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henrifirstman
February 25, 2012, 11:53 PM
Hello all and good evening from AZ.
I have this very strong itch for a 1911 in 10mm.
I've never fired one to be honest but I have a feeling owning one will put a huge grin on my face.
I don't make much so I'm going to save up for this one.
I'd use it to put holes in stuff at the range and as a possible open carry.

If it's possible I'd like to spend less than $600 but I might save up for an extra month or two if you guys don't think I can get anything nice for that amount.
School me thr. I'd like your opinions, experiences and reccomendations.
Ps. I don't like EAA's (just don't like the way they look).

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DesertFox
February 26, 2012, 02:27 AM
Your choices are rather limited - Colt, Kimber, Dan Wesson, STI. Probably looking at around $1K. Colt Delta Elite Gold Cup and Auto Ordnance 10mm are the 2 1911 models I've got. Gold Cups are the bomb.

henrifirstman
February 26, 2012, 02:54 AM
Thanks man. I've been doing some looking around. I think I might need to get a second job if I start shooting 10mm :uhoh:

baylorattorney
February 26, 2012, 03:00 AM
I love it, but had to take up reloading as a result. Bought the new model colt delta elite from a fellow member. I had an older model years back, and always preferred it to any other gun or round.


Judge a man not by the answers he gives, but by the questions he asks. - Voltaire

bryanZ06
February 26, 2012, 09:06 AM
Get one! You'll love it. Here's my Delta shooting some 175gr Winchester Silver Tip. It's far from some of the craziest loads out there, but it's about as good as the big ammo makers produce these days.


http://i43.tinypic.com/2pq50kz.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/25k525z.jpg

hogrdr
February 26, 2012, 09:12 AM
i bought a used kimber eclipse 2 for 850.00 last fall, just got a cbob for 1200.00, both off local trade boards. oh, and a lee turret press to load for it. good ammo like double tap is 1.00 a pop.

swinokur
February 26, 2012, 11:47 AM
The Dan Wesson Razorback is sweet if you can swing the bucks.

I have several Colts and they get the job done too.

drbeans
February 26, 2012, 11:58 AM
$600 10MM = Glock

swinokur
February 26, 2012, 12:00 PM
Glock is a 1911?

Fremmer
February 26, 2012, 12:04 PM
The colt delta is a really nice gun, but you'll have to save for it.

drbeans
February 26, 2012, 01:06 PM
Glock is a 1911?

Obviously not. Point being a 1911 in 10MM UNDER $600 does not exist. At least I have not found one. You might get lucky though.

Demitrios
February 26, 2012, 01:09 PM
I know Para Ordnance unveiled their long hunter 6" double stack 1911 in 10mm at SHOT this year.

m1911.10mm
February 26, 2012, 01:28 PM
http://i39.tinypic.com/25k525z.jpg

That's a nice looking Delta Elite, right there.

Who did the work on that handgun?

I'd like to get a lot of work done on mine.

Let me ask you a question that's none of my business. For all that you had done to that one, did you stick with the original recoil spring system, or did you pick something else?

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maxsnafu
February 26, 2012, 01:54 PM
Thanks man. I've been doing some looking around. I think I might need to get a second job if I start shooting 10mm :uhoh:
...not if you get your ammo from this guy. (Full power stuff too.):
http://www.underwoodammo.com/

hogrdr
February 26, 2012, 02:27 PM
i made some posts on this before with no real answers, the cbob i bought made in 07 doesn't have a ramped barrel, they started putting ramped barrels on them in 08. the kimber has a ramped barrel. im pretty sure the delta isn't ramped. why ramped or un-ramped even on the same gun. i don't buy the "well its just stronger" because the other 3/4's of the barrel isn't re-inforced. ive e-mailed dan-cz twice with no answer and been on hold and left messages with no answer. i'm beginning to wonder if anyone really has a definitive answer?

Bush Pilot
February 26, 2012, 02:39 PM
Glock is a 1911?
No, and the Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbor either.

mljdeckard
February 26, 2012, 02:39 PM
It is a ways down on the list, but eventually I want to get a Fusion kit for a 10mm long-slide.

Beagle-zebub
February 26, 2012, 03:16 PM
Instead of having a chamber that the whole case is down inside of (minus the rim), lots of autopistol chambers will have a little ramp carved into the chamber, so that part of the cartridge is no longer completely boxed in by the chamber--that is an "unramped" barrel, which they also say has an "unsupported chamber." In a typical 1911, this works as an extension to the feed-ramp that is cut into the, what, frame? But that ramp is not attached to the chamber, which moves around when the gun unlocks--since the barrel (which the chamber is a part of) doesn't have the real ramp attached to it, it's "unramped." Now a ramped 1911 barrel has the entire ramp attached to the chamber, and no ramp cut into the frame.

