Top 5 milsup bolt-action rifles to own?


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valnar
March 4, 2012, 04:51 PM
I won't be a large military surplus rifle collector, but I will go for quality over quantity. What do you think are the best bolt-action military rifles to own?

I currently have a Swedish Mauser m/38 and a Finnish M39. I wouldn't put the Mosin in the top 5 category, but I bought it nevertheless. At least I got the Finnish M39 version. :) My next purchase is probably the Swiss K31.

Assuming quality is more important than historical significance or commonality, what are the next two rifles I should entertain? And to make this easy, no, I don't own any 8mm Mauser variations just yet.

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rcmodel
March 4, 2012, 04:57 PM
#1 = A 1903 Springfield, if you can afford a good high-number one.
(If you can't, then a 03A3 Springfield.)

#2 = A good K98 German Mauser.

rc

maskedman504
March 4, 2012, 04:58 PM
#1 = A 1903 Springfield, if you can afford a good high-number one.
(If you can't, then a 03A3 Springfield.)

#2 = A good K98 German Mauser.



#3 No.4 Mk 1 Enfield

Vern Humphrey
March 4, 2012, 04:58 PM
The top five are:

1. M1903 Springfield.
2. M1903A3 Sprinfield.
3. M98 Mauser
4. No.4, MK I (or II) Lee-Enfield.
5. No. 1, MK III Lee-Enfield

valnar
March 4, 2012, 04:59 PM
#2 = A good K98 German Mauser.
A K98 over one of the "newer" VZ or Yugo variations? I've only done enough research to be dangerous, but remember, historical significance is of little importance to me.

If a K98 is truly the best option, it gets put on the list.

wlewisiii
March 4, 2012, 05:03 PM
No particular order:
1) Mauser K98
2) Lee Enfield #1 MkIII*
3) M1903A3
4) M1917
5) M1892 Kraig

And if you can actually find one, an 1895 Lee Navy is seriously cool. I wish I'd had the $1,500 the one time I saw a bubba'd one.

rcmodel
March 4, 2012, 05:03 PM
Early in the war, the K98 & G33/40 quality was head & shoulders over anything built since.

IMO: But especially the Yugo.
It isn't even a true 98 Mauser, as the intermediate action length is shorter, and some 98 Mauser parts like the bolt and firing pin won't even fit a Yugo.

rc

wlewisiii
March 4, 2012, 05:16 PM
On the K98 issue: I would look for a pre to early war K98 or a pre-war VZ-24 from Brno. I prefer 7x57 over 7.92x57 but either will do well for range shooting.

A WWI vintage G98 (rifle length vs "K"arbine length) would be good as well.

nathan
March 4, 2012, 05:17 PM
From oldest to newer milsurp i owned,


1911 Swedish M 96
1927 Izhevsk M 91 /30 Ex Dragoon
1942 Sako M 39
1949 Fazakerley No 4 Lee Enfield
1955 Swiss K 31

Scrubbed Yugo captured K 98 still in cosmolene

skidooman603
March 4, 2012, 05:30 PM
I agree on above and add 1917
Whoops missed its mention...
Didn't mention Norwegian Krag 6.5

Smith357
March 4, 2012, 05:50 PM
Springfield 1903

No.5 Enfield Jungle Carbine

Colombian Model 1950 FN Mauser .30-06

Carl Gustav M96 Swedish Mauser

Swiss Karabiner Model 1931

Dr.Rob
March 4, 2012, 05:52 PM
1. Kar 98K
2. Enfield of some type
3. 1903 or 1917 Pattern US rifle.
4. Moisin Nagant to taste. (could be a Finn or a Russkie or a Remington)
5. Arisaka

Why? Because these rifles (or types) were fired in anger in 2 world wars.

