AR's @ Wal-Mart


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Blank Stare 73
March 6, 2012, 04:46 AM
I noticed recently that my local Wal-Mart began carrying AR style rifles. I've never owned one at all, but I noticed they had 4 different ones, the cheapest being made by DPMS (I believe, or something similar) for around $500. If I bought one of these for some fun shooting would I be throwing my money away? Usually I only shoot .22 rifles, but I thought I might try one of those .223's if it is a "decent" gun for the money

Anyway, hopefully some of you knowledgable folks can help me out. They also carry the M&P 15-22, which is pretty tempting as well, but being that I've never owned one of the AR type weapons my initial reaction was to get one of the .223 chamberings (haven't yet) Haven't shot one since I was in the Army, it'd be fun if I could do it for under $1k.

Forgive my ignorance in this matter, any help is appreciated

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W.E.G.
March 6, 2012, 05:59 AM
Sounds like the DPMS "Sportical" model, or something similar.

You really need to get the EXACT model name/number, and just Google it to see what people are saying about it.

You don't "throw away" money on guns unless you buy something you have no use for, and you have no means of re-selling it when you grow disinterested in it.

Its usually far more work to properly re-sell used equipment, than it is to pop into the sporting goods dept. and whip out the plastic.

AR's are a lot of fun, and they cost about 30 cents each time you pull the trigger.
...and that's before you factor in the costs of getting to the range, and range fees.

AR's are hot sellers.
It is apparent that Wal-Mart is not going to miss their chance to turn some coin on the upcoming panic buying this election season.

ultradoc
March 6, 2012, 09:22 AM
Get an AR. I don't think you will be dissapointed. I was in the army too and got one..then another. Brought back some nice memories. Like WEG says..do your research.

briang2ad
March 6, 2012, 09:27 AM
A $500 AR is a range toy. It is not a serious use item. It is NOT made to be a combat carbine you would use in a serious situation to defend life/liberty/property AND depend on it to do that. If you have an extra $500 for recreation - pure recreation, OK.

Yes, you can buy a used Savage 110, and maybe do as hunting as someone does with a Weatherby or Sako. This you CAN do. But, you cannot compare a $500 AR to a $1000.

Right now Colts can be had for about $1000, or under. These are serious combat carbines. They are made altogether differently than a DPMS - night and day. They are a good deal.

When purchasing a semi-auto weapon for SHTF or some serious use, it ain't the same as savng money on your hunting rig.

Tirod
March 6, 2012, 10:31 AM
The DPMS and S&W can get the job done. Doubling the expense on a firearm that may never be used in urban combat is an individual choice; and apparently there are plenty of individuals who are choosing to worry about it. Since most of them are also going to the same ranges, shooting the same targets, and using the same ammo, it's a lot about establishing a social pecking order so you will know to genuflect appropriately when their shadow falls on you.

IF - IF - IF you plan on getting into any real hard use duty of a gun, the appropriate authorities supervising you will supply it. Even LEO's are being issued older M16's for their trunk guns. What that has to do with the civilian purchaser means nothing, not even cops get to practice enough, and certainly not thousands of rounds a month. It's mostly a dedicated HSLD player justifying their expenses with doomsday scenario thinking.

They usually miss the fact you can't carry an AR15 concealed, said pistol would be your first line of defense anyway, even at home. And, the statistics prove that, most intrusions are settled with less than three round fired IF a handgun is discharged.

The guns mentioned will do fine - they are mostly clones of the military contract M16 or M4. The specific parts not automatic are deleted, no problem there. Their quality control and durability are going to be less than military grade, you get what you pay for. Some detail like, a Magnetic Particle Inspected bolt might not be done - individually inspected. That costs money, and the .Gov does it to catch a few before they could fail early. After 5,000 rounds of use, they ALL need reinspection. A civilian shooter might take ten years to make that benchmark. A military issued gun, 6 months. It's a matter of perspective and use.

Don't expect a target trigger, or even one as good as the cheaper guns on the rack. That can get upgraded easily enough, Amy Giselle is selling a new manufacture drop in military grade trigger that's everything a soldier would really need. But, it would still be 4-6 pounds pull, with some creep - precisely because a military trigger is made with rough use in mind, not range or benchrest shooting. It keeps soldiers from shooting each other in the back, a worthwhile accomplishment.