When you touch a round off, the expanding gasses inside the cartridge cause the case's wall to expand outward until it is stopped by the wall of the chamber. However, if you have one of these chambers with a ramp cut into it, the part of the case that isn't boxed in puffs out. The area that puffs out gets thinner and weaker, until maybe it pops, like a balloon. The hotter the load, the more the brass is gonna puff out.

Glocks have (or had, until a few years ago) unsupported chambers too, and when people shoot hot 10mm ammo in them, the fired brass has a "smiley face" where the brass has started to puff out through the ramp that cuts into the chamber.

Here's a picture of a ramped vs. unramped 1911 barrel: http://38super.net/Extra%20Figures/feed-ramps.jpg

Here are two Glock chambers. You can see how the one on the left doesn't completely surround the part of the cartridge where the powder is, and you can DEFINITELY see where the one on the right let the case explode down into that ramp. http://www.wingman26.com/images/shooting/glock-kb4.jpg

m1911.10mm
February 26, 2012, 06:20 PM
This a Delta Elite manufactured a few months ago.

I sure wouldn't say it's ramped. Kind of a reverse crowning effect on the bottom 2/3rds.

This barrel in the rear-most position.

For me, personally, I won't shoot anything other than maybe the Remington UMC 180s in it. But that's just me.

This one never fired. Just took it apart for the first time. I guess I expected some elaborate recoil system. Heck, that's just a spring inside of a spring.

http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k322/fortkn0x/aa.jpg


http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k322/fortkn0x/aaa.jpg


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bryanZ06
February 26, 2012, 07:45 PM
That's a nice looking Delta Elite, right there.

Who did the work on that handgun?

I'd like to get a lot of work done on mine.

Let me ask you a question that's none of my business. For all that you had done to that one, did you stick with the original recoil spring system, or did you pick something else?

.
Thanks.

The work was done by Bruce Gray.

http://grayguns.com/

He does great work, but as I understand he has quite a backlog right now.

Mine has a ton of things changed on it, but I stuck with the stock recoil setup.

Olympus
February 26, 2012, 10:53 PM
As someone else has already said, you're not going to find a 10mm 1911 for $600 or less. It just ain't happening. You MIGHT find one for under $800 if you're lucky and stumble on to one early. A reasonably priced used 10mm 1911 gets snatched up very quickly. And 10mm 1911 can be a little tricky and have issues, so I'd be very leery of one priced at $600 or less anyway. Budget 10mm 1911, there just isn't any such thing.

gunnysmith
February 27, 2012, 12:01 AM
With the 10 mm I prefer a fully suported chamber.
Although not a 1911, the EAA Witness would meet the price spec and the fully supported chamber
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?rlz=1T4GGHP_enUS440US440&q=EAA+Witness&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=1939734736680729753&sa=X&ei=7g1LT-WPE9GDsgKKzuzqCA&ved=0CDMQ8wIwAQ#

Valkman
February 27, 2012, 12:50 AM
My Kimber Stainless Target II was $899 amd I'm sure you'll pay that for any new Kimber 10mm. Mine is flawless, shoots great, but I will say I've only shot reloads and don't load them hot.

Thompsoncustom
February 27, 2012, 06:45 AM
Ya it's to bad no one makes a 1911 in 10mm for 600 bucks or I'm sure i'd own one to.

Options:
1911-$900/$1200
EAA Witness-$450/$550
Glock-$500/$600

In the 600 dollar price range I would probably pick up a Witness or maybe a Witness Elite there based on the CZ design which I really like the only thing that worries me is EAA themselves.

hogrdr
February 27, 2012, 08:27 AM
i KNOW what ramped or not IS, that was not my question, the delta shown is NOT ramped, just like my 07 cbob. i just want to know why dan/cz went from un ramped to ramped mid stream, even the ramped barrels have some cut out under the cartridge too.

swinokur
February 27, 2012, 08:51 AM
Don't forget to consider a 3rd generation Smith and Wesson 10xx series auto. Not a 1911 but the best 10mm auto ever built IMHO. I got each of mine on Gunbroker for less than 700 dollars each and they shoot anything, and I mean anything. I regularly shoot Swampfox 180g 1400 FPS ammo out of them no issues.