GD
March 4, 2012, 06:10 PM
Top 5 milsurp bolt actions (in order of my humble opinion of classiness)

1) Mauser - the epitome of bolt actions
2) Enfield #4 Mk1 - a rifle built for battle
3) Model 1917 - what the Springfield 1903 should have been with sights and robustness.
4) Finnish M39 - The best of the most produced bolt action of WW2
5) Swiss K31 - straight pull but the epitome of accuracy and fine craftsmanship

I could put more on this list easily - collect them all!

murdoc rose
March 4, 2012, 06:12 PM
The m1903 is a must have actually Id advise buying everyone you come across.
Enfields of all types are fun I personally like the savage made no4mk1*s the best
I've always felt that buying whatever I come across that fancy's me at the time to be what I end up with.

Tempest 455
March 4, 2012, 06:25 PM
My K31 is hands down my most accurate milsurp I own.

MachIVshooter
March 4, 2012, 07:49 PM
It kinda depends what you're looking for. Are you wanting the 5 best made, or 5 to represent the different types?

If the latter:

M1903 (best Mauser)
Enfield
Mosin-Nagant
Carcano
Schmidt-Rubin.

In those 5, you basically represent the widest array of designs.

If I could only keep 5 of mine:

M1903
M96 Swede
M1911 Swiss
M93 Spanish
No.4 Mk I/III Enfield

M93

Harvey/ Ga
March 4, 2012, 09:16 PM
My K31 is hands down my most accurate milsurp I own.
+1....mine has the Grunel sights (open, fine adj. W&E).

GCBurner
March 4, 2012, 09:30 PM
It would be easier to go for a Top 10 or Top 20 list than to try to narrow it down to five. Just in US rifles, I'd like a Krag, and 1903, a 1903A3, and a 1917. Among the Mausers, I'd want a German 98 and a Swedish 96, at the minimum. Both the Enfield No. 1 Mk III and the No. 4 are iconic rifles that served in both World Wars. A Swiss K31 would be really nice to have, as would an Arisaka and some version of a Carcano, and of course no militaria collection would be complete without a version of the Mosin-Nagant. That's 12 rifles right there. If I had to trim it down to 10, I could probably drop the Krag and the later version of the Enfield.

chute2thrill
March 4, 2012, 10:00 PM
Can't believe only 1 other person said a Mosin Nagant, when I guarantee/assume everyone who has posted so far owns one.

harmon rabb
March 4, 2012, 10:00 PM
Might as well make it a 5+1 list, with the +1 being a Mosin.

Numeric
March 4, 2012, 10:21 PM
1. M1903 Springfield 7.62x63
2. Swiss Karabiner-31 7.5x55
3. Persian BRNO M98/29 7.92x57
4. Swedish M-96 long rifle 6.5x55
5. FN-49 7x57

The top 5 that I want.

wlewisiii
March 4, 2012, 10:55 PM
Can't believe only 1 other person said a Mosin Nagant, when I guarantee/assume everyone who has posted so far owns one.
Thanks, but no thanks. Just can't warm up to them.

But as an alternate suggestion, one of the various delightfully weird rifles that the French built - Lebel, Berthier, or reasonably easy to find, the MAS M1936.

Float Pilot
March 4, 2012, 11:15 PM
Hmm, only five? Well I get all hot and bothered about...

Swedish m/94 carbines. Unaltered.
Swedish m/94-14 carbines.
US Krag 1896 carbines (Rough-riders used them in Cuba)
US Krag 1898 rifles.
US Springfield 1903 (Late Rock Island Arsenal if possible)
Swede m/96 Rifle (1900 Oberndorf preferred)
Canadian Ross MKII Model of 1905 "Straight Pull" or a MKIII Sniper variant...
Model 1895 Mauser, Transvaal or Orange Free State Contract in 7x57mm.
Bruno Mauser Persian Contract in 7.92x57mm.
UK, Model 1888 Lee- Metford, in 303 Black powder / early cordite.

madcratebuilder
March 5, 2012, 05:35 AM
USGI mil-surp collection well exceed five rifles. They well not be getting cheaper any day soon.

