Top Three Calibers for a New Production Hunting Rifle?


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CmdrSlander
March 6, 2012, 07:41 PM
If a new hunting rifle was going to go into production this year, what three short action, long action, and magnum calibers (9 calibers total) should the manufacturer offer? The rifle is custom grade and costs between $1300 to $2500. It is based on newly designed Mauser/M70 hybrid action, this action is naturally very strong.

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rule303
March 6, 2012, 07:45 PM
I will be the boring one here. In SA: .22-250, .243, and .308. LA: .25-06, .270, .30-06. In Magnum: 7mm RM, .300WM, .375 H&H. What does any other caliber really offer that those don't?

CmdrSlander
March 6, 2012, 07:59 PM
I will be the boring one here. In SA: .22-250, .243, and .308. LA: .25-06, .270, .30-06. In Magnum: 7mm RM, .300WM, .375 H&H. What does any other caliber really offer that those don't?
I like it, but I'd replace .22-250 w/.223 Rem, same applications but more common, plentiful and varied thanks to the success of the AR15, of course all the SA cartridges you listed are based upon the .308 and that would simplify things.

wlewisiii
March 6, 2012, 10:09 PM
All I need in a bolt action is 7x57.

Ranger30-06
March 6, 2012, 10:13 PM
Short action: .223, .243, .308
Long action: .270, .30-06, .35 Whelen

Those are what I would want at least... Honorable mentions go to the .260, 7mm family, .338 WM, and .375 H&H

tactikel
March 6, 2012, 10:33 PM
Short: .204 ruger, .243, 7 mm-308
Long: .220 swift, .270, .30-06
Mag: 7mm rem, 300 win, .338 win mag

Liberty1776
March 6, 2012, 10:34 PM
.223, .243, .257, .308 (yah, I know...)

7x57, .270, 30-06 (arguably a 7x57 fits better through a long action

7 Rem Mag, .300 Win Mag, .338 Win Mag

Maxicooper
March 6, 2012, 10:55 PM
.243win, .308win, .375 H&H. :D

tundraotto
March 7, 2012, 08:14 AM
223 rem
308 win
300 win mag

bushmaster1313
March 7, 2012, 08:14 AM
.257 Roberts
Robert is scoped and ready:)


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GuysModel94
March 7, 2012, 09:12 AM
Long Action: 25-06, 270, & 30-06; Don't have much use for anything else.

HOOfan_1
March 7, 2012, 09:22 AM
If it is custom, and costs that much, I don't think the intended buyers need to worry about ammo cost.

Short Action: .22-250, 7mm-08, .300 WSM
Standard Action: 6.5x55 Swede, .280 Remington, .375 Ruger
Magnum: 7mm Remington, .338 Winchester, .416 Rigby

mdauben
March 7, 2012, 01:06 PM
Short: .223/.243/.308
Long: .25-06/.270/.30-06
Magnum: 7mm/.300/.338

Kachok
March 7, 2012, 01:38 PM
Short: 260 Rem, 308, 300 WSM.
Long: 30-06, 6.5x55, 7x57
Magnum 338 Win Mag, 7mm Rem mag, 375 H&H
Thats my list and I'm sticking to it :D I will make honorable mention for the 25-06, 280Rem, 270 Win/WSM, 6.5-284 and 300 Win Mag.

jmr40
March 7, 2012, 01:52 PM
All I need in a bolt action is 7x57. With today's bullets that would not be a bad choice.

DRYHUMOR
March 7, 2012, 06:08 PM
I'll pick one of each...

SA 260 with 1:8 twist
LA 280 with 1:9.25 twist
MAG 340 Weatherby 1:10 twist

Gtscotty
March 7, 2012, 06:14 PM
Short Action: .223, .308, 300 WSM
Long Action: 25-06, .270, 30-06
Long Action (Magnum): 7mm Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag, 338 Win Mag

Beak50
March 7, 2012, 07:31 PM
You guys got them all covered I especially agree with the 6.5x55.That is my next gun a small ring Swede saving up for it.

igousigloo
March 7, 2012, 08:50 PM
7mmx08

LoonWulf
March 8, 2012, 01:58 PM
How custom are we talking? Call and order custom or production line custom? What are the actual action lengths 2.8-3.2 short 3.4-3.75? What will the diameter be?
We all have our preference and peeves, but depending on the specs some rounds will or wont work as well as we would like.

If its going to be a standard production unit with spme custom features, or be orderable in custom configurations, then i would suggest sticking to rounds that are in general use and sell well. .223/5.56, 22-250, .243, 30-06 etc. I would also offer the option (at a small premium) to have the gun chambered for a list of less common rounds and wilcats.

