S&W Model 13: Perfect Defense Gun?


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Confederate
February 29, 2012, 10:46 PM
I haven't seen many of these lately. I had a brand new one years ago in Utah and foolishly sold it. I can still see it in my mind's eye lying in its box with the brown anti-moisture wrapping. Damn nice gun. What was I thinking?

In my opinion it's the ideal home defense gun in all of Smith's line-up. It was the one gun I could always recommend to people wanting a good...did I say "good"? I meant "perfect" gun for a dresser drawer.

If anyone has any photos of one, I'd like to them. As much as I like my Security-Six Rugers, I miss the 13 I let get away. It's why I tell people today not to sell or trade their handguns -- that they'll regret it. It had a perfect balance. The only thing bad about it were the grips, but for .38 ammo they were okay.

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Rorke's Drift
February 29, 2012, 11:10 PM
One of my favorites. Like you mentioned, I don't see these much anymore. The grips work well with a T-Grip adapter, though I sometimes put Spegel boot grips on mine. I shoot .38s more than .357, and enjoy it more!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/roarksdrift/DSC04328.jpg

sidheshooter
February 29, 2012, 11:21 PM
Perfect defense gun? Maybe so!

I'd love to have a clean, 3" round butt 13. Until one crops up, I'll have to scrape by with my 3" round butt 65...

;)

roaddog28
February 29, 2012, 11:23 PM
Confederate here is my 13-2 4 inch barrel. Along with my Police Service Six 4 inch, these two are my home defense revolvers.
Regards,
Howard
model 13
http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu283/HPitt74985/SWM13a.jpg
Ruger Service Six
http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu283/HPitt74985/RugerServiceSix.jpg

Certaindeaf
February 29, 2012, 11:38 PM
Loved my brand new model 13 3" even though the barrel came unscrewed.. no pin.
Armorer fixed that, bobbed the hammer, removed single action capacity, slicked it up. Had small Pachmayr's on it.. loved that gun.

pendennis
February 29, 2012, 11:52 PM
I own its next generation cousin, the model 65. It's my everyday carry gun. I keep it loaded with Remingtion 158gr LSWCHP +P. Not the lightest of combinations, but it is comforting. It now wears Ahrends Retro Combat stocks.
http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu331/pendennis1947/SmithWessonModel65-5LFT.jpg

Owen Sparks
March 1, 2012, 12:18 AM
Isn't this the same as the model 19 only without adjustable sights?

Certaindeaf
March 1, 2012, 01:32 AM
^
Pretty much save no ejector rod housing.

MrBorland
March 1, 2012, 01:41 AM
I've said what others already have - a 3" k-frame .357 is just about the perfect all-arounder. The only thing better than a 13/65 might be the Lady Smith, with the shrouded ejector.

I love my 65. If I were limited to one gun, it'd get the nod. And it's smooooooth. :D

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp239/becke016/GunsTargets/CoinArmExtendedTriggerPulII.jpg

easyrider6042004@yahoo.ca
March 1, 2012, 02:00 AM
Yup, a 13 is one of the best but I went for a pair of of its stainless sisters, 65s instead, for my daughter and her husband.

sixgunner455
March 1, 2012, 03:29 AM
Purrfect. :D

Just makes me happy holding it. Lurv mine. The issue grips are pretty, but the Hogue Bantams work better for me. Smooth, narrow, not grooved trigger, great balance, lurvley bluing.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c334/sixgunner455/pistols/SWM13.jpg

CajunBass
March 1, 2012, 06:55 AM
I bought a 13-2 with a 4" barrel a few weeks ago. Althought I haven't shot it, I can't say I care much for it, after handling it at home. The 4" heavy barrel makes it too muzzle heavy to suit me. With a 3" barrel, or if the barrel was more tapered like the barrel on a Model 19, or 15, it would be better. Nice looking gun though.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/CajunBass/handguns/100_0380.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/CajunBass/handguns/100_0379.jpg

I do like the 65-5 Ladysmith though. A Model 13 in this configuration, I'm sure I'd like better.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/CajunBass/handguns/100_0312.jpg

Brian Williams
March 1, 2012, 07:32 AM
My S&W 13-4 3" barrel with my S&W 65 round butt with a 4" model 64 pencil barrel.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=40708&d=1149250353

bigtubby
March 1, 2012, 09:09 AM
Here is my 13 It now wear's a set of Bianchi lightning grips that shroud the hammer. The 13 and 65 LS are two that will never be sold.

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww302/bigtubby/Model13004.jpg

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww302/bigtubby/57andladysmith007.jpg

Unistat
March 1, 2012, 10:03 AM
I have a Model 13-3 square butt that is my nightstand gun. I love that hunk of iron. It had Hogue grips when I bought it and I have been scouring gun shows ever since looking for some factory walnut grips.

