where the internet can really be your friend. The bigger places (Midway, Grafs, etc.) may be long out and waiting for a production run, while some some small internet retailer may have some the the back shelf be sheer luck. So may some mom and pop gun shop.

Samclrk
February 26, 2012, 05:20 PM
I buy most of my stuff from Midway.I`ve never had a single problem...But it seems like here lately they do have more items on back order than usual.

lightman
February 26, 2012, 08:05 PM
I have also been a happy Midway customer for a number of years!I agree that supply still has not caught up with demand,most places have this same problem. Lightman

loganb
February 26, 2012, 11:07 PM
I order from Midway and Brownells, generally I start at Midway since I don't have to pay sales tax to them. Either way if I order it from either place by mid-late morning I have it next day with standard shipping generally as I'm about 3 hours from either place so it's hard to beat the service. I do see a larger number of things OOS at Midway than Brownells, but it normally doesn't impact what I'm looking for much, or it drives me to the other vendor and vice versa.

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