Rolled the dice on one rough Taurus...


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RevolvingGarbage
March 3, 2012, 12:56 PM
...And it paid off!

I strolled into a LGS today looking to maybe pickup a Tapco stock for my SKS, or maybe put some cash down on a new revolver for carry. I had the guy show me a few snub .38spl's, an Armscor which felt OK but was overpriced, a used Rossi for no kind of deal, but I was thinking about it because it felt good, and a Charter undercover that felt cheap, as they always do.

I was about to leave, when a larger .38 caught my eye. It looks to me like an older Model 82, 4" heavy barrel. Basically a S&W Model 10HB copy. The tag said $150, and I told the guy If he had it priced for that, I knew he had to have next to nothing in it. I have no idea what the finish started as, but as of today its either matte nickle plated, or just a bare in the white finish. I am more inclined to believe its nickle, as there is no way someone got every last molecule of blue off the gun, and I cant find a single spot.

I gave the gun a thorough once over for good function. All chambers clicked in perfectly in single action, whether cocked slow or fast. Double action was smooth as glass and not too heavy, still perfect in timing. The crane is in good shape and fit to the frame is great. No end shake to speak of, and only normal rotational play. Basically this gun is a perfect model of revolver function, but with obvious signs of pitting and a decent amount of surface rust all over, especially under the grips.

I asked the guy for a no BS out the door today price, and he said $125. I bit, and left with the gun, a cheapo IWB holster, and 50 rounds of Magtech 158gr FMJ for $160!

I test fired the gun with 6 rounds so far, half single action, half double action. I learned two things: 1.I am fairly rusty with double action thanks to my 1911, and 2. Thanks to single action, I know that this revolver is an absolute laser with the 158gr rounds printing exactly on the front sight.

So all and all, it seems like a good score, no?

P.s Guillermo:

I know, its not a Colt DS covered in BBQ grill spray paint!

Next time!

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ApacheCoTodd
March 3, 2012, 01:30 PM
I like it. Seems like a great opportunity to experiment with engraving or refinishing with limited downside to screwing up.

BCRider
March 3, 2012, 01:42 PM
There's certainly no doubts that it's got some serious warts. But given the results of your in shop testing and the first 6 rounds down the pipe I'd say you got a darn good score for a solid working gun. And with any reasonable amount of proper care for it there's no reason why it would degrade any further.

If it's truly a Model 10 clone I know I'd soon be fitting it with a different set of grips. The little Magna like grips it has don't fit me at all well. Putting a set back onto my S&W 17 turned the gun into a "spray and pray" gun. If you're already shooting well with this one despite the grips once you get something on there which truly fits your hand then the results should be amazing.

A hint for you. There's a product called "Bar Keeper's Friend" out there made for cleaning stainless steel. Because it contains some oxalic acid it also does a lovely job of cleaning away rust and the black stains left from corrosion of all manners on regular steel. Some of this rubbed over the rusty spots with a wet sponge will actually reach into the pitting and "silver" up the metal. After rinsing it away it's then up to you to keep things properly oiled of course. But the pitting should end up looking a lot less noticable. And since you removed the corrosion it should be less likely to start up again if the gun gets wet from the weather or your sweating.

And once done the other 99.8% of the container can be used around the kitchen for any steel sinks or cookware to keep them looking like new if not better. It does a great job of removing even the worst burnt on crud with less elbow grease than other options.

Girodin
March 3, 2012, 04:15 PM
I think another $100 for the surplus S&W model 10s would have been how I would have spent my money. However, projects offer their own kind of fun too.

armoredman
March 3, 2012, 05:23 PM
That Taurus is NOT covered under the lifetime - my stepfather had one just like it he bought in the late 70s. The grooved flutes give it away. His developed a crooked cylinder pin and crane. It will work, but DON'T use hot or +P ammo in it. Glad to hear yours is mechanically sound, should give good service. Sounds like an ex security guards revolver, carried a lot and never fired.

19-3Ben
March 3, 2012, 08:02 PM
Neat. Sounds like a good beater gun!

bikemutt
March 3, 2012, 08:37 PM
Your's appears to have a pinned barrel, mine also had recessed chambers. Mine was a well made gun but I couldn't hit a barn door with it. I ended up selling it.

I paid WAY more than you did so, if you got an accurate shooter, I'd say you scored big time, enjoy!