I've named her Black Betty. I'll try to post some pics when I get home.

bannockburn
March 1, 2012, 10:31 AM
I would love to have another Model 13; though I would prefer the 3" round butt this time around versus the 4" square butt model I had years ago.

BlackSky
March 1, 2012, 10:36 AM
13's and 65's are awesome guns. This 65 is my truck gun.

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4976/74119299.jpg

Old Fuff
March 1, 2012, 11:19 AM
I agree that a K-frame Smith & Wesson with a 3 to 4 inch barrel is an excellent choice for a home defensive weapon, but we part company when it comes to using .357 Magnum ammunition because of over-penetration and recoil issues. Therefore I prefer the matching model 10 in .38 Special, and would also recommend that the hammer be bobbed and changed to double-action-only because thumb-cocking might be counter productive in a high stress situation.

StrawHat
March 1, 2012, 12:55 PM
When I carried a 357, I had a M13. Liked it a bit but someone else wanted it more than I did. Eventually decided that if I was carrying a 38 caliber, the Special was all I needed.

Elm Creek Smith
March 1, 2012, 01:04 PM
Yes.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/elm_creek_smith/SandWModel13/SWM13_001.jpg

ECS

Jim NE
March 1, 2012, 05:35 PM
I should consult my psychic. I think there may be a model 13 in my future. (just kidding. I don't have a psychic.) I like them better than 19's as far as looks.

Elm Creek Smith, what's the story on those great grips? I've never seen those before. They look cool. Do they still make them? - Jim

sidheshooter
March 1, 2012, 07:22 PM
I bought a 13-2 with a 4" barrel a few weeks ago. Althought I haven't shot it, I can't say I care much for it, after handling it at home. The 4" heavy barrel makes it too muzzle heavy to suit me....


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/CajunBass/handguns/100_0379.jpg



If you decide down the road that you just can't abide with that 4" tube, I might be convinced to take that beauty off your hands for you.

:)

sgtstryker
March 1, 2012, 09:03 PM
That's why the 13 is so hard to find. Everyone likes 'em. Congrats to all those who posted, great looking revolvers.

camsdaddy
March 1, 2012, 09:12 PM
I know I sure like mine. I often wish it were a 3" but the darn thing shoots like a laser. It started life as a 4" square butt and I made it to fit me. It currently is a round but with Hogue Bantams and a durabake coating with a Wilson spring kit. I am currently waiting on new leather and I look forward to carrying it more in the appendix posistion.

george29
March 1, 2012, 10:41 PM
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l15/avisamuel/SW13-3682x51.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l15/avisamuel/SW13-3682x52.jpg

They now wear Hogues. Best damn shooter I ever owned, like someone else said, "Like a laser."

Elm Creek Smith
March 1, 2012, 11:53 PM
Elm Creek Smith, what's the story on those great grips? I've never seen those before. They look cool. Do they still make them?

They are Bianchi Lightning grips made by Pachmayr. They are brown neoprene with steel inserts. Bianchi offered them for the round butt K-frames, round butt J-frames, and M1911A1s. The problem was that the grips hit the market just about the same time the semi-automatic fad hit police departments. I've seen a few K-frame grips and only one J-frame. I've never seen the M1911A1 grips. They were planned for the Colt Detective Special and the Python, but nope. I found these at a gun show. I've also seen them go for a lot of money on E-Bay. However, they're out there.

ECS

icanthitabarn
March 2, 2012, 10:03 PM
Here is mine. I hate the hard plastic grip though

http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l542/g5uis23ft5h/022.jpg

Gordon
March 2, 2012, 11:50 PM
I had my wonderful issued Model 19 replaced by a Model 13 . I learned to love the 3" M 13 but it was not as sexy as the 2.5" 19 ! I had to use the M13 once , no fatality but nasty injury by three .38+p+ 110 grain WW "Treasury Load" to the stupid perp. Course my hits were low as the gun was spitting as it was coming out as I had a .380 pointed at me. I kept carrying an M13 latter in a Sherrif's reserve as the 1911 was a No No at the time. I tried those shrouded Bianchi grips but found the angle odd for me, it bulked up the gun's print and the rubber stuck to my clothes. I sold that M 13 to someone for a Browning .45 BDA (Sig 220) as I remember and carried that in the reserves until finally a Glock 17. Today a snub old nickle Model 19 is my Bar B Que rig. Sure they say it won't full length extract a .357 case but man is it sexy!

niner4tango
March 3, 2012, 12:26 AM
It would be my last to go.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d21/niner4tango/13-3.jpg

Unistat
March 3, 2012, 09:37 AM
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9a__v1Ng1m8/T1IsFjDFOdI/AAAAAAAAAEI/DH9i79hBarA/s800/Black%252520Betty.jpg

Black Betty. Bam-a-lam!