If were talking a true custom rifle better be prepared to chamber anything the customer wanta that will fit in the action.

wlewisiii
March 8, 2012, 02:22 PM
I'll also step up and address my own pet peeve of late - the lack of iron sights or even the ability to order them. I was going to order a rifle from ER Shaw but they will not install iron sights. For that kind of money, I find that lack inexcusable. Instead I tracked down a VZ24 action and am proceeding with a custom built on it.

At least offer varied sight options. Not all of us are interested super long range shots with a super high power scope.

Hizzie
March 8, 2012, 06:36 PM
SA .223 Rem, .300Black, ?

LA 30.06, 338WM, ?

MAG .375 H&H, .458 Lott, one of the various .500's possbily the .495 A2

Geno
March 8, 2012, 07:00 PM
Simple for me.

Short-action:
.223 Rem
.260 Rem
.308 Win

Long-action:
.25-06 Rem
.270 Win
.30-06 Sprg

Magnum-action:
.264 Win Mag
.300 Win Mag
.338 Win Mag

602 Brno-action:
.375 H&H Mag
.416 Rem Mag
.460 Wea Mag

mnhntr
March 8, 2012, 07:12 PM
SA .243 - .260 - .308
LA .22-250 - .270 - .30-06
Magnum .7RUM - .338RUM - .416 Rigby

Lloyd Smale
March 9, 2012, 06:30 AM
id like to see a 300 H&H. Its tough to find one and i think they would sell real well.

Kachok
March 9, 2012, 03:37 PM
The 300 H&H has no real advantage over the 300 Win, but then again the Win has only a minor advantage over the H&H so how on earth it cought on is a mystery to me.

Bore Rider
March 13, 2012, 05:49 PM
Varmint SA: 223 and 220 Swift
Deer SA: 7x57 and 308
Deer LA: 280 and 25-06
Magnum: 300 Weatherby (I have one in a 700 Classic) and 338 Win Mag

Kachok
March 14, 2012, 12:54 AM
Varmint SA: 223 and 220 Swift
Deer SA: 7x57 and 308
Deer LA: 280 and 25-06
Magnum: 300 Weatherby (I have one in a 700 Classic) and 338 Win Mag
7x57 is a Mauser or Long action, length is 3.065" max, which is longer then any short action that I know of. 2.810" is the standard short action aka 308

Bore Rider
March 18, 2012, 06:56 PM
7x57 is a Mauser or Long action, length is 3.065" max, which is longer then any short action that I know of. 2.810" is the standard short action aka 308

Oh I'm sorry. Can you find it in your heart to forgive me? When it comes down to the nut-cuttin' though a 338 win mag really isn't a magnum length cartridge as it works with 30-06 length actions. So I was wrong there too. Can the 338 then be called one of the first short action magnums?

Elkins45
March 18, 2012, 07:10 PM
.22-250
.243
.308

.270
.30-06
.35 Whelen (honorable mention to the .25-06)

.257 Weatherby
.300 Win mag
.375 H&H

Old Time Hunter
March 19, 2012, 10:19 AM
Would say a 6.5 X 55, but my wife can actually shoot a 6.5 X 55 without flinching so, I have to go with a .444 or .375 Win.

Don't want my wife using it.

jim243
March 19, 2012, 10:47 AM
The rifle is custom grade and costs between $1300 to $2500

The question is "What caliber would a customer spend this much money for?" There are a lot of good production rifles out there in common calibers, so why should they spend this much money for a common caliber?

If it is truely a custom grade than the caliber should reflect something they just can not get off the shelf at Cabela's or Gander Mt.

Now the question is what calibers are hard to find off the shelf? A 257? A 280? A 6mmbr? What are the custom shops making for their customers? That is the market you should be shooting for.

Jim

Joshua M. Smith
March 19, 2012, 11:17 PM
Hello,

I'll be the weird one:

.308
7.62x39
5.45x39
.458 SOCOM (for deer hunters in Indiana)

.30-06 and all its variants/wildcats, like the .25-06
7.62x54R
7.92x57

The rifle should be in both left- and right-hand configurations.

Regards,

Josh

LoonWulf
March 19, 2012, 11:52 PM
Eeesh what are you russian :p those are some odd choices but definitely cool.

dubya450
March 20, 2012, 12:24 AM
SA - 7mm-08, .308, 338 federal
LA - 25-06, 270, 30-06
MAG - 300 winny, 375 H&H, 416 rigby

I'd add in 338 lapua if factory ammo wasn't $100+/20

NYH1
March 20, 2012, 01:02 AM
Short Action-
223 Rem. or 5.56x45mm NATO.
243 Win.
308 Win.