Krag
US Springfield M1903
US M1917
M1903A3
M1 Garand
M1 Carbine
M1A/M14
AR15/M16

The Yugo Mausers are still a good buy and plenty on Gunbroker. I looked through four pages of them yesterday and saw a few good deals.

M1924
MOD98
M24/47
M24/52C
M48
M48A
M48B
M48BO

The Swiss straight pulls are up in price and well probably keep going up.
K1911
K31
K31-43/44
ZFK-55

The Lee Enfields can be a large collection to cover the major models and variations.
No1's
No4's MkI and MkII, plus 1/2 and 1/3's

Beak50
March 5, 2012, 05:59 AM
You guy's got everything I own covered except for the 30-40 Krag and 6.5x55 Swede.I almost brought a Krag at the show this wknd.but like someone said prices aren't going down.They wanted $850.00 for it and I just couldn't bring myself around to paying that much for one when they use to be fairly cheap when I first got into guns.The price of ammo at the show out of control,we'll be re-loading 7.62x54 soon along with the other old mil-surps unless you want to shoot corrosive junk.

csa77
March 5, 2012, 06:18 AM
#1 lee metford
#2 NO1 MKI
#3 NO1 MKIII
#4 NO4 MKI
#5 type 99 arisaka

ol' scratch
March 5, 2012, 06:20 AM
M1917 Enfield, 1903 Springfield, K98, SMLE, Kimber Model 82 Government.

skidooman603
March 5, 2012, 06:41 AM
Can't believe only 1 other person said a Mosin Nagant, when I guarantee/assume everyone who has posted so far owns one.

You would assume wrong..

skidooman603
March 5, 2012, 06:42 AM
#1 lee metford
#2 NO1 MKI
#3 NO1 MKIII
#4 NO4 MKI
#5 type 99 arisaka

Think maybe you need to go for tea and crumpets

skidooman603
March 5, 2012, 06:48 AM
[QUOTE=madcratebuilder;8008961]USGI mil-surp collection well exceed five rifles. They well not be getting cheaper any day soon.

Krag
US Springfield M1903
US M1917
M1903A3
M1 Garand
M1 Carbine
M1A/M14
AR15/M16

Nice list here except ....4 aren't bolts. I do own them all as well. More than a few of some..that could be my forget everything else list but those pesky 6.5's keep coming to mind

skidooman603
March 5, 2012, 06:51 AM
Kimber Model 82 Government.

Man if we play with .22 trainers we will have to move it to top 20 list..

Gunnerboy
March 5, 2012, 09:06 AM
NO ONE has mentioned a type 44 arisaka ?!? , had one wish i hadnt of traded it away.

Onmilo
March 5, 2012, 10:22 AM
Top 5 in no particular order

1886 Lebel=1st smoeless powder repeating bolt action

1903A3 C stocked Springfield=it has useful sights & a very good stock design

K98 Mauser=Because it is a K98 Mauser

91-30 Mosin Nagant=Has stood the test of time

#4Mkll Enfield=Good trigger excellent sights, excellent action

VZ24 Czech Mauser action rifle=Sold all over the world, better overall quality than the German K98

valnar
March 5, 2012, 10:30 AM
Thanks so far.

Murphy4570
March 5, 2012, 12:17 PM
Add the Model 71/87 Mauser to the list.

And the Berthier Mle 1907/15.

And the MAS-36.

I find it odd that some are speaking out against the M1891 Mosin Nagant rifles as a valid addition to the list, as they were used in two world wars as well as a massive civil war and various "purges" in between the world wars. Fought against itself and won, every time.

sixgunner455
March 5, 2012, 12:19 PM
'mericun
1903a3
1917
M1 Garand
AR15
Trapdoor Springfield

World - bolt action
some kind of Enfield
some kind of M/N - probably an M39
Arisaka (with intact flower mark)
some kind of Mauser
K31

tahunua001
March 5, 2012, 01:15 PM
my list though not shared by many others is
1. springfield 1903
2. 30 cal model 1917/pattern17 whatever you want to call it
3. nice K98
4. Enfield SMLE
5. mosin nagant 91/30 just because it's cheap and you wont feel bad if you shoot it to death.