SwampWolf
March 15, 2012, 04:29 PM
Isn't this the same as the model 19 only without adjustable sights?

^
Pretty much save no ejector rod housing.

Additionally, the models 13/65 have heavier (thicker) barrels than do the model 19s.

MicsGun
March 15, 2012, 11:12 PM
Hey guys! interesting thread you got here. I'm a proud owner of a Model 19. I got it a couple of weeks back from my pop. I think he's been keeping it for about 15 years or so I'm just not sure but it's still beautiful - very beautiful like my wife actually.lol. But I'm thinking of having it refinished to get it back in shape. I found this article http://www.iultrasonic.com/refurbish-your-smith-wesson-model-19-with-an-ultrasonic-cleaners.html and its really making me think. Maybe having my gun cleaned with an ultra cleaner can bring it back (?) Comments? Suggestions? Has any of tried doing this? Any information would really be helpful. Thanks in advance guys.

PabloJ
March 16, 2012, 01:02 AM
I haven't seen many of these lately. I had a brand new one years ago in Utah and foolishly sold it. I can still see it in my mind's eye lying in its box with the brown anti-moisture wrapping. Damn nice gun. What was I thinking?

In my opinion it's the ideal home defense gun in all of Smith's line-up. It was the one gun I could always recommend to people wanting a good...did I say "good"? I meant "perfect" gun for a dresser drawer.

If anyone has any photos of one, I'd like to them. As much as I like my Security-Six Rugers, I miss the 13 I let get away. It's why I tell people today not to sell or trade their handguns -- that they'll regret it. It had a perfect balance. The only thing bad about it were the grips, but for .38 ammo they were okay.

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The new Model R8 is far superior HD gun. It has three significant advantages: non-reflective finish, integral light/laser module rail and eight shot capacity. If I ever buy another revolver it will be S&W M&P R8.

JFrame
March 16, 2012, 08:10 AM
Indeed...When I think in terms of the "one and only handgun," the 3" Model 65 makes a very short list (shown with a Pro-60)...

http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx12/Dennva/3inchpr1024x768.jpg


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balin
March 16, 2012, 06:39 PM
i have both the R8 and a model 13. the R8 would be tough to conceal well, it is a great gun. but there is some thing about the model 13 that is.....................

medic_guns
March 16, 2012, 09:19 PM
13-2 with recessed cylinders. MINT condition, I carry it quite a bit. I am ordering brass, bullets, and powder so I can roll my own.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff86/richonsa/m13002.jpg

oldfool
March 16, 2012, 09:29 PM
I ain't fool enough to disagree with anybody's choices in this thread
just keep those pictures coming !
(wow)

me, need all the help I can get with sight radius, so mine be 6" 357 k-frames for "all-around" pert-near perfect 38+p revolver

lots of other great choices in this thread for "carry-plus", none better than
but none better than those S&W 13s, despite no lack of competition

jad0110
March 17, 2012, 09:26 AM
Here's my 3" -3. I was carrying it IWB the other day when I came upon this thread. Though I find 4" gun as easy to carry as 2" ones, the round butt frame and walnut service stocks on the 13 (with Tyler T-Grip) are unbeatable for concealment.

Paid $450 for this one a few years ago. Only one I've seen in person in the last 7 years.


http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q139/jad0110/Smith%20and%20Wesson%20Model%2013%20357%20Magnum/DSC07827.jpg

galena
March 17, 2012, 04:51 PM
Here's mine, accompanied by my M-65 and my M-66 3". I wouldn't want to part with any of the three; however, the M-13 would be the last one to go. The M-66 3" was a "grail gun" and it is a great gun but the M-13 has everything I need and nothing I don't. I started out as a revolver guy and then carried a 1911 for mucho years, now I've come back to the revolvers. Six for sure! Keep shootin'

CraigC
March 17, 2012, 05:07 PM
It's hard to beat a good K-frame but I have to say that the model 13 doesn't appeal to me. I prefer adjustable sights on a .357 and for my short barrelled guns to be .38's. Or big bores.

Rexster
March 17, 2012, 05:12 PM
I think of the Model 13 as a better carry gun than dresser-drawer gun, but yes, it is one of those perfect equations in the firearms world. I have never owned a 13, but the similar-niche weapon that I let get away was a Model 581. These are not often available, either, and the one I have seen at a dealer, since I sold mine, arrived at a bad time, financially, for me to buy.