What you will enjoy with the AR15 is cheap ammo, easy take down to clean it, if you want to bother, robust construction, and a lot of anti corrosion treatment to keep it functional. It is not "pretty" like the rest of the guns on the rack, because it doesn't have polished steel that requires a lot of maintenance to keep oiled, highly finished wood that cracks, dents, and swells when wet, or parts you can only get from the manufacturer. AR's have become a widely sourced universal platform, and given a few don'ts or incompatibilities, most parts swap literally from gun to gun to gun. The blueprint specs and makers hold so closely gunsmithing is nearly unneeded - even barrel swaps. It's held on with a nut trapped by the gas tube, lots of guys literally assemble them on the kitchen table.

That means if you want to make it a CQB special with NRA taxed short barrel, or a NM competitive rifle capable of making the standings at Camp Perry, it can happen, and all work done by the owner.

Buy the rollmark of your choice, the expensive ones charge more, but like Rolexes, you get your money back. And like Rolexes, you might pay more, but it still just puts a bullet down range. What people argue is the amount of needed accuracy and how much durability it might need - which is something the individual has to specify for themself.

Obviously, not everyone wears a Rolex, and not everyone shoots a $1500 boutique rifle, either.

Blank Stare 73
March 6, 2012, 11:44 AM
Thanks for the replies.
I do a lot of outdoor shooting (paper targets, jugs and such) and as I have yet to see a Zombie or a power grid melt down, that's most likely what I will use the AR for..........I guess it's cool to have a SHTF scenario gun, but I figure most likely I'll need my .22/12 guage the most for small game/food etc.

IF we get invaded by (Whoever) I don't think anything I could do would stop them, so lets suffice to say, unless you do a lot of hunting most guns are Target/Fun guns for the most part.

I will check the Model # and do my reasearch (to include asking questions here) before I spend the money.

briang2ad
March 6, 2012, 12:06 PM
If you really MUST save the dough, find a S&W Sport AR (Likely $650) and has MOST of the features you find in a Milspec AR. Or... try Palmetto State which has uppers and rifles which advertise Milspec standards. They did have a deal for a Milspec Carbine for $600 a while back. Here, you are much more likely to find a carbine you can use to both 'have fun' and use in a serious scenario.

roadchoad
March 6, 2012, 12:08 PM
You sure that wasn't a 15/22 or some other .22LR AR lookalike at $500? A $500 .223 AR puts it into my price range.

I ask because I just saw some AR's in DSG for $849 and above, but right next to them was a 15/22 at $499 or so. My 2 local WMs do not sell guns yet, just ammo. Not sure they ever will sell guns.

nosmr2
March 6, 2012, 12:24 PM
I received the Colt AR-15 from Walmart for my birthday this morning from my wife. She purchased it on the recommendation of my dad and friend, both knowledgeable of AR-15s. I don't know crap about them, gotta figure this out now.

RainDodger
March 6, 2012, 12:25 PM
I'll tell you one thing. I have a safe full of firearms, most of them quite expensive. I just added a S&W Sport, for something like $600. Call it an entry level rifle, or a low budget whatever, but come on over and stand in front of it. As someone said, it puts the bullets down-range... and quite accurately.

If it comes to urban warfare in my community, I'd grab that 16" S&W with no dust cover (oh, no!) before I'd grab my more expensive 20" AR.

I suspect there's nothing wrong with those ARs at all. DPMS is a well-known name.... though $500 does sound low for a 5.56.

JustinJ
March 6, 2012, 12:46 PM
Thats probably the cheapest you will ever find a new AR for. I'd say to spend just a little more and build one from Palmetto or Del Ton or somebody who at least has HPT/MPI bolt and proper staking. Also, that dpms probably does not come with a chrome lined barrel.

flyskater
March 6, 2012, 02:06 PM
Price is just a label that someone is willing to pay for. Paying for a high priced an item compared to another does not necessarily mean you are getting a better item.
Some countries the M16 is sold less than an AK and other countries an AK is sold less. Since the AK is less in the US, does that mean it is not battle proven?

It would suck when a robber trespasses my house, recognizes my rifle as a DPMS and says to me, "I am sorry sir, that gun is only $500 and it is not battle proven you can't shoot me with that! That's only a range toy. I shall continue robbing you now."

briang2ad
March 6, 2012, 02:27 PM
The SW Sport is a 'holenutta' animal than anything DPMS puts out. It is a good buy and has many Milspec features.