PS both of the OP'd mausers are very nice.

Morrell
March 5, 2012, 01:26 PM
Not one person here listed either the 1891 or 1909 Argentine mausers? For shame!

fpgt72
March 5, 2012, 02:48 PM
How about a MAS 36?

I like mine quite a bit, and it is pretty good at hitting what I point it at....very under rated rifle.

Cosmoline
March 5, 2012, 02:51 PM
"Best" is a qualitative term. But if your goal is the inherently highest quality surplus arms, you need to include a Greek Mannlicher-Schoenauer in there as well. And a Persian long Mauser.

GunnyUSMC
March 5, 2012, 03:27 PM
I think that everyone has forgoten about the military trainers.
You just have to have a German KKW trainer in the top five.
http://i47.tinypic.com/35au7pe.jpg

valnar
March 5, 2012, 03:29 PM
I just looked up Persian Mauser. Yep, I believe that is the ticket I want. That plus a M1903A3 and I should be good.

Hammerhead6814
March 5, 2012, 06:31 PM
In no particular order:

Lee-Enfield No. 4 Mk. 1*
Mosin-Nagant 91/30
K98
Springfield 1903

Then at Number One:

K31

I think that's everyone's mil-surp list. The only K31 I own is so accurate no one believes it's almost seventy years old.

.45Guy
March 5, 2012, 09:31 PM
I know everyone is getting tired of hearing about it, but my new Japanese Type I is really growing on me after its first range trip today. An added bonus is that it is two milsurps in one... Half Carcano and half Arisaka...

Harvey/ Ga
March 6, 2012, 12:26 AM
I'm with you on this one!!

nathan
March 6, 2012, 02:47 AM
The underrated Italian Carcano made its name resonate far and wide in 1963 when JFK was assassinated. Never underestimate a rifle , its the person behind and not the rifle as they said.

Beak50
March 6, 2012, 04:31 AM
That's something about the Carcano I never understood if it did what they claim in 63 why does everyone I know call them junk.I almost brought one yrs.ago but got talked into what a piece of junk they are.I should of brought it just to have now that I think about it.

.45Guy
March 6, 2012, 07:31 AM
That's something about the Carcano I never understood if it did what they claim in 63 why does everyone I know call them junk.

My guess would be what happened in '63 combined with the Italians less than stellar military record in the modern era...

Scrumbag
March 6, 2012, 08:10 AM
Ishapore 2A for interest? A Lee-Enfield and shoots 7.62x51 from the get-go...

GunnyUSMC
March 6, 2012, 11:50 AM
Why limit yourself to just five rifles. Hell I have 11 different enfields.
I think one's collection should be just a few more then what his safe can hold because, you always need one or two to hang on the wall.

denton
March 6, 2012, 11:57 AM
OK, it's butt ugly but I do like my Finnish Mosin M39 on an 1898 Tula receiver. It's kinda cool to have a piece that isn't a firearm under NFA.

Probably the best built rifle I own is a Gustavs Swede M96. With Mojo sights to help my old eyes it's completely satisfactory as a hunting rifle. How many 100+ year old designs can you say that about? Great design and workmanship are always a good choice.

My last Yugo somehow transformed itself into a 6.5x55 for my grandson, but I've got a 24/47 that I'm in the process of putting into service. $200, plenty powerful, decently accurate, classic design. What's not to like?

I kick myself for passing up $150 K-31s a few years ago.

M69 Romanian 22 trainer... very accurate. It's a great little shooter and it set me back all of $69 and a lot of elbow grease.