Fortunately, I have plenty of stainless Rugers to cover my needs, but when my finances are more secure, starting in 2013 or so, I will be again looking out for nice blued S&W sixguns.

edw794
March 21, 2012, 07:22 AM
model 65-3" barrel with new ahrends boot grips:


http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g242/edw794/mod652.jpg

skoro
March 21, 2012, 08:36 AM
I think so. I keep my M13 stoked with FBI loads for HD.

Driftwood Johnson
March 21, 2012, 10:26 AM
Howdy

Here is mine. I picked it up a couple of years ago. No krinkly brown paper but I did get the box and the instruction manual.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/Driftwood_Johnson/smith%20and%20wesson/model13-202.jpg

The differences between the Model 13 and the Model 19 are the 13 has fixed sights, a bull barrel, and no extractor rod shroud. The 19 does not really have a bull barrel, and has a barrel rib.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/Driftwood_Johnson/smith%20and%20wesson/Model_19-2.jpg

sixgunner455
March 21, 2012, 05:44 PM
In other words, the model 13 is a model 10 in .357, and the model 19 is a model 15 in .357.

The 15 and 19 make up the weight lost to the lighter barrel with the barrel rib and ejector rod shroud.

Confederate
March 21, 2012, 07:50 PM
I agree that a K-frame Smith & Wesson with a 3 to 4 inch barrel is an excellent choice for a home defensive weapon, but we part company when it comes to using .357 Magnum ammunition because of over-penetration and recoil issues. Therefore I prefer the matching model 10 in .38 Special, and would also recommend that the hammer be bobbed and changed to double-action-only because thumb-cocking might be counter productive in a high stress situation.
The 13 is just a Model 10 that takes .357.

What makes the 13 perfect is that it takes the .38 fodder when it's in the home and takes the .357 when you're camping, hiking are on the road. The magnum ammo punches holes in vehicles, has excellent stopping power when you pull over at rest stops or are stalked by bears on the trail. Speaking of the latter, I recall hearing of a honeymooning couple that was stalked by a bear while hiking in the wilderness. The idiot husband left his wife, promising to return with help. His wife was subsequently attacked and partially eaten while her husband escaped without a scratch!

If she'd had a Model 13 stoked with hot magnum ammo, she could have lived to divorce her worthless husband or at least rethink her relationship! I wouldn't have trusted a Model 10.

So it's not that we're talking about .357 ammo in the home; we're talking about the ability to match the ammo to the threat. One could even load a 125gr JHP as the third round up. If the first two shots don't get an intruder's attention, the third shot definitely will!

Remember the 1986 FBI shootout in Miami? The bad guys were shot up with 9mm and .38 rounds, yet lived to kill two agents and wound five. All of the .357s used by the agents were loaded with +P ammo. Had the agents had 125gr JHP .357 ammo, the outcome very likely would have had a different outcome. (There were only two .357s used: a M19 and a M686. When I first read about the firefight, I saw that two .357s being used and found it incredible that they failed to stop the bad guys. It was only later that I found out they were using +P FBI loads, loads that had a fairly decent reputation.)

Three-fifty-sevens are only .357s when magnum rounds are used. The references to .357s in the Miami shootout were misleading at best. Anyway, when out on the trail or on the road, a .357 works much better than a .38 (regardless of the load).

Ruger and S&W both phased out their medium framed .357s for bigger and heavier versions. The Model 13 was a no-frills gun with no ejector lug and beautiful but nonfunctional wood grips. The barrel was perfectly balanced and the bluing was gorgeous. Plus the price was extremely reasonable. It was meant to be the perfect home defense weapon and I think S&W hit it right on the button.

Stainz
March 22, 2012, 10:48 AM
I bought a P.R. airport security 3" 65 re-import from a mail order surplus dealer some years back. No turn line - clean inside & out, save some scratches and gouges (It looked like it had been used as a wheel chock!) - great deal then for $200 shipped. I cleaned it up and regripped it with Hogue goncalo alves rounded fg grips - sanded and refinished to my wife's hand, replacing a CZ-75 9mm. She hated it! I sold it - big mistake. Never sell a S&W you like! She had found my 2" 10-11, bought new 9/03 as my first .38. So, talk her into getting rid of that CZ - and I'm out two S&W's!

http://s171.photobucket.com/albums/u307/Stainz_2007/036-1.jpg

Almost two years ago, I bought the first new re-issue 'Blood Work' revolver that arrived locally - a 2 5/8" PC627 UDR - an N-frame 8-banger. It isn't that much bigger than the 2" 10 (see above), which isn't a pocket gun anyway - I have a 642 for that role. No, I don't have a 3" 13... but I have a great HD/car gun - usually stoked with my favorite protective round - +P 158gr LHPSWC. A new UDR runs ~$900 now - but, a well-used 3" 13/65 will run $600 nowadays, too. Just different strokes! Another plus - the PC627 is moonclip-ready.

http://s171.photobucket.com/albums/u307/Stainz_2007/033-2.jpg

Stainz

451 Detonics
March 23, 2012, 11:05 AM
Nope you have it right JFrame...also the agents did have body armor...in the trunks of their cars...they were too hot to were them that day!