It's not that the gun won't necessarily run for 1000 rounds without a hiccup. It's about being able to do what an AR should do. Read.

Blank Stare 73
March 6, 2012, 05:34 PM
I went back and checked today. It's $559 for the DPMS AR-15 and $427 for the S&W 15-22. They also had a Colt AR for $1087.

So I could get the S&W M&P 15-22 (which my son is angling for) or for a $100 or so more I could get a .223...........hmmmm I shoulda priced .223 ammo while I was there (I always forget something)

crracer_712
March 6, 2012, 06:19 PM
Walmart around here sells tulammo in 223 for 4.97 for 20 rnds. That DMPS, while not designed for military, will be a fine AR. You still didn't give a model or anything, and for the price, I'd imagine it is a sportical, no dist cover, no forward assist and no case deflector. Nothing wrong with it at all unless you covet those other features.

If it has a dust cover, forward assist and case deflector, it's probably the Oracle. I have one I put together with the Oracle upper and it's a great little rifle.

Get the DMPS out of the case and grab the upper and lower and twist to see how much wiggle it has, then get that Colt out and do the same thing. My guess is the Colt will have a LOT more wiggle, just my experience from all the Colts I handled at the gun show this past weekend.

Colt, thanks, but no thanks, I'll stick with my M&P's

BTW, that 15-22 is a GREAT little plinker. I have two. For the price of 427, if it is the model with the flash hider, it's a good going price. If it doesn't have the flash hider/threaded barrel, it's an OK price.

crracer_712
March 6, 2012, 06:22 PM
Someone mentions proper staking, as in DPMS doesn't do it. That's bull, they stake, they have a video of how they do it, and it's done just fine.

crracer_712
March 6, 2012, 06:24 PM
I received the Colt AR-15 from Walmart for my birthday this morning from my wife. She purchased it on the recommendation of my dad and friend, both knowledgeable of AR-15s. I don't know crap about them, gotta figure this out now.

You have a great wife! And you are in trouble, these things are VERY addicting.

Ohio Gun Guy
March 6, 2012, 10:59 PM
I just picked up 420 rounds of xm855 (62grain, Green tip). for 159.00 Before tax.

Not bad, esp. considering no shipping. (170.00 out the door).

Biggerhammer
March 7, 2012, 12:32 AM
Our local Walmart is now selling Sig Sauer AR's.

shiftyer1
March 7, 2012, 01:19 AM
I really need to check out the local store!

awgrizzly
March 7, 2012, 02:51 AM
There is a lot of snobbery going on with ARs nowdays... it's part of the game. The DPMS will work OK or you can return it. The ultra durable and dependable ARs are an issue for those depending upon them every day for their survival, like soldiers and swat teams. The rest of us range warriors can make due with a whole lot less. $500 is VERY reasonable... I must visit Walmart. Consider also this... either you'll get bored with the AR and sell it or you'll get the bug and end up building them. If the latter you can rebuild that cheap Walmart gun into anything you wish. The only part on the gun that's indispensable is the lower receiver, and they're largely all alike except for the logo.

tundraotto
March 7, 2012, 09:13 AM
no returns on guns at walmart - must go back to mfg.

Beak50
March 7, 2012, 08:43 PM
That is awful low priced for an AR.I paid a little over a $1000.00 for my Colt H-Bar before the clinton gun ban.Just for fun If I didn't have one I would get it if there's a problem send it to the Manufacturer to get it fixed.

Autopistola
March 8, 2012, 01:43 AM
Ours got a bunch in over the last few months. as far as prices, YMMV.

DPMS Sportical $589
Bushmaster M4gery $897
Windam WW-15 $799
Sig M400 $897
Colt LE6920 $1097
plus a bunch of .22lr's that look like AR's.

Sergeant Sabre
March 8, 2012, 02:01 AM
omeone mentions proper staking, as in DPMS doesn't do it. That's bull, they stake, they have a video of how they do it, and it's done just fine.

No, they don't. There are pics all over of their piss-poor staking attempts.

chute2thrill
March 8, 2012, 02:08 AM
Cheapest made by dpms for around $500? I cant find them for less than $650! If i had the money I'd buy it now before they jack up the prices. I've been to a few walmarts in my day. and I've never seen them sell anything remotely "tacticool"! Sounds awesome!

