New vequero grip install question?


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Keizer
March 3, 2012, 07:19 PM
Can anyone tell me how these particular grips are installed? They don't have a hole for the fastener.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll18/Keizer_08/Image1-5.png

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rcmodel
March 3, 2012, 08:31 PM
Well, the gun is obviously a custom built over the top job.

So I'd have to say the grips are one piece, and the trigger guard & backstrap are put together around it.

The grip frame is a custom two-piece like a Colt SAA with separate trigger guard and back strap held together with screws.

Like this:
http://www.peacemakerspecialists.com/parts.html
http://www.cowboy-emporium.com/saagrips.htm

rc

Keizer
March 3, 2012, 08:36 PM
I should have been more clear....my apologies. Those grips are on the Altamont web site and are specifically sold for the New Vaquero. But again....no attachment hole like some of their other grips.
http://www.altamontco.com/products/pistol/ruger/newvaquero.php

rcmodel
March 3, 2012, 08:46 PM
Well, then there almost has to be a blind nut in that side and a screw coming in from the other side?
Too bad they don't show both sides of the same grip set.

rc

Keizer
March 3, 2012, 09:03 PM
Well, then there almost has to be a blind nut in that side and a screw coming in from the other side?
Too bad they don't show both sides of the same grip set.

rc

That's what I was thinking too. It says "They also come with gold screws and escutcheons. " Sow who knows. Either way, there's going to be a hole right through the eagle which would ruin the design.

Dudemeister
March 4, 2012, 12:42 AM
It could also be shipped in 2 pieces, with a spacer and wood locating pegs, with the entire assembly requiring that it be glued. The only problem I see with that is what happens if you need to take them off.

Dudemeister
March 4, 2012, 12:47 AM
Just a couple of minutes after I posted this I found the real answer on ALtamont's own site:

Carvings

The Carvings show here on the Ruger Vaquero are traditional single action designs that Altamont adapted to the Blackhawk frame and cast in Bonded Ivory. Edges of our Carvings are smoothed over for the grips to comfortable fit in the palm of the hand and provide an impressive look while maintaining undisturbed ease of shooting. Altamont Carvings, which raise from the surface of the grips, can be stained with a dye to accentuate the design and achieve an antique look. Typically, our Carvings are on the right hand panel for holster use. These grips are attached with a grip screw from the smooth panel which goes into a blind threaded insert on the inside of the carved panel.

Hope that clarifies this. It refers to the bonded ivory grips, but I'm sure it applies to all their grips.

Keizer
March 4, 2012, 01:11 AM
Thanks Dude....that helps!

CraigC
March 4, 2012, 12:05 PM
It could also be shipped in 2 pieces, with a spacer and wood locating pegs, with the entire assembly requiring that it be glued. The only problem I see with that is what happens if you need to take them off.
You can't do one-piece grips on a Ruger unless you fit a Power Custom or Colt grip frame.

It's a blind screw. I started having all mine done this way because the screw hole irritates my middle fingertip. Like this one, only it ended up on the wrong side. :rolleyes:

http://photos.imageevent.com/newfrontier45/sixgunsiii/large/IMG_7120e.jpg

Keizer
March 4, 2012, 12:33 PM
It's a blind screw.

Thanks! I just wanted to make sure you didn't have to do some off the wall install using glue or JB weld. :eek: I watched a video of a guy that installed his grips with JB weld because they had a gold cross attached to the grip in the hole fastener location. He didn't want holes there. I didn't really like that idea too much. I don't want glue near my gun.

SabbathWolf
April 29, 2012, 04:33 PM
CraigC.....

I know this is an older thread now...
But how secure is the blind nut inside the grip panel?
Is it as strong as a standard screw going all the way through normal grips...or...can you break it if you accidentally over-tighten it or what?

Do you have a pic by chance of the "inside" of those grips?
I like the way they look, but don't fully understand either...just like Keizer.
I too was looking at Altamont just like he was....

CraigC
April 29, 2012, 05:08 PM
It's as secure as any other. The trick that the gripmaker who made those grips uses it to utilize an aluminum spacer between the grips to prevent overtightening. He does this for all his grips, blind screw or not. Don't have a pic of the inside.

http://www.clccustomgrips.com

rcmodel
April 29, 2012, 05:10 PM
I have done it on custom grips by countersinking the blind nut on the inside and glass bedding it in with epoxy.

You will crack a grip or strip the screw before you will pull it out.

If the grips fit right, the screw doesn't have to be white knuckle tight to keep them from moving around anyway.

rc

SabbathWolf
April 29, 2012, 05:32 PM
I have done it on custom grips by countersinking the blind nut on the inside and glass bedding it in with epoxy.