My Model 12 lives on my nightstand loaded with CorBon DPX, it sits next a a remote that turns on a bright light in every room of the house except the bedroom.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z271/reloader1959/hakim/mod12c.jpg

sidheshooter
March 23, 2012, 03:14 PM
What's the finish on that 12? Also, did you have problems fitting those boot grips? My 12 is slightly narrower in the grip frame.

That would be a great combo, btw: a 12 and a 13. One lightweight for carry, one for everything else, including big booming 158s.

Hanshi
March 23, 2012, 07:40 PM
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt74/hanshi_photo/PICT0615.jpg

I love the M65 with the three inch barrel. In my mind the M13 looks better, though.

Brian Williams
March 24, 2012, 10:29 AM
FBI shoot out can be talked about elsewhere unless talking about a S&W 13.
here is mine with a 65 and Ruger SP101
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=45571&d=1159536994
Would be second choice over a 13
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=140285&d=1302548747

451 Detonics
March 24, 2012, 10:38 AM
"What's the finish on that 12? Also, did you have problems fitting those boot grips? My 12 is slightly narrower in the grip frame."

The finish is flat earth cerro-coat...this revolver was a basket case when I found it. The grips did require some time on the belt sander but the I got lucky and found a set of Pachmyers made for the older skinny frame gun.

I do mean basket case...was a suicide gun that wasn't cleaned under the grips...

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z271/reloader1959/hakim/mod12.jpg

Haywood
March 25, 2012, 11:44 AM
If I had a 3" 65 or 13 it would be my carry gun. I have a very nice 4" 65 and would trade in a hart beat.

PabloJ
March 25, 2012, 10:16 PM
The same revolver is also available on second-hand market for .38Spl and 9x19 cartridges.
I have seen blued L-framed version of that in .357 caliber. The common denominator is fixed rear sight and "bull" barrel. These are neat "little" revolvers no doubt about it.

Ratshooter
March 25, 2012, 10:57 PM
A model 65 has been my truck gun for several years now. With 140-158gr bullets its dead nuts on to the fixed sights. For a self defense revolver its about as good as it gets.

And for those who had said the small service grips (is that what they are called?) are of no use I would have agreed with you in the past. But someone here posted that those grips are for hip shooting. And you know what? They were correct. They do work when drawing and firing low below your line of sight. But when you extend your arm and want to shoot single action I always have to shift the gun in my hand. So I guess for modern shooting technique the bigger grips are better. But just for fun if you have the smaller grips give them a session shooting from the hip.

Elm Creek Smith
March 25, 2012, 11:23 PM
The new Model R8 is far superior HD gun. It has three significant advantages: non-reflective finish, integral light/laser module rail and eight shot capacity. If I ever buy another revolver it will be S&W M&P R8.

The Model 13 isn't a "superior HD gun." It is a PERFECT DEFENSE GUN.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/elm_creek_smith/Gun%20shots/DSC02079-1-1.jpg
Don't think you're going to conceal the R8 easily.

ECS

PabloJ
March 25, 2012, 11:41 PM
The Model 13 isn't a "superior HD gun." It is a PERFECT DEFENSE GUN.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/elm_creek_smith/Gun%20shots/DSC02079-1-1.jpg
Don't think you're going to conceal the R8 easily.

ECS
Ok. I admit the 9x19 with 4" bull barrel was almost weird enough for me to buy. It would make excellent defensive weapon which by definition most revolvers of suitable caliber and size are. We all know in offensive handgun realm if indeed there is such a thing guns like hc Glock rule supreme.:evil:

Elm Creek Smith
March 26, 2012, 02:12 AM
Pablo,

I turned in my issued Glock 22 in order to draw a S&W 686. The 686 is more accurate than the Glock, and I can fire it faster than a Glock will cycle. The .357 Magnum loads are also more powerful than the .40 S&Ws. I have had police officers who also carry Glock 22s enviously ask how I managed to get the 686 issued to me. I just smile and tell them that old men don't mess around with combat tupperware.

ECS

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