Samco Persian Mauser "no blue" refinish


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Mustang51
March 6, 2012, 11:15 AM
The topic of Samco "no bluing" 98/29 Persian Mausers seems to be hot right now. A few years ago I bought three of them with the intention of having them refinished. I've had two of them reblued and had the stocks refinished and am getting ready to send off the remaining one.

I've already posted pics of the first one that came back here:
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=59057

I figured now is a good time to post pics of the other one that I had refinished:
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/001-5-2.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/002-7-4.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/003-8-2.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/004-3-2.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/005-4-1.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/006-9-1.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/008-2-6.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/007-5-1.jpg

This is what the rifles looked like when they arrived from Samco;
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/DSC01231-1.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/DSC01229-1.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/DSC01228-1.jpg

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jimmyraythomason
March 6, 2012, 11:37 AM
Looks good! I'm seriously considering refinishing my 1937 Erma RC k98 and my 1942 Finn MN. doing all the work myself.

Mustang51
March 6, 2012, 11:47 AM
Thanks, jimmy.

I'm a clutz, so I had this done by two craftsman that I highly recommend.

The blueing was done by Mark Waldo dba Blue Ridge Bluing

http://www.blueridgebluing.com/

He charged me $75 for a complete hot dip re-blue, including a bit of polishing (these do not require much). I think he now charges $95. He used to be a bluer for Dan Wesson arms and does all the bluing for Precision Small Arms.

http://www.blueridgebluing.com/

Larry Winslow at Reissued Surplus rifles did the stock refinishing and I highly recommend him.

http://www.reissuedsurplusrifles.com/

jimmyraythomason
March 6, 2012, 12:16 PM
That was a very good price for decent hot blue! These rifles do not require a high polish so time saved on metal prep but I'm thinking about glassbeading the Finn and polishing the Erma.

Mustang51
March 6, 2012, 12:31 PM
Whatever chemical damaged the original bluing also turned the cosmoline that was on the rifle into something resembling cured asphalt. I spent a fair amount of time trying to remove some of it before Mark told me not to bother because his tank would strip it off anyway.

wlewisiii
March 6, 2012, 12:39 PM
I've got a VZ-24 that's being re-barreled. The actions finish is shot & the new barrel is in the white so I'll have to have it finished. Hope it comes out as nice as these.

jimmyraythomason
March 6, 2012, 12:41 PM
While it is true that the bluing salts will dissolve most anything not metal,I am very picky about what goes into my tank! The salt's bluing ability can be dimished by foreign matter as well as contaminating the overall finish of the piece.

Mustang51
March 6, 2012, 12:50 PM
I think Mark boils it our first to get rid of any foreign material before it goes in the bluing tank.

jimmyraythomason
March 6, 2012, 01:20 PM
So do I (Brownell's 909 cleaner @180 dgrs) but it wont remove hardened cosmoline sufficiently enough prior to going into the bluing tank. Bluing salts (Brownell's Oxynate 7) costs $154.00 per 40lbs (smallest amount)+shipping+hazmat,too much to risk ruining it. None of this has anything to do with the job he did for you,which was great. I'm sure he knows how to handle his own set-up without contaminating it.:)

Mustang51
March 6, 2012, 02:08 PM
The bores on these "no blues" are incredible

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/001-6-1.jpghttp://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/007-5-2.jpg

jimmyraythomason
March 6, 2012, 02:11 PM
Have you shot either of them?

Mustang51
March 6, 2012, 03:12 PM
jimmyraythomason Have you shot either of them?

I've shot the first one. I have problems with the triangular/reverse triangular sights, but the rifle did well.

When I got it all put back together, after half dozen rounds, either me or the rifle settled down and put the last 5 rounds into a group of about 3-4" @ 200 yards

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/targets007.jpg


I took it out on another day and fired the target on the left at 100 yards. Later, I fired a second string and was a little disappointed because the group had opened up (shown on the right). Both groups shot with Prvi 196 grain sp's.

As I was packing up, noticed that the front barrel band had somehow come loose and slipped forward on the bayo lug. I think this caused to second group to open up a bit.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/parkedargy016a.jpg

jimmyraythomason
March 6, 2012, 03:15 PM
Looks pretty good. I would be pleased with those results from a bone stock mil-surp.

Mustang51
March 6, 2012, 03:37 PM
I glommed an original condition Persian that someone had put a scope base on. Bore is in about the same condition as my other Persians.
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/persiansniper.jpg

I finished it off with a 10 x 40 Bushnell scope

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/Target%20rifles/006-2.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/Target%20rifles/007-2.jpg

Put 5 "regular " Prvi rounds into a target at 50 yards
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/targets/004-1-6.jpg

And then put 7 "Match" Prvi rounds into a target at 100 yards
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/targets/001-2-2.jpg

First one went low, second one went high, then 5 in the middle.

I think that Reloading will help shrink the group, as will some kind of cheek rest. I had more of a "chin weld" than a "cheek weld". I think my "refinished" Persians would do about the same as this one...they are all in about the same condition now.

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