Haven't gotten too excited about the US milsurps, except that I have hopes for cheap Korean held M1 Carbines flooding the market.

valnar
March 6, 2012, 12:01 PM
I just bought some Swiss GP-11 ammo while I still can. I like the fact it is non-corrosive, as well as the K31 rifle being admired for its quality.

I see that Samco offers some K31 rifles (https://www.samcoglobal.com/1-k31.html) but with a cracked stock. I'm not sure what that means. And since I haven't been following this model, I don't know if that is par for the course (were they always offered like that?)

If you were to buy one, is walnut or beech better? Or should I spend another $50 or so and pick one off Gunbroker (assuming no 'cracked' stock)?

Black Butte
March 6, 2012, 12:13 PM
Com'on guys, you have to have one from each major player during WWII:

(1) M1903 (M1917 substitution acceptable)
(2) Enfield
(3) K98
(4) Nagant
(5) Arisaka

This is the reference list. There can be no deviations!

CZguy
March 6, 2012, 01:00 PM
I think that everyone has forgoten about the military trainers.
You just have to have a German KKW trainer in the top five.

Well....I agree about the KKW.....but what I really want is that crate!

It seems to grow some really nice rifles all the time.

My list would be:

1903A3
1917
K98
P14
M39

AlexanderA
March 6, 2012, 01:12 PM
The French, Italian, or Japanese bolt actions don't seem to be on too many people's most-desirable lists. Maybe we should have a thread on which milsurps to avoid.

fpgt72
March 6, 2012, 01:16 PM
The French, Italian, or Japanese bolt actions don't seem to be on too many people's most-desirable lists. Maybe we should have a thread on which milsurps to avoid.
It is too bad that they are all great rifles. Too many people forget these are getting very old at this point, who knows what has been done to them up to now.

I own a type 99, it is fantastic...very long, I also own both a MAS 36 and a 49/56, as well as a carcano. All of the bolt rifles of WWII are on par with eachother...some think unless it is american, german, or now that the soviet stuff is so popular they are now getting all kinds of good things said about them.

Only those that buy very poor rifles, or have no experence with the rifles can say they are junk...when in fact NONE of them are.

Old Time Hunter
March 6, 2012, 02:27 PM
No particular order:

Mauser 71/84 (considered the French Gras, but nothing followed it)
Controlled feed Mauser(K98, Swedes, Span, Arg, Turks, Jap Arisaka, basically all same design)
Lee-Enfield (any variation)
Mosin-Nagant (any variation, cause of their fine workmanship;))
M89-M95 straight pull, first revolving head firearm that was successful.

skidooman603
March 6, 2012, 03:06 PM
OK, it's butt ugly but I do like my Finnish Mosin M39 on an 1898 Tula receiver. It's kinda cool to have a piece that isn't a firearm under NFA.

Probably the best built rifle I own is a Gustavs Swede M96. With Mojo sights to help my old eyes it's completely satisfactory as a hunting rifle. How many 100+ year old designs can you say that about? Great design and workmanship are always a good choice.

My last Yugo somehow transformed itself into a 6.5x55 for my grandson, but I've got a 24/47 that I'm in the process of putting into service. $200, plenty powerful, decently accurate, classic design. What's not to like?

I kick myself for passing up $150 K-31s a few years ago.

M69 Romanian 22 trainer... very accurate. It's a great little shooter and it set me back all of $69 and a lot of elbow grease.

Haven't gotten too excited about the US milsurps, except that I have hopes for cheap Korean held M1 Carbines flooding the market.

