What Guns do you think have had the largest impacts in firearm design?


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Beak50
March 6, 2012, 07:47 PM
I know about the Mauser Bolt action.But if you can list them in importance and performance what would your list look like?Starting at the very beginning with the old hand cannon.

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OARNGESI
March 6, 2012, 07:53 PM
the sks

wojownik
March 6, 2012, 07:55 PM
The wheelock - where it all started
Colt Patterson
S&W No. 1 --> S&W No. 3
Luger
Colt 1900 --> Colt 1911
Browning Hi Power

Winchester 1886 rifle
Winchester 1894
Mauser

Thompson SMG
STG-44
AK-47
AR-10 - M16


Winchester 1897
Browning Superposed

Just for starters ...Not surprisingly, there's a whole lot of John Moses Browning here ....

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
March 6, 2012, 07:57 PM
Probably the most important innovation was the CONTAINED cartridge design. If memory serves it was a .22 rimfire from some French person. Wasn't any powder. Just used the priming compound to propel the bullet. Once S&W got hold of it and added some powder it took off.

jim243
March 6, 2012, 07:57 PM
Without any doubt the Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammerless is .32 ACP caliber, self-loading, semi-automatic pistol designed by John Browning and built by Colt Patent Firearms Manufacturing Company of Hartford.

All of todays guns (allright almost all) are designed based on this pistol including Browning's 1911 design.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Model_1903_Pocket_Hammerless
Jim

Nail Shooter
March 6, 2012, 08:11 PM
Glock, started the whole plastic fantastic craze.

Nail

Fishslayer
March 6, 2012, 08:36 PM
Glock, started the whole plastic fantastic craze.

Nail

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn215/THE_Fishslayer/Doublefacepalm.jpg

Positivity
March 6, 2012, 08:39 PM
@ #4

Actually, that would be the .44 Henry Flat, created for the original Henry Rifle. The fully self contained .22 came afterwards, I believe.

Malachi Leviticus Blue
March 6, 2012, 08:47 PM
1911 is clearly one

rosewood151
March 6, 2012, 08:53 PM
Hate to sound cliched, but, Colt's revolver and almost anything designed by Browning.

HankB
March 6, 2012, 08:56 PM
The Chinese firelance may well have been the very first gun, originating sometime around the 10th century. All firearms I can think of still use the same principle - harnessed chemical energy - which I'd say is a pretty large impact on design.

(Air rifles, railguns, Gauss rifles, etc., are not "firearms" in the normal use of the term.)

rcmodel
March 6, 2012, 09:04 PM
Guns design didn't.

What did is the invention and design of the components:

The invention of black powder.
The use of lead in making bullets.
The invention of the percussion cap.
The invention of the self-contained cartridge case.
The invention of smokeless powder.
The invention of jacketed bullets.
The invention of clips and magazines.
The invention of spitzer bullets.
The invention of non-corrosive primers.
etc, etc.

Without all that, modern guns would not have been invented, or possible.

BTW: The SKS?
Seriously?? :rolleyes:

rc

CmdrSlander
March 6, 2012, 09:09 PM
Mauser 98. Inspired the majority of bolt actions built since.

Owen
March 6, 2012, 09:18 PM
but the k98 was hardly the first bolt action.

paintballdude902
March 6, 2012, 09:18 PM
the maxim-- it was the first true machine gun.

CmdrSlander
March 6, 2012, 10:54 PM
@owen, I know, but it was very influential, and was quite possibly the finest BA design ever.

ol' scratch
March 7, 2012, 08:21 AM
I would agree with most of what is said. You guys have really added some stuff I didn't even contemplate. Chinese fire lance? Interesting and makes sense :D. Might I also add the M1 Garand due to the fact that it was the first semi auto ever adopted by a miltary in the world. It even changed battle tactics. For the time, it was pretty revolutionary and like nothing seen before it.

Onmilo
March 7, 2012, 09:43 AM
Facepalm all you want and point out the H&K VP70 if you wish.
Look at modern handgun design and tell me Glock did not influence what all is out there.

Mauser Model 98 action pretty well set the gold standard for bolt action rifle design.

The Browning Superposed shotgun did the same for over under shotguns

The Remington Model 1100 semi auto shotgun showed us gas guns could work and not rattle your skull like the recoil operated guns did.

Winchester Model 03 showed us that semi auto .22 rimfires could and would work with reliability and accuracy.

The Smith and Wesson hand ejector side swing revolver has become the epitome' of revolver design, copied the world over.

mdauben
March 7, 2012, 01:08 PM
IMO some of the most important:


1836 Colt Paterson (first commercial revolver)
Mauser 98 (most influential BA rifle)
M1911 pistol (arguably the most influential of the early semi auto pistols)
M1 Garand (first semi auto military rifle in general service)
Sturmgewehr 44 (first true "assault rifle", father of the M16 and AK47)
Glock (popularized polymer framed handguns)

Note that these are not always the first in their categories, but are arguably the most influential.

twofifty
March 7, 2012, 01:25 PM
1. the metallic cartridge
2. smokeless powder
3. standardized interchangeable parts
4. the assembly line
5. SAAMI & euro cartridge standards
6. developments in metal casting, stamping, MIM forging
7. plastic moulding technology

Pilot
March 7, 2012, 01:28 PM
Phased Plasma Rifle. It started the whole "40" craze.

Beak50
March 7, 2012, 07:58 PM
Can anyone tell me what was the first Bolt action?I'm just curious I knew it wasn't the Mauser but wouldn't it have to have come after the American Civil War?

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