Just another day in NYC


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bengewarmer
February 29, 2012, 11:17 AM
Well, I sent in a "purchase authorization request" about two weeks ago, and have been trying to call the license division to make sure it was received. I have yet to get in touch with anyone useful. Half the time I'll just get no answer (keeps ringing) and the other half I'll end up reaching someone who will direct me to someone else with literally no clue what I'm talking about. One guy actually started asking me about my clients(!?). I actually felt more clueless than they actually are. If I felt confident in their ability to get things done, I wouldn't keep trying to call to make sure they got it, but being that this is roughly a six week process as it is, I don't want to waste valuable weeks I could be shooting. I'm not quite sure what the point of this post is, maybe it's just a rant. Or a cry for help. Does anyone know something that I don't? Is there a trick to reaching someone who knows something? I've been through most of the numbers listed on the license division website. No dice.

Something needs to change in this city. Or I need to leave. I prefer the latter.

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Manson
February 29, 2012, 12:35 PM
Sorry to hear about your gun buying difficulties. As one of our members has said"vote with your feet". If at all possible try to move to a more gun friendly state.

Standing Wolf
February 29, 2012, 01:58 PM
Something needs to change in this city. Or I need to leave. I prefer the latter.

I left California in 2002. I missed the beaches and mild weather several years. I no longer live in fear of criminals, who are, in any event, much more numerous there than here in Colorado. My car insurance premiums fell by half. Taxes are much lower. People are friendlier. After eleven winters in Minnesnowta and my youth in Iowa, Michigan, and Wisconsin, I'll never like winter again, but winters are less awful here. I recently renewed my permit to carry concealed handguns, and received with it a letter from my sheriff to thank me. A deputy I spoke with said my county has issued over 16,000 permits since 1995, and not a single one has been revoked for a firearms-related offense.

Life is much better in the United States.

bengewarmer
February 29, 2012, 02:08 PM
That sounds like such an awesome decision. CO is one of the states I was considering. PA is another. I want to be close enough to friends and family, but far enough to live with freedom, which is why PA might be a better option for me, but at this point I'm so frustrated I will consider any other free state. Thanks for the input!

Ryanxia
February 29, 2012, 02:23 PM
It's pretty good in Maine and New Hampshire as well. If I want a handgun (or two or three) I fill out my 1 page form, and in 10 minutes I'm out the door with them. And if I want a dozen or so rifles with them I can throw those in too :D

Oh and it cost me $100 and a weekend of my time for my CCW.

rem44m
February 29, 2012, 02:57 PM
Utah kicks butt with gun laws as well! Our STATE gun is the 1911 :D

bangaway
February 29, 2012, 02:58 PM
Check your state of choice for their laws. Pa could be the same kettle of fish as NY. Have fun and bangaway.

crracer_712
February 29, 2012, 03:32 PM
I'll take that as a rant. And, if I were in your shoes, I'd feel like ranting as well.

bengewarmer
February 29, 2012, 04:06 PM
Just thought I'd let you guys know that I finally got in touch with someone in charge of purchase orders. They said they didn't feel like looking through the envelopes. I can't get packed quickly enough!

Johannes_Paulsen
February 29, 2012, 04:14 PM
Pennsylvania's laws are, frankly, not bad at all. The only real wrinkle in my judgment is that you must have a license to carry in Philadelphia, but (a) this includes open carry; (b) this law is set at the commonwealth level, not the local level (the legislature has preempted municipal laws.)

Pilot
February 29, 2012, 04:18 PM
Pennsylvania is a "shall issue" state. It is very easy to obtain a CCW permit here. With a CCW permit obtained anywhere in the state, you can carrie concealed, even in Philadelphia. However if you want to Open Carry in Philadelphia you need a concealed carry permit. Go figure. :rolleyes:

Gun purchases just require a NICS check with NO waiting period, licenses, permits, acts of Congress, etc. No "assault weapons bans", and Class III is legal.

hnk45acp
February 29, 2012, 04:21 PM
PAs in NYC were running about 3 months, I hear it's a little better now about 6 weeks. Best thing to do is drop it off yourself at 1PP

nyrifleman
February 29, 2012, 04:21 PM
Check your state of choice for their laws. Pa could be the same kettle of fish as NY. Have fun and bangaway.

PA is not the same kettle of fish as NY, especially NYC where the OP is from. Much better gun laws.

bengewarmer: you might also consider moving upstate. It's much more gun-friendly up here, and you'll still be relatively close to friends and family. Of course, no "assault weapons".

bengewarmer
February 29, 2012, 05:54 PM
nyrifleman: I am also considering that, as that would definitely be an answer to most of my problems. I would still like a CCW which I understand is also difficult to obtain even upstate NY, is this true?

azgard
February 29, 2012, 07:31 PM
Depend's on which county you are in, but in general the further you are away from NYC the easier it is, except for Albany county. Up here it's the responsibility of a judge to issue your permit whereas NYC your at the mercy of the police, is it any wonder you are having a hard time?

PR-NJ
February 29, 2012, 07:44 PM
I live in PA and commute to Manhattan almost every day. It's really not that bad. Of course I don't venture into the City with firearms.

azgard
February 29, 2012, 07:47 PM
I would hope not! NYC Doesn't even recognize upstate permit's. NYC can for all intents and purposes be considered it's own state for most thing's.