They are tanks.

shown 1066,1006,1026, 1076

gunnysmith
February 27, 2012, 11:28 AM
I suggest fully supported chambers I’ll post these with no further opinion

EEA fully supported 38 super
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/gunnysmith/Misc%20gun%20stuff/standard.jpg

1911 barrels
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/gunnysmith/Misc%20gun%20stuff/big_supp-not_supp.jpg

40 S&W case

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/gunnysmith/Misc%20gun%20stuff/40SW1.jpg

40 S&W sectioned

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/gunnysmith/Misc%20gun%20stuff/40SW.jpg

40 S&W case with bulge

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/gunnysmith/Misc%20gun%20stuff/glock-brass-3.jpg

Sectioned resized view of bulged case
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/gunnysmith/Misc%20gun%20stuff/10mmsmilied.jpg

sargents1
February 27, 2012, 01:00 PM
Nice Photos Gunny.

The chamber support (in this case, lack thereof) on those throated barrels is scary.

Makes me glad I bought a Glock instead of a Colt.

gunnysmith
February 27, 2012, 01:33 PM
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/gunnysmith/Misc%20gun%20stuff/40SWWEBTHINNING.jpg

hogrdr
February 27, 2012, 03:28 PM
Nice Photos Gunny.

The chamber support (in this case, lack thereof) on those throated barrels is scary.

Makes me glad I bought a Glock instead of a Colt.
never owned one but i don't *think* the glock is supported

gunnysmith
February 27, 2012, 03:45 PM
Glocks are not a supported chamber, available after market barrels are made to correct the issue.
I haven't followed the latest generation of Glocks.
They may have addressed this issue directly.
Remember, the Glock was designed and submitted for a military contract, reloading and liabilities were not in consideration.
That is the reason Glock would not warrantee any firearm that was using reloaded ammo.

armysniper
February 27, 2012, 03:58 PM
http://smith-wessonforum.com/images/gradients/gradient_tcat.gif

gunnysmith
February 27, 2012, 04:10 PM
armysniper
Pretty 1 1/4 inch blue square, what are you trying to say????????? LOL

hogrdr
February 27, 2012, 04:11 PM
gunny guy i just cut a starline 10mm in half and measured the un-supported area on my cbob. it had a thirty seconths of an inch unsupported in the throated area,bottom half. safe to shoot with heavy loads? double tap ammo.

gunnysmith
February 27, 2012, 04:27 PM
In my opinion when the chamber supports to the front edge of the extractor grove of the cartridge forward is full supported.
With the standard colt 45 ACP 1911, ther wasn't the "hot rodding" of loads.
Accuracy was the goal.
The new shooting sports are accuracy plus power factor rated, knocking down certain weights of steel targets, thus the "hot rodding".
I cast no opinions or aspersions for or against any particular firearm or cartridge, I only wish to keep the sport safe.
I am only advising and pointing to possible weaknesses before accidents occur.

hogrdr
February 27, 2012, 05:01 PM
In my opinion when the chamber supports to the front edge of the extractor grove of the cartridge forward is full supported.
With the standard colt 45 ACP 1911, ther wasn't the "hot rodding" of loads.
Accuracy was the goal.
The new shooting sports are accuracy plus power factor rated, knocking down certain weights of steel targets, thus the "hot rodding".
I cast no opinions or aspersions for or against any particular firearm or cartridge, I only wish to keep the sport safe.
I am only advising and pointing to possible weaknesses before accidents occur.
what i meant was the part of the brass between the solid head and the back of the barrel was a 32nd best i could measure.maby just a hair less but no more. probably didn't make any sense. if the head was a tad thicker it would have no un supported area of the thin wall,, i tried to take pics but i couldn't get any clear enough to post with my camera that close up; does anybody make brass with a thicker head?

hogrdr
February 27, 2012, 05:04 PM
don't mean to hi=jack this thread, but there is a lot of confusion on this. might help somebody decide on a purchase. if i had known earlier, the guy would still have his cbob and i would still have my 1200.00

gunnysmith
February 27, 2012, 05:26 PM
This case is fully supported;

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/gunnysmith/Misc%20gun%20stuff/standard.jpg

These are not: although the one on the right is close it does not enclose to the extractor grove forward edge.


http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/gunnysmith/Misc%20gun%20stuff/big_supp-not_supp.jpg

hogrdr
February 28, 2012, 07:41 AM
in the last pic of the 38 super on the right, my un-ramped dan has that much support, shows about that much case on bottom.

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