I wouldn't hold my breath for those Korean M-1 Carbines...Don't ya know they have those dreaded 15 rnd magazines? :eek:

morcey2
March 6, 2012, 03:59 PM
I wouldn't hold my breath for those Korean M-1 Carbines...Don't ya know they have those dreaded 15 rnd magazines? :eek:

I promise I'll only load 10 in it! Honest!

valnar
March 6, 2012, 05:25 PM
No comment on my Swiss K31 question? ;)

Beak50
March 6, 2012, 06:28 PM
I love my K-31 buy one while you can and get a replacement stock for it.I might get one for mine or just redo it" mines not cracked"just the beating they took during exercises I heard something about the boots the troops wore having something to do with wear.It is by far my favorite gun and just buy a couple of 440rd packs from sportsmans guide that's what I did but I am going to start reloading for it.good luck.

tundraotto
March 6, 2012, 06:58 PM
2 x M39
1 x 1903
1 x K98
1 x enfield

wojownik
March 6, 2012, 07:52 PM
Mauser - Gew. 98 or Kar. 98k
US Model 1903
US Model 1917
Finn M39 or Mosin Nagant obr. 1891
Enfield No. 4 Mk2 or Enfield Long Branch

JRI
March 6, 2012, 08:23 PM
The French, Italian, or Japanese bolt actions don't seem to be on too many people's most-desirable lists. Maybe we should have a thread on which milsurps to avoid.

I prefer the foreign bolt action rifles.French,Italian,Japanese,Russian, German and Austro Hungarian,over any American military bolt action rifle,seems to me the American military bolt action rifles are nothing more than copies of foreign military bolt action rifles.:rolleyes:

.45Guy
March 6, 2012, 10:23 PM
For shame JRI! How dare you insinuate that the 1903 is nothing more than an attempt to make a 2 lug Krag that ended up being a sub par copy of a small ring mauser! Complete with 2 piece firing pin derived from the Krag and retained through the experimental Springfields 1900-02, and what may as well be a split bridge to allow passage of the oddly placed third lug....
http://ww2.rediscov.com/spring/VFPCGI.exe?IDCFile=/spring/DETAILS.IDC,SPECIFIC=14778,DATABASE=objects,

beefyz
March 6, 2012, 10:28 PM
On a related question, today in the local "pennysaver", a guy was selling a "Remington" '03A3. Was there such a thing ? Its not a typo. I always thought the government at that time had the contract with Springfield.

.45Guy
March 6, 2012, 10:31 PM
Springfield was a government arsenal, Remington was a private contractor that produced A3's.

CZguy
March 6, 2012, 10:33 PM
On a related question, today in the local "pennysaver", a guy was selling a "Remington" '03A3. Was there such a thing ? Its not a typo. I always thought the government at that time had the contract with Springfield.

Sure, here's a picture of mine. 1942 Remington 1903 A3.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/badgerone/03A3II.jpg

wkumatt
March 6, 2012, 10:36 PM
Wow, this thread is this deep and not one vote for a Spanish FR-8 in 7.62. Gotta be the coolest cleaning kit storage pocket ever, plus the sweet flash hider.

Sent from my PB99400 using Tapatalk

GunnyUSMC
March 7, 2012, 01:04 PM
I have an FR8 and you talk about fun to shoot.
http://i53.tinypic.com/25f69es.jpg

Cosmoline
March 7, 2012, 01:32 PM
The French, Italian, or Japanese bolt actions don't seem to be on too many people's most-desirable lists. Maybe we should have a thread on which milsurps to avoid.

They have their own merits, but the OP was after the highest quality and best condition surplus rifles. That rules out a lot of solid rifles and many that were simply abused a lot. He's really looking for something like a Persian or unissued S. American Mauser.

French rifles get much grief but included some incredibly important innovations. Like the Italians their military was often first with new designs and tactics but didn't always have the wherewithall or funding to follow through. For example, the 1886 Lebel is without question among the top five most important firearms in all of history, surpassing pretty much anything in the 20th century. But it was very quickly rendered second tier by responding designs esp. from Peter Paul and Wilhelm.

fpgt72
March 7, 2012, 02:18 PM
They have their own merits, but the OP was after the highest quality and best condition surplus rifles. That rules out a lot of solid rifles and many that were simply abused a lot. He's really looking for something like a Persian or unissued S. American Mauser.