Long Action-
25-06 Rem.
280 Rem.
30-06 Spr.

Magnum Action-
7mm Rem. Mag.
300 Win. Mag.
338 Win. Mag.

Just my $.02, NYH1.

lefteyedom
March 20, 2012, 02:30 AM
There are two ways of looking at this.
! you want to sell the most rifle to Big Box mind average shooter
then

Short Long Mag
223 25-06 7 Mag Remington
243 270 300 Win Mag
308 30-6 338 Win Mag

If you are aiming at higher in Market then, the calibers should bespoke/

dos0711
March 20, 2012, 05:05 AM
.270 WIN and 30-06

Smith357
March 20, 2012, 10:27 AM
.22lr

.50 muzzle loader

.308 Winchester

Joshua M. Smith
March 20, 2012, 01:25 PM
Eeesh what are you russian those are some odd choices but definitely cool.

While I know those seem strange, I also know that those calibers are here to stay.

Once folks start handloading for something and Lee, RCBS, etc start making regular production dies, you can almost bet that they've found a definite home in the US.

Not as many 7.92x57 shooters as .30-06, but the 8mm Mauser sure takes its share of game yearly!

The 7.62x54R and x39 are moving into that category, too.

I think the 5.45x39mm would make an excellent varmint round and perhaps second barrel to a 7.62x39 chambering.

Had the Third Reich lasted a bit longer (thank God it fell!), we'd probably be playing with the 7.92x33 Kurz in Gewehr 44-style semi-automatic weapons.

We probably have one more step in the evolution of small arms calibers, that being the 6.Xmm/.24X caliber range, and and they'll likely progress with the powder and bullets (monolithic metals and polymer, anyone?) instead of messing with the bore size too much more.

Just some thoughts.

Regards,

Josh

SDBoltz
March 20, 2012, 01:54 PM
I'll do my short actions then with SA Mags and same with LA

SA: .204/.260/.308
LA: 6.5-284/.270 Win/.30-06

SA Mags: .270WSM/7mmSAUM/.300WSM
LA Mags: 7mmSTW/.300RUM/.338 Lapua

SpeedAKL
March 20, 2012, 04:14 PM
Am I building a rifle lineup with what I think are the coolest cartridges or am I building a rifle lineup to move product?:) I'll assume the latter:

Short action varmint: .204 Ruger, .223 Rem, .22-250
Short action: .243 Win, 7mm-08 Rem, .308 Win
Standard action: .25-06, .270 Win, .30-06
Standard action magnum: 7mm RM, .300WM, .338WM
Magnum action: .300 Wby, .340 Wby, .375H&H

I added varmint cartidges and split the standard-length action into regular and magnum cartridges (since they would use the same action length).

Honorable mentions go to the .257 Weatherby, .260 Rem, .280 Rem, .300WSM, .300RUM, .338RUM, .416RM, and .458 Win Mag

lefteyedom
March 22, 2012, 01:21 AM
The heart of the question is who is your target market?
It is unlikely that a new manufactor is going to beat Savage of price point of common caliber loadings. Stevens 200 in 30.06 at Walmart is going to be very hard to beat on prices.

So what can the new company offer that other bigger bigger companies can't?

Rifles built to order...bespoke.... Take a look at E.R. Semi custom rifles built on savage actions... Almost any caliber you could want...

hardluk1
March 22, 2012, 09:04 AM
Not another mauser/model 70 design. How about this with more caliber options. http://www.montanarifleco.com/custom.rifles.html

Kachok
March 22, 2012, 09:48 AM
I think we should include Mauser length actions, they are in between our short and standard actions. 7x57, 6.5x55, and 8x57 are as highly effective today as they were a hundred years ago. Using the right bullets and putting them where they are supposed to go and they will cleanly drop any anamal that ever walked. By my manulas the 7x57 was always just as potent as our modern 7mm-08. The 6.5x55 is every bit as powerful and accurate as the newfangle 6.5 Creedmore, 6.5x47, and 260 Rem. And the 8x57 is everything the 338 Federal ever wanted to be......yes I know there is a tiny 0.013" difference between them, but look at the ballistics and they are VERY close rivals except the 8X57 does not have to use compressed loads to get there :) Those bullets come from an era when hype had little to do with rifle sales, and military testing was everything. And the best part is they all match their modern counterparts with lower pressures.

sugarmaker
March 22, 2012, 10:01 AM
.223 with wyldie chamber so it can shoot 5.56 and .223
.243 win
7-08
308
300WSM
'06
7mm rem
.338 win
.375HH

this puts lots of choices in the popular "middle of the road" area

charlie echo
March 22, 2012, 06:49 PM
22lr
308
458 WM

Alt: 375 H&H

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