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theicemanmpls
March 1, 2012, 11:04 PM
Watching Godfather II again.
During the annual San Gennaro festival, the character Vito Corleone wacks the neighborhood Black Hand extortionist Massimo Fanucci with a .38.

Vito has a towel wrapped around the barrel and its supposed to silence the weapon.

Afterward, Vito breaks up the weapon, and disposes of it on the roof. It must of been a Taurus. It fell apart rather quickly.

I can understand the flames, but I am not sure the report was a pfffft.

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Alec
March 1, 2012, 11:17 PM
I can tell you this, if you want to try it out, that would be one heck of an expensive towel @~$205 :)

FIVETWOSEVEN
March 1, 2012, 11:21 PM
I believe it would have to be attached to the firearm instead of just draping it over it. I'm not saying it's a good idea but it would be hard to prove your intent. If I'm wrong them someone please correct me.

MrDig
March 1, 2012, 11:35 PM
Actually, an old trick was to put a snubby under a rolled up news paper and get close enough to pull the trigger. Also a shoe box stuffed with tissues. The issue is suppression of the sound which is caused by the rapid expansion of the Gas and the slug breaking the sound barrier. Suppress these effects safely and you have effectively suppressed the weapon.
I know of a few suppression techniques from reading about them not from actual practice. no one ever said a suppressor had to be a metal tube on the end of the barrel it is not a hard and fast rule.

Elm Creek Smith
March 1, 2012, 11:40 PM
The gun used to kill Fanucci was a .455 Webley Mk VI. The towel was wrapped around the gun to disguise the fact that Vito Corleone was carrying a gun. I don't recall a "phhtttt" sound.

ECS

Countryboy7
March 1, 2012, 11:40 PM
I remember seeing a movie where they used pillows to suppress the pistol they were using. Wonder if it really works? Anyone know?

David E
March 2, 2012, 12:20 AM
No, it won't work. Neither will a shoebox full of tissues. At least, not outside of Hollywood and dime novels.

Jim K
March 2, 2012, 12:38 AM
A pillow will in fact work, but you would have to be pressing the pillow against the victim. With a revolver it would also have to come up far enough to cover the b-c gap.

The question of suppressors always depends on how quiet you have to be; during Mardi Gras (at least in New Orleans), anything smaller than a 16 inch naval rifle probably wouldn't be noticed. At other times, it is often enough to keep a gunshot from sounding like a gunshot.

Jim

Countryboy7
March 2, 2012, 12:42 AM
I'm sure there are many ways to suppress firearms. Even tho some might not be things like pillows. Like how the snipers would wait until bombers went over to shoot. Kinda like how a gun doesn't seem as loud when you shoot while the wind is blowing hard

Jim K
March 2, 2012, 01:02 AM
Well, it would take an unusual sniper to hold a pillow to the victim's body while pressing the gun into it. Not exactly long range work.

Jim

Countryboy7
March 2, 2012, 01:10 AM
How did you get that I was talking about sniping with pillows from that?

Dnaltrop
March 2, 2012, 01:23 AM
(picturing Two separate snipers, one with a 100 meter barrel, one with a massive slingshot and a pile of pillows)

(chortle)

MachIVshooter
March 2, 2012, 01:24 AM
There are a lot of ways to muffle a gunshot without a real supressor, but any of them are detrimental to accuracy.

David E
March 2, 2012, 01:37 AM
A pillow will in fact work, but you would have to be pressing the pillow against the victim.

If you're holding the muzzle up tight against the victim sandwiching the pillow between, then it's not the pillow silencing the shot, it's the victim's body

FIVETWOSEVEN
March 2, 2012, 02:17 AM
Does a potato on the muzzle actually work?

Lost Sheep
March 2, 2012, 02:37 AM
Does a potato on the muzzle actually work?
I was told by a guy who actually used sweet potatoes to suppress the sound of a .410 shotgun that it does silence well enough. Followup shots with the potato suffered drastic reductions in silencer effectiveness, though, as there was little but the skin of the potato left, and that tended to be hard to find.

He also used baby bottle nipples to suppress .22 rimfire (not sure if it was short, long or long rifle), but this was back in the '30s when he did these things.