PR-NJ
February 29, 2012, 07:50 PM
I live in PA and commute to Manhattan almost every day. It's really not that bad. Of course I don't venture into the City with firearms.

heeler
February 29, 2012, 08:00 PM
As a guy who has grown up and lived in Texas all his near 60 years this sort of thing always perplexes me and frankly,disturbs me.
I walk around each and everyday with my concealed handgun.
I drive all over the state and to adjoining states without issues.
True,a guy could move.
But leaving friends and family behind may not be so easy for some.
It certainly would not be for me.
However,in many ways,that kind of neo fascist control over me in my daily walks of life,considering what I know it to be here,would probably compel me to get out of that place as soon as it was possible.

Hocka Louis
February 29, 2012, 08:25 PM
You just wait for that Purchase Authorization like a good boy. Or make waves and see what happens. It could be worse...

Once upon a time there were separate permits there for a "Premises" permit (which allowed you to keep a loaded gun and two mandatory, proved, trips to the range at certain logged days and times per year) and a "target" permit. "Personal protection" was "not a valid use of a firearm" and if it was one of the reasons on your application you'd have to start all over again.

Think that's funny? If you wanted a loaded gun AND to target shoot you had to buy both multi-hundred dollar/year permits. To go hunting you had to get a "Hunting Rider" attached to your Target permit which allowed you to be afield in upstate NY with a pistol, otherwise you were breaking the law as you cannot "carry."

U got it easy today fella!

Walther P99
February 29, 2012, 08:30 PM
I lived in upstate NY (Syracuse) for about 20 years, then moved to NW Indiana, then finally settled in Texas. NY sucked for a lot of things like cost of living in general. Texas has the best laws, although Indiana is really good, too. As someone who strongly dislikes cold weather, Texas is really good.

I'd definitely recommend researching other cities and then packing ASAP.

loadedround
February 29, 2012, 10:02 PM
I thank God every morning that I live in a pro gun state especially now that the ''Castle Doctrine" act has been passed. I live in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

OTR
March 1, 2012, 01:47 AM
If they continue to give you difficulty you should politely ask these questions:

-Why do the taxpayers of NYC pay for the armed security detail for Mayor Bloomberg?

-Why is he allowed to protect himself and you as a resident are not allowed?

-Why does he get special treatment over the taxpayers, the people that pay him?

-Is is he a public servant for the residents of NYC or is he king of NYC?

PATH
March 1, 2012, 02:22 AM
Trouble exercising my 2nd Amendment Rights is one of the many reasons I left NYC. Living there is just not worth the hassle.

Rob G
March 1, 2012, 03:50 AM
I would second (or is it more like fifth or sixth :D) the notion of moving to PA. Lots of people who work in NYC commute in from cities on the PA/NJ border and it's really not that bad. Plus the taxes are lower and housing more affordable.

Pa could be the same kettle of fish as NY.

I think there's a tendency to lump PA in with places like NY and NJ because of the people in Philly. Realistically most of PA is pretty much like my current home of Texas in terms of values. The only bad PA gun law I'm aware of is that FTF sales have to go through an FFL for a NICS check. Otherwise the laws are good.

I will say that I miss their CHL process. It takes two weeks or less, costs about $40, and only involves a background check. It's much nicer than the 3 month long process costing $250 and involving an all day long training course that we have to do here in TX.

olafhardtB
March 1, 2012, 04:10 AM
I see a lot of comments here that are of no help in your current situation. I have found that bureaucrats love telephones, voice mail etc which they can ignore. The last thing they want to see in their office is you. Go down there, take a lunch and maybe a baby.

leadcounsel
March 1, 2012, 04:22 AM
You don't know what you're missing by living under oppression. Change the laws if you can and recognize when you cannot. Then MOVE! There are like 40-45 better states to reside in.

Old Guy
March 1, 2012, 04:23 AM
From Canada to Florida, a Citizen since April of 2010.

You have your beaches, 1'5 hours away, CCL, gun on belt every day. People are nice. I have a brother in Law in NYC. He and his Wife visit us!

If you want to work, there is work here. At 76, not doing much of that.

You have relatives in NYC? They will come!

MilsurpShooter
March 1, 2012, 04:08 PM
Get out of NYC, don't stop in Westchester, start looking in Dutchess county, Sullivan or Ulster. Full stop before Albany county or pass directly through. I live in Westchester and it's "almost" as bad as NYC, not quite as bad but almost. Dutchess isn't too bad, handgun laws aren't as restrictive as Westchester's but still better then NYC, and about an hour and a half commute time, better bet by train though if you have to commute.

Hocka Louis
March 1, 2012, 08:21 PM
Olaf;
You'd have a hard time getting past the security booth and all the way into the building to get to the room where the people who make the decisons are blocked by mumbling women who make Rosie Grier look svelt, pretty, and gentle. And the working folk with the guns and shields are not actually making decisons either and further run interference for the brass.

As for asking all those questions? Almost nothing could get you removed, sent to Belevue Hospital for evaluation, and your license revoked if not your right to keep and bear arms permanently -- they won't tolerate someone "acting out" like that.

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