You will crack a grip or strip the screw before you will pull it out.

If the grips fit right, the screw doesn't have to be white knuckle tight to keep them from moving around anyway.

rc

"That's" what I was kinda wanting to know really.
What keeps the blind nut connected to the "inside" of the wood panel.

With a standard grip, you'd have to pull the metal threaded nut completely "through" the grip panel (from the outside into the inside) before it would fail.
And like you say, you'd more than likely crack and break the wood itself before that would happen.

The blind nut already being on the inside to start with had me concerned, as to "what" exactly keeps it from just pulling right out of the "inside" of the panel.
So they are just epoxied in place?

SabbathWolf
April 29, 2012, 05:35 PM
It's as secure as any other. The trick that the gripmaker who made those grips uses it to utilize an aluminum spacer between the grips to prevent overtightening. He does this for all his grips, blind screw or not. Don't have a pic of the inside.

http://www.clccustomgrips.com

The spacer sounds like a great idea to me.
Good to know!

But to be honest, the grips you linked to, while truly beautiful to be sure, are a little out of my price range.
"VERY" nice indeed though.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/Swampdragon/smilies/529eb8d6.gif

CraigC
April 29, 2012, 11:14 PM
For true custom grips, shaped to your liking and fitted to your grip frame, they are a bargain. You can even pick out the blanks used to create your grips.

SabbathWolf
April 29, 2012, 11:33 PM
For true custom grips, shaped to your liking and fitted to your grip frame, they are a bargain. You can even pick out the blanks used to create your grips.

That's pretty cool man.
No doubt!

Jim, West PA
April 30, 2012, 10:37 AM
Don't know who manufactured these ones but the concept is the same.

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Jim, West PA
April 30, 2012, 10:46 AM
But as you can see.
(And i have seen this numerous times.)
The material they are made of fails.
It is also the first material that i have ever seen that Agra Glass won't adhere to.
I have to take this all apart and find a different adhesive/means of repair.
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SabbathWolf
April 30, 2012, 03:03 PM
But as you can see.
(And i have seen this numerous times.)
The material they are made of fails.
It is also the first material that i have ever seen that Agra Glass won't adhere to.
I have to take this all apart and find a different adhesive/means of repair.
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That right there was my exact concern Jim.
Thank you for the pics.
I do believe I'll just stick with standard grips then.
True, they are not as pretty.
But, they seem like less of a headache probably.

Jim, West PA
April 30, 2012, 03:50 PM
That right there was my exact concern Jim.
Thank you for the pics.
I do believe I'll just stick with standard grips then.
True, they are not as pretty.
But, they seem like less of a headache probably.

Yer welcome SabbathWolf.
i figgered that would answer yer above question.
I am sure that grips made in this style made of a different material will indeed hold up to them bein tightened into place.
It would require tho that the knurled nut be epoxied into the opposing panel.
If the material is anything other than plasitc, ( or whatever these are made of), it will work.
Such grips would undoubtedly have to be hand crafted, at least the insertion and securing of the nut would, and that would effect cost.
If i were to say, make my own panels from wood or horn or antler, i wouldn't hesitate to make the outer grip plate fastener 'blind' and use Acra-Glas to secure it.
Mmmm... maybe i needs to learn how to 'work' either the moose or elk antlers i have and fashion me a set o' custom 'stags' fer my OA and or Vaqeros.
No doubt in my mind tho if i do wifey's gonna want sets fer her pistolas too :)

SabbathWolf
April 30, 2012, 04:37 PM
Yer welcome SabbathWolf.
i figgered that would answer yer above question.
I am sure that grips made in this style made of a different material will indeed hold up to them bein tightened into place.
It would require tho that the knurled nut be epoxied into the opposing panel.
If the material is anything other than plasitc, ( or whatever these are made of), it will work.
Such grips would undoubtedly have to be hand crafted, at least the insertion and securing of the nut would, and that would effect cost.
If i were to say, make my own panels from wood or horn or antler, i wouldn't hesitate to make the outer grip plate fastener 'blind' and use Acra-Glas to secure it.
Mmmm... maybe i needs to learn how to 'work' either the moose or elk antlers i have and fashion me a set o' custom 'stags' fer my OA and or Vaqeros.
No doubt in my mind tho if i do wifey's gonna want sets fer her pistolas too :)

That's how it works around here too.
Every time I do something "cool" with a gun, my wife decides she either wants to steal it from me, or have me get her the same thing too.
It must just be a woman thing...
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Either way though...I sincerely appreciate the time you took to answer my question. Thank you.

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