French rifles get much grief but included some incredibly important innovations. Like the Italians their military was often first with new designs and tactics but didn't always have the wherewithall or funding to follow through. For example, the 1886 Lebel is without question among the top five most important firearms in all of history, surpassing pretty much anything in the 20th century. But it was very quickly rendered second tier by responding designs esp. from Peter Paul and Wilhelm.
So true when looking at this type of rifle you can't lump them all into the same bucket...how well the thing was taken care of is the entire deal when looking at a "good" rifle.

My Garand...an old Blue Sky import is so shot out it looks like a shot gun bore....that does not mean that all garands are crap...but it did have a few other things going for it.

I said on another forum if you could find NEW condition rifles of this era with good ammo, lock the thing in a vice they would all shoot so close together it would not be worth taking about.

With service rifles, there are many factors that go into picking one up.

nathan
March 7, 2012, 04:44 PM
The Yugo M 24 47 is one of the most accurate there, no frills but just pure simplicity and tackdriver.

valnar
April 16, 2012, 08:47 AM
Here is what I have so far.

Two Swiss K31's
Finnish M39
Swedish m/38
Russian SKS (yah, not a bolt)

All of those are in fantastic condition and I probably paid more than I should.

On my list to buy are:
Persian Mauser 8mm from Samco - will probably never fire and keep in new condition
Yugo (Vz.) 24/52c in good condition, if I find one
1908 Brazilian or Vz.24 7x57 variation
Springfield 1903a3
Swedish m/1896 or another m/1938. Any reason to get the older/longer m96?

I'm not sure if I will pick up any Enfields. I'm sure they are great, but I have to choose wisely with the money I have for some safe queens. I probably won't buy any .303 ammo, so having the unfired 8mm Mauser option will be enough.

Second question-- Any technical advantage of the Swiss 1911 over the K31?

HoosierQ
April 16, 2012, 04:59 PM
Right now, there are only two Milsurp rifles on my list of "hope to own"


Model of 1917.
M1 Carbine.

ApacheCoTodd
April 16, 2012, 05:30 PM
M1903
M1903A3
M1903A4
Caliber .22 M2
Any Krag

farmallmta
April 16, 2012, 06:32 PM
1) K-31, the fine swiss watch of bolt action milsurps. Absolutely tops in all regards
2) VZ-24, Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia because he wanted one of them :D
3) Swedish Mauser, probably the best Mauser ever (not higher on my list because of non-warfare handicapping)
3) Springfield '17, the doughboy's best friend and proven sniper rifle
4) Arisaka, early WWII: indestructable and deadly accurate

bbuddtec
April 16, 2012, 08:56 PM
I don't know but I would love a 1903...

KUDOS to the guys that actually put pics up, nice stuff Gunny!

P5 Guy
April 16, 2012, 09:24 PM
As a sidebar, The Top Five Non German military Mausers?
1904 Portuguese not really a K98, but made by DWM in Germany rebuilt in 1939 and changed to 8x57.
Modelo 1895 made for Chile by Loewe in Berlin 7x57
Can anyone add more?

nathan
April 16, 2012, 09:42 PM
Not much has been said of the elegant M 98/29 Persian Mauser. I bought one from Samco and came in VG condition with lots of ding on the stock . I shot it and they hit high at 100 yds as they start at 300 meters if im not mistaken . I returned it and got a full refund. They were accurate though but hard to move the front sight post for some reason. Got to have a special tool for it.

valnar
April 16, 2012, 09:46 PM
Since I'm the OP.... :D

I'd be willing to forgo a nice (8mm) Persian Mauser if I could find a stellar example of a 7mm Mauser instead. I have no desire to shoot an 8mm. The Persian would have ended up a safe queen.

I read that the 1908 Brazilian and 7x57 Vz.24 variations are the ones to get. Any others?

