Using a Hasty Sling While Standing in Competition?


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Kynoch
February 26, 2012, 03:48 AM
I know that using a sling in the standing position is not allowed in high-powered rifle competition but would it be of advantage if it were allowed?

I shoot in competition where it's more "action rifle" -- steel plates at far shorter distances. We don't move or change weapons on the clock. The rifle movement is largely horizontal and not up and down. There is no rule whatsoever about using a sling so I thought I might rig-up a hasty sling.

Has anyone else ever tried anything along these lines?

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chrome_austex
February 28, 2012, 01:42 PM
A hasty sling would be an advantage in highpower (in my opinion). The Appleseed guys teach sling use for offhand.

Personally, I use a 2-point sling as a stabilization aid for IDPA 'carbine' matches and some 3-gun stages, but a hasty sling should do about the same thing.

I say go for it and report your results back here.

Kynoch
February 28, 2012, 05:11 PM
Thanks for the feedback. Do you actually loop your 2-point around your bicep for offhand shooting? How do you get in and out of it fast enough for 3-gun? Do they use the formal/traditional use of the sling in Appleseed or do they use a hasty arrangement?

Sometimes it feels kinda odd experimenting during a match but I think I'll do just that. Thanks again.

Usagi
February 28, 2012, 11:59 PM
Use of a hasty sling can never match the results of proper bone support from offhand.

chrome_austex
February 29, 2012, 05:06 PM
No I brace with a two point differently than with a hasty sling.

The 2point attaches to my gun at the receiver endplate and about mid-handguard on the top left side. The gun is basically trapped between my shoulder, my arms (pushing out) and the sling (pulling in from my left armpit). Its a rapid fire pose for shooting quickly and isn't suitable for slow fire (where the more traditional bone support and sling use is better).

The 2point sling is sort of like stabilization by drowning out muscle movements with a strong brace, while a traditional offhand bone support position is more for allowing you to relax those muscles. I wouldn't score very well at highpower with a 2point braced setup, but you don't see many 3gun competitors trying to slow-fire with bone support. Different tools for different purposes.

Usagi: Bone support and a hasty sling are not mutually exclusive... far from it.

Kynoch
March 2, 2012, 12:23 AM
No I brace with a two point differently than with a hasty sling.

The 2point attaches to my gun at the receiver endplate and about mid-handguard on the top left side. The gun is basically trapped between my shoulder, my arms (pushing out) and the sling (pulling in from my left armpit). Its a rapid fire pose for shooting quickly and isn't suitable for slow fire (where the more traditional bone support and sling use is better).

The 2point sling is sort of like stabilization by drowning out muscle movements with a strong brace, while a traditional offhand bone support position is more for allowing you to relax those muscles. I wouldn't score very well at highpower with a 2point braced setup, but you don't see many 3gun competitors trying to slow-fire with bone support. Different tools for different purposes.

Usagi: Bone support and a hasty sling are not mutually exclusive... far from it.
Precisely.

MythBuster
March 2, 2012, 03:09 PM
"Use of a hasty sling can never match the results of proper bone support from offhand."

I second that motion.

Kynoch
March 2, 2012, 05:27 PM
"Use of a hasty sling can never match the results of proper bone support from offhand."

I second that motion.

Use of a hasty sling can never match the results of not shooting while highly intoxicated.

Same logic.

I asked a simple question and someone couldn't resist adding another variable as if using a hasty sling and proper bone support cannot co-exist which is garbage.

Why not just answer the question or remain silent rather than derailing my question?

Usagi
March 2, 2012, 09:33 PM
Use of a hasty sling can never match the results of not shooting while highly intoxicated.

Same logic.

I asked a simple question and someone couldn't resist adding another variable as if using a hasty sling and proper bone support cannot co-exist which is garbage.

Why not just answer the question or remain silent rather than derailing my question?

It was not derailing the topic - it was answering the question. The quote I gave came from an accomplished high power shooter on another forum.* I'd have linked it, but I feel cross linking to other forums is generally poor form.

And although your statement about proper bone support and use of a hasty sling not being mutually exclusive is true from a certain angle, it is not all-inclusive.

Proper use of a hasty sling typically has the shooter placing the support arm as far forward as possible. While this is more than sufficient to steady the rifle enough to get a "hit" out to 100 yards or so, it is not as stable as what high level competitors use.

Current High Master shooters in High Power NEVER use that form (support arm forward). Their elbows are tucked close. The support arm is directly under the rifle, and the support elbow is wedged against the abdomen - preferably the hip bone - for additional bone support.

I cannot say why HP does not allow sling use in standing, but I can say that based on this simple fact, it really isn't needed. It would not lend an advantage at all.

* If anybody wants a link to the quote I am referencing, PM me.

chrome_austex
March 5, 2012, 04:53 PM
Spend a few dozen or few hundred hours with a sling and an open mind, and let me know what you think then. Just cause something isn't allowed in the rulebook, or some high master shooter snubed his nose at it, doesn't mean its useless.

Current high master shooters... shoot and practice within the established rule set, which doesn't allow slings. Its a very weak weak position to be basing any arguments on the utility of offhand slings. Highpower shooting is in it's own bubble as far as positions and equipment go.

Besides, the OP was referencing a more "action rifle" situation anyway. Slings are 'useless' in 'highpower' for offhand by definition of the rules of the sport.

Enlightened shooters outside of that box should experiment and make up their own minds for their own unique needs, while familiarizing themselves with all of the reasonable options.

Zak Smith
March 6, 2012, 12:55 PM
In 3-Gun- no, it's not really done.

In field/long-range matches, I use an AI sling that I can "sling up" in in about 10 seconds, so if that meant I can make a hit, it's worth it.

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