If I remember the "Godfather" movie correctly, the towel was wrapped around the whole gun (and his hand, too). At the time, supersonic bullets out of a handgun were vanishingly rare and as theicemanmpls points out, there was a rather loud festival going on at the time. I have no doubt that the report of that revolver would be muffled quite a bit and unlikely to be noticed.

Alec, as far as the towel being expensive, I have some cheap terrycloth that I might try out my next trip to the range.

Lost Sheep

ChCx2744
March 2, 2012, 03:22 AM
I was always under the impression that the only thing that would remotely come close to effectively concealing a gunshot without a suppressor is using the gun while some other loud noise is in the background. (Concert, party, fireworks, construction sounds, helicopters/planes above, etc.)

jameslovesjammie
March 2, 2012, 04:51 AM
I thought the only suppressible revolver was the Nagant because the barrel to cylinder gap would negate anything you did on the barrel end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jCMHEpBxegM#!

Samari Jack
March 2, 2012, 04:57 AM
:DI've noticed in a few gun parts supplier mags advertisements for "fake" suppressors. They screw on the barrel just like the real ones,looks like the type of metal used on the real ones and look like the real deal except for these words priented on the side "not a real suppressor".

Looks like the only difference is these don't have the (guts) baffle chambers inside. From what I've read alternating rubber and stainless steel washers with appropriate hole and a funnel shaped spacer with a hole and an average Joe could easily build a suppressor comparable to a $1,400.00 store bout one.

Federal, state, and Local laws and tax stamps still apply.

If I were to try this I'd have to do something about the trail of burning rubber.;):);):D

theicemanmpls
March 2, 2012, 08:56 AM
"I made him an offer he couldn't refuse."

guyfromohio
March 2, 2012, 09:03 AM
I always thought that stuffing a potato in the Barrel would cause it to peal back like a banana and cause your bill to fly around to the back of your head while your face turns to char and bugs gets away.

F-111 John
March 2, 2012, 09:05 AM
The towel was to disguise the fact that he was aiming a gun so he could get his first shot off at a stationary target. It was not, IMHO, for sound suppression.

In that scene, he unwraps the flaming towel from around the gun and delivers a final coup de gras to the Don, proving that he wasn't worried about the noise. The fireworks out in the street provided enough cover.

David E
March 2, 2012, 12:25 PM
Sweet potato to silence a .410? Aside from blowing up the potato, what was he trying to hit?

Baby bottle nipples don't silence anything, except maybe a crying baby.

gamestalker
March 2, 2012, 04:21 PM
The escaping pressures are so high that a pillow, towel, or any other simular method will result in very little silencing effect, while completely exploding the pillow, towel, or vegatable being utilized.

Occasionally a person will get their hand too close to the end of the barrel or cylinder gap, this commonly results in a loss of fingers, or very badly damaged ones. To wrap a towel or other object around the barrel and then hold your hand around it to keep it in place would be pretty risky in this respect.

W.E.G.
March 2, 2012, 04:48 PM
The potato only works in the tailpipe.

hbadger
March 2, 2012, 05:28 PM
At other times, it is often enough to keep a gunshot from sounding like a gunshot.
Jim

speaking from personal experience, there? You must have an interesting line of work :)

Lost Sheep
March 3, 2012, 03:15 AM
Sweet potato to silence a .410? Aside from blowing up the potato, what was he trying to hit?

Baby bottle nipples don't silence anything, except maybe a crying baby.
Well, he MAY have been pulling my leg. If so, he did a grand job, because I swallowed the whole line, hook and sinker.

Lost Sheep

Lost Sheep
March 3, 2012, 03:18 AM
I always thought that stuffing a potato in the Barrel would cause it to peal back like a banana and cause your bill to fly around to the back of your head while your face turns to char and bugs gets away.
You aren't supposed to stuff a potato IN the barrel. You cut a hole in the potato and stuff the muzzle of the barrel in the POTATO.

But, I now have testimony that this does not work and 40 years ago I was being handed a line.

Gamestalker (post #24), I HOPE everyone knows enough NOT to try to hold the potato or towel or any other soft material covering the muzzle or barrel/cylinder gap WITH THEIR HAND!

Lost Sheep

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