Ignition Override
April 16, 2012, 11:03 PM
An Enfield #4 or #5 has aperture sights, a thin, protected front post and a nice sight distance.
The action is also smooth, and it holds twice as much ammo as a classic Mauser.

You probably can't beat the handiness and light weight of an authentic "Jungle Carbine" (#5).
A charging adult grizzly was reportedly stopped by four shots from a #5.

valnar:
How about the classic Chilean 7mm Mauser? A very experienced (with guns, and the stock market), astute friend who has three dozen milsurp rifles bought one.
Samco is selling some cheap 7mm Mauser surplus ammo, but the ammo has mixed reviews.
This must explain the low price.

303tom
April 17, 2012, 12:05 AM
Husqvarna Vapenfabriks AB m/96.
Lee-Enfield No. 4 Mk I.
Karabiner 98k.
M1903 Springfield.
Arisaka Type 30.

Those would be my pick..........

lukedsh
April 17, 2012, 12:25 AM
I would prolly go with a m60 jk jk but a garand wouldnt be a bad rifle to own

valnar
April 17, 2012, 07:03 PM
I said:I'd be willing to forgo a nice (8mm) Persian Mauser if I could find a stellar example of a 7mm Mauser instead. I have no desire to shoot an 8mm. The Persian would have ended up a safe queen.

I read that the 1908 Brazilian and 7x57 Vz.24 variations are the ones to get.

I got my wish. I bought an unissued Venezuelan 7mm Mauser in new condition. I can mark the Persian, Brazilian and Vz.24 all off the list now. It may have cost me a bit, but by eliminating three "needs", it was worth it.

Once I get a 1903a3 and M96 Swede to complement my m/38, I can slow down and take a break.

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To answer Bojangles7 below: Bought off AuctionArms. No have yet. You can take a looksee here: http://www.gunauction.com/buy/10997682
For the same price as a new Persian Mauser at Samco, in a caliber I prefer, it was a no brainer.

Bojangles7
April 17, 2012, 07:27 PM
Pics?

lionking
April 18, 2012, 08:59 PM
Nathan, the Persian mauser can hit high at 100yds but as you can see from pic what I experienced was that from one notch setting to the next on the rear sight impact changes from either below the bulls to above with 196gr ammo.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa45/lionking_rocks/persian%20mauser%202/029.jpg

However I have two persians and both hit within the bulls area with 170gr ammo. Windage still needing to be corrected. I wish Prvi would load a grain lesser than 196gr as I don't handload and American made ammo is excessively expensive.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa45/lionking_rocks/persian/073.jpg

But the Persian is a incredible and beautiful version of the mauser that is not that rare to find and a pleasure to shoot.

Speaking of pleasure to shoot. I understand the concept of "safequeen" and there is nothing wrong with just collecting but shooting them at least sparingly and seeing what they can do is part of the joy of being into them and if you care for them shooting them sparingly isn't going to ruin them I think.

lionking
April 18, 2012, 09:46 PM
Valnar lol, yeah it starts innocent enough. You swear you just want a couple, then next thing you know you are making reasons to buy more types. Then you start making reasons to yourself to buy another of a type you already have. It's called mil-surp fever. Something that comes close to milsurp fever is GAS, "gear acquisition syndrome" which usually refers to guitars players and their constant excuses for buying more guitars and stuff although the "G" could stand for "gun" also I guess.:p

South American contract Mausers are things of beauty my favorite being the Argentine 1909.

But for listing my favorite top 5 surplus bolt actions for shooting fun I would say

1# K31 or Swiss 1911 which is among the most accurate surplus bolt models known

2# Swedish M96 also very accurate and made with craftsmanship

3# Argentine 1909, Brazilian 1908 or Persian Mauser all being exquisite Mausers and not that rare to find

4# M1903a3 specially with a C-stock.

5# Enfield NO4. Can be very accurate and a very solid design.

With a nod to the Mosin M39 which can also be very accurate

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