Red Dot sight for Mini 14


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Jibs
March 4, 2012, 12:57 AM
Hi all, brand new to the forum but have been watching a while. I just purchased a Ruger Mini 14, and want to mount a red dot sight DIRECTLY to the integrated rails on the mini, without adding any new mounts. I would like to keep the RD sight under 60 dollars. Sorry if this has been asked before.

Thanks

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john5036
March 4, 2012, 01:04 AM
https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_30mm_Red_Dot_p/primary%20arms%2030mm%20red%20dot.htm

For your price range, this'll be your best bargain that'll probably be more than it's worth.

awgrizzly
March 4, 2012, 01:29 AM
Oh dear, you no doubt have the dovetail mount slots fore and aft of the receiver. The problem is that a single point mount can't be sturdy on just one dove tail mount point, and if it spans the receiver you can as well have a rail installed. I had a GG&G rail for my ranch rifle that worked quite well and it raised the mount to provide more room over the receiver. GG&G also has a mini 14 mount specifically for red dot scopes that looks to be lower. Here's a link: http://swfa.com/GGG-Mounts-C661.aspx

LoonWulf
March 4, 2012, 01:40 AM
There are some long tube red dots that will work with the stock ruger rings. Have to look around a bit, but i BELIVE tosco makes atleast one model that should work.

Jibs
March 4, 2012, 02:53 AM
After closer inspection, the integrated mount isn't a rail. There is a small crescent shaped "divot" on either side, which accepts the Ruger ring base. I thought it was a normal dovetail rail. Looks like I will need a rail anyway I think? If anyone knows different let me know. Thanks again.

LoonWulf
March 4, 2012, 03:34 AM
Unless you go looking for long tube red dots your going to need a rail....i think you might WANT a rail any way just to give you better options for adjustment of you sight.

Jibs
March 4, 2012, 03:48 AM
I agree. Can anyone recommend a decent rail that doesnt break the bank?

dogmush
March 4, 2012, 07:07 AM
GG&G's are pretty solid.

http://swfa.com/GGG-Ruger-Mini-14-Ranch-Rifle-Accessories-C1832.aspx

briansmithwins
March 4, 2012, 08:06 AM
For the Ruger I'd recommend the Ultimak. Gets the red dot forward and out opf the way and sits very low.

https://www.primaryarms.com/UltiMAK_Optic_Mount_for_new_production_Ruger_p/m4-s.htm

BSW

wnycollector
March 4, 2012, 09:54 AM
+1 on the Ultimak recommendation.

A buddy of mine has an Eotech mounted on his Mini-14 via an Ultimak. It has been there for several years and several thousand rounds without missing a beat.

As far as the RDS, I have a Primary Arms Microdot and a Bushnell TRS-25. I like the position of the on/off/brightness settings on the TRS-25, but the dot on the Primary arms is much brighter. Either will serve you well.

Jibs
March 4, 2012, 11:07 AM
sorry, I just cant spend 140 bucks on a rail. Maybe fifty for the GGG. At that cost I would probably just use the iron sights. Does anyone have any experience with the weigand mounts?:

http://www.jackweigand.com/images/ranch.jpg

http://www.jackweigand.com/ranch.html

Lee D
March 4, 2012, 11:30 AM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=647091

awgrizzly
March 5, 2012, 01:31 AM
That Weigand mount you show there seems a bit imposing. I bought the GG&G mount and was very satisfied. It seems some other mounts don't cant the mount bolts correctly and don't make proper purchase with the dovetails. The GG&G do... they make top quality products.

There is another option on the long tube red dot. If you get one with a 1" diameter tube and it's long enough you may be able to use the scope rings that came with the Mini 14. Here's an UltraDot that Natchez carries for example:

http://www.natchezss.com/Optics.cfm?contentID=productDetail&brand=UZ&prodID=UZULDT0000B&prodTitle=UltraDot%2025%20Sight%201
(Cut and paste the link if it is broken)

It's spendy but you may find cheaper. But on this you may wish to be careful. The normal red dot has a 30mm or greater tube, and is much shorter. Since the whole idea of a red dot is fast aiming, a smaller/longer tube might make it less so. The proprietary mount system that Ruger uses on the Mini is a hassle. Putting a rail on the gun will totally free up your options.

Jibs
March 5, 2012, 09:10 PM
Maybe I am blind, but I don't see whether it is weaver or picatinny? Looks like picatinny to me, but does anyone know for sure?

Jibs
March 5, 2012, 09:57 PM
Thanks for the help guys. I went with the GG&G mount (the top one):
http://www.gggaz.com/images/detailed/Mini14-Mounts.jpg

and a leapers red dot:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/11HwtEJhksL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
the sight comes with both a high profile mount (so you can still use iron sights) and a low profile mount. It god good reviews from optics planet. Thanks again to you all for the help.

tuj
March 6, 2012, 04:15 PM
You asked about a dot. Depends on what type of shooting you are going to do, but in general, I have found that the best dot for price/performance is the Ultradot. The cheaper reflex-style sights tend to not have very defined dots; they are fuzzy or they won't hold zero or they won't have enough adjustment. The Ultradots can be slide-mounted on a 1911 and stand up to years of shooting and recoil. You can find them for around $100 used. Above that, the aimpoint dots are nice.

I would recommend a 4MOA dot for 50-yards and under shooting, and a 2MOA dot for over 50 yards. Note: the cheaper dots often appear much larger than a comparable high-quality dot even though they advertise '3MOA', etc.

Jibs
March 7, 2012, 02:09 AM
Well tuj, what I want is a reliable scope that can get me a 4-6" group at about 50-75yds quickly. I do not want to put bullet after bullet through a 1" bullseye (although it would be nice). I want to kill an adversary if they are after me, or an animal if I am hungry.

stormspotter
March 7, 2012, 12:54 PM
On an impluse I took a Bushnell Trophy Red Dot off my 10/22 and put it on my Mini 14. I just used a set of 30mm Ruger rings and so far it has held up well. Later I my get a Vortex Strikefire and mount it with just the front 30mm ring.

I have a Strikefire on my S&W MP15 and have had no problems with it, so I may just switch the Bushnell for a Vortex.

The below groups were shot at 50 yards using Winchester Q3131.

One thing I did to my Mini was to add ACE brand anti-slip tape to the stock. Works as well as checkering and heat it with a hair dryer for 8-10 seconds and peel it off if you don't want it anymore.




http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k10/ema567/006.jpg

DANNY-L
March 7, 2012, 01:07 PM
That tape makes it stand out and looks nice.

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