RevolvingGarbage
March 3, 2012, 09:19 PM
Yes the barrel is pinned, but the chambers are not recessed at all. I wonder, is there a good way to find dates of manufacture for these? My gun is a model 82, SN 970384, with the number 234 under the barrel, on the back of the crane, and on the back of the cylinder. I assume that is an assembly #, but if anyone does have a good idea of age on this gun please share.

gearhead
March 3, 2012, 10:29 PM
You should be able to call Taurus's Customer Service and have them provide an approximate year of manufacture.

bikemutt
March 3, 2012, 10:31 PM
You will have to call Taurus since the online system disavows any knowledge. They had nothing for me and I suspect you'll encounter the same. Probably not worth worrying about unless you just have to know. Sounds like you found a gem that just needs to be shot; your work is cut out for you, go forth and enjoy :)

76shuvlinoff
March 3, 2012, 11:32 PM
Picked this 82 up a few months ago. Crusty as all get out, trigger tough as hell, bore is bright rifling good. I buffed up anything that rubs anything else with 400 grit then rubbed the frame down with steel wool and gave her a home permablue job. Lubed the action.

This next step is not recommended but what I did. I cut two coils off the hammer spring and one off the rebound spring. DA trigger is 9.5 lbs and SA trigger is 3.5 - 4 lbs.

Using it as a trainer for my wife and daughter. Even though I have several options I just like shooting the thing. Point... shoot, the hole is in the right place.

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr123/76shuvlinoff/Photo-0002.jpg

cyclopsshooter
March 3, 2012, 11:38 PM
That is not nickle, just carbon steel in the white.. a bunch of these came in the country recently, some really bad, some really really bad, some ok hand picked ones that will retail 199. I think 150 is a little high for yours but the dealer was blowing it out at cost because of the condition. non hand picked ones wholesale around 140 with 10 bucks shipping.

not that 150 is outa line.. should be a good beater gun but i'd drop it in a parkerizing tank.

Jaymo
March 3, 2012, 11:40 PM
That gun is matte nickel. The hammer mounted firing pin helps pin down it's age. It's an older one, from before Taurus made stainless steel guns.

cyclopsshooter
March 3, 2012, 11:43 PM
That looks like a lot of pitting on the barrel rib. I don't see any flaking... I'll bet $5 to Jaymo that its not nickle.

BCRider
March 4, 2012, 12:32 AM
By the sounds of all the posts above this one you got a decent deal on a good condition "work" gun. It'll very likely eat ten times it's cost in ammo before anything significantly wrong happens to it. And that's not a bad overall deal at all. And what with .38Spl being a lower pressure and fairly gentle round it'll very likely last a lot longer than that.

It certainly deserves better than a coat of BBQ grill spray paint.... :D

Weedy
March 4, 2012, 12:43 AM
She's a rough lookin old girl!

I don't think Taurus will be able to tell you anything, I called them about my old 65 several years ago, they couldn't tell me anything about it.

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o135/brice120878/0303122329.jpg

Not to hijack your thread, but does anyone know anything about my Taurus 65? I think its from the 80's. It's a good, solid, accurate shooter!

Good luck with your old Taurus! :D

cyclopsshooter
March 4, 2012, 01:04 AM
dont know about the 65 but i sent in an 82 with a split forcing cone a year or two ago and they replaced it with a new 38 at half msrp.

weregunner
March 4, 2012, 01:35 AM
This is the new Taurus Customer Service number at 1-800-327-3776.It's been around for a while.
Give them the serial # and they should be able to help.

JR47
March 4, 2012, 05:22 PM
I think another $100 for the surplus S&W model 10s would have been how I would have spent my money.

Wouldn't happen to have a link to the guns, would you? I haven't seen any numbers of Model 10s in several years. Especially not the HB.

Taurus Miami is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Forjas Taurus, of Brazil. The corporate memory is actually in Brazil. If you speak Portuguese, call them.

It is also not a Model 10 clone, the lock work will be different. Despite the Internet Myths abounding, Taurus was never owned by S&W, nor was the opposite true. They were both part of the same holding company for a short period of time. That's all. According to the Taurus web site, the transfer of technology was almost 100% from Taurus to S&W.

o Unforgiven o
March 4, 2012, 05:39 PM
Wouldn't happen to have a link to the guns, would you? I haven't seen any numbers of Model 10s in several years. Especially not the HB.

They have had these listed for awhile.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/910/Used+Guns/Police+Trade+Ins

RevolvingGarbage
March 4, 2012, 05:39 PM
I believe that while parts might not interchange in most cases, the gun is without a doubt copied from the Model 10 design.