Autopistola
March 8, 2012, 02:46 PM
It's probably worth noting that Wal-Mart doesn't give a hoot about RKBA, but at least they've brought the AR into another form of mainstream.

crracer_712
March 8, 2012, 03:17 PM
No, they don't. There are pics all over of their piss-poor staking attempts

Perhaps that's in the past and they've updated now. I know in products of all kinds, adjutsments tend to be made as time goes on. Mine is properly staked.

Sergeant Sabre
March 8, 2012, 06:08 PM
I hope that's the case.

Kachok
March 8, 2012, 08:41 PM
I am tempted to try that $500 DPMS, I never owned an AR before, I used plenty when I when I worked for the state and plenty of M16s when I was in the Army, but never one I could tweek with.

briang2ad
March 8, 2012, 09:10 PM
Don't pee away $500. You can spend $600+ with a S&W Sport and have a decent AR. Then again, save, and get something built like it should be.

Google AR Mispec, TDP, properly staked bolt carrier, shot peened and words like that.

Kachok
March 8, 2012, 09:39 PM
Really? They are that bad? I thought DPMS built pretty good stuff. I would not want to tie up a ton of money in an AR, since I don't usualy varmint hunt, I have a nice XDm for home defence, and I have several MUCH better calibers for big game hunting then the 223.

Eureka40
March 8, 2012, 10:24 PM
I had a DPMS Oracle that was a very good rifle. Properly staked, chromed barrel, etc.....

DPMS is a good brand.

jpwilly
March 8, 2012, 11:44 PM
I have a couple of DPMS rifles and there isn't anything wrong with them. They may not be 100% mil spec but I still haven't had any issues related to build fit finish or quality.

Ohio Gun Guy
March 8, 2012, 11:53 PM
I have a brother that has a DPMS rifle and it has been a good rifle.

crracer_712
March 8, 2012, 11:56 PM
That DPMS will be fine. No doubt it will be the sportical (for that price) with no case deflector, dust cover or forward assist. But it will shoot when you pull the trigger and hit what you aim at.

True, I think the M&P sport would be better, but I don't think you will ever find one for 600 bucks again. Cabelas had them on sale for that price before last Christmas, but you can't find them in stock anywhere now. At the last gun show I saw two, one for 750 the other for 899 (mark down from 999, of all things...).

You want to check out the Sportical, get on DPMS website and view it. Need more info, go to the ar15 forum, click on industry, scroll down to DPMS and read away. The company posts a lot of info there.

AK_Maine_iac
March 9, 2012, 02:45 AM
I would not want to be on the business end of any of them, be it DPMS, Colt, Bushmaster, Armalite . I do not have a DPMS. Do have the other three name brands. My next is going to be DPMS. I have shot a few of them and DO LIKE them.

Blank Stare 73
March 9, 2012, 10:54 AM
I really appreciate all of the info regarding these rifles (this is a great forum!) Coming from someone who does not know much regarding these types of weapons it was a big help.

crracer_712
March 9, 2012, 12:02 PM
They are addicting, mostly because the do dads are practically endless and all interchangable no matter what brand you have. Wanna change calibers, just put a complete upper on your existing lower, can be ordered online, no FFL required. The lower, it's the piece that houses the trigger assembly, is what is considered the making of the gun and required to transfer through a FFL.

AK_Maine_iac
March 9, 2012, 06:48 PM
Checked here at Wal-Mart every AR they had was 1K or higher with the exception of the one 22lr ar @ 529.00

D*N*R*
March 9, 2012, 07:35 PM
If it makes you :) enjoy. Count on getting what you pay for.

deepee99
March 9, 2012, 10:49 PM
AK Maine, don't forget WalMart is heavily into predatory pricing based on the local market of your particular store. Their marketing people might have found a weak gun retailer (hardware store, whatever) in the neighborhood they can take out by undercutting him, even if it means taking a loss on the ARs they're offering for sale. Once the local gun dealer is out of business, up will go WalMart's prices. At least with an AR you're not buying Chicom stuff. Just don't expect any knowledge or after-sale service behind the counter, although a fair number of WalMart employees are shooters. And by all means, hold out for a S&W. Better rifle, better re-sale should you get hooked.

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