Also, I am now sure the gun is not unfinished carbon steel. It must be a blued gun that has been refinished after a bad rusting, either in hard chrome or nickle. I have a bad case of acid hands, and if this was bare steel (like my 16 gauge double) it would have developed some serious rust/patina all over by now, and its still shiny where it was shiny yesterday.

I also carried the gun all day yesterday. Even in the cheap Uncle mikes nylon IWB it was incredibly comfortable to carry. It may just become my warm weather EDC.

I wonder why more people don't carry full size revolvers?

don p
March 4, 2012, 07:42 PM
I like it. Patina is a good thing. At least you don't have to worry about scratching it up. :cool:

wrigh003
March 4, 2012, 11:10 PM
Nice snag. I also think it looks good as is- character is cool. I've been looking at the cheapo taurus 82 former-duty-guns that jgsales.com has at the moment for a few weeks, but I can't make myself jump without handling one.

Owen Sparks
March 5, 2012, 01:50 AM
You can always get it Duracoated.

RevolvingGarbage
April 4, 2012, 02:09 AM
Had to revive this thread to show off...

I work a few bays down from a powdercoating shop, so one day I wen down with my Taurus 82 stripped in a bag, and they agreed to do a black powdercoat on it for a very reasonable price.

So here it is, my beater/carry gun, still less than $200 in.

Fishslayer
April 4, 2012, 03:20 AM
Yes the barrel is pinned, but the chambers are not recessed at all. I wonder, is there a good way to find dates of manufacture for these? My gun is a model 82, SN 970384, with the number 234 under the barrel, on the back of the crane, and on the back of the cylinder. I assume that is an assembly #, but if anyone does have a good idea of age on this gun please share.

Have a look here. If it's not in a data base I would bet somebody would know something.

http://www.taurusarmed.net/

My first wheelgun was an '82 vintage 669 with 6" barrel. A very servicable revolver for $300 OTD. I figured any issues would have already been dealt with. I still have it. ;)

Wouldn't be interested in selling the wood furniture off your SKS would ya? I have a Russian in black plastic.

redraidermgr
April 4, 2012, 09:40 AM
that is a sweet looking powder coat job on that revolver. It seems to be a great carry gun for you. I hope that you can get many more years of use out of it since you are taking care of it so well.

skoro
April 4, 2012, 09:47 AM
So all and all, it seems like a good score, no?

Good functional 38 revolver for $125 = sold score. :)

Hoppes Love Potion
April 4, 2012, 10:23 AM
I think I would try a duracoat or other epoxy paint job on it. Got a favorite sports team? Have some fun with it.

MCgunner
April 4, 2012, 11:19 AM
Wonder how powder coat will hold up on a firearm? It chips and scratches pretty easily on a motorcycle frame if it gets whacked. Tougher than normal sprayed paint, but that ain't sayin' much.

Nice job, though. It's a good shootin' ol' gal, that's what REALLY matters. :D

DMZ
April 4, 2012, 02:17 PM
I think every collection needs a few "beaters." That Taurus certainly qualifies.

Mine is a 30+ year old Ruger Mk II that has seen a good deal of use and weather, with less than proper care. Uh, maybe I should start a "beater" thread?

weregunner
April 5, 2012, 12:17 AM
Glad to hear the guns are working out for you folks.

Jim NE
April 5, 2012, 12:56 AM
I saw a Taurus .38 at the gun shop today for $176 with a slightly worn blue finish. I didn't check it out though - it was sitting right next to the excellent condition model 64...which I BOUGHT!:) 140 bucks more, but it seems like it was worth it.

But having a knock around gun seems like a great idea. I have a couple of those. Something you don't fuss and fret over. Enjoy your new gun!!

weregunner
April 5, 2012, 07:49 AM
The used 82s are working out as good all around guns for quite a few folks.

The owners made a thorough inspection and found the guns to be sound.

There were a couple of guns that had been used a bit too hard, but the majority seem to be working just fine and for less dollars than the "higher priced" guns with out sacrificing quality. The word is that the 82s are getting hard use and ticking right along fine.

I've got 3 Tauri with 30 years of field use, lock up is tight,no end play or shake, bores are still good, and timing is spot on.

weregunner
April 5, 2012, 07:51 AM
Taurus Customer Service number at 1-800-327-3776. Call here and give them your serial number and they be able to help with the date of manufacture.

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