I need help...please discourage me from getting a 338-378...


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saturno_v
March 6, 2012, 07:52 PM
I'm not joking about the help part...seriously....lately I'm having the itch (increasing by the day) to get a Mar V chambered for this fantastic cartridge....

It is totally irrational I know.....I'm not interested in reloading (at this point some of you already are laughing and rightly so) but I'm not excluding that I may become if I did own one of these rifle...


I'm fascinated by this incredible chambering...it is like a Ferrari of the ammunition.....extremely capable and agile.....you get almost the same long range performance if not better (in terms of trajectory and range) of a 50 BMG without the weight and size.....with a regular shouldered rifle....

What I would do if I get one?? Probably firing off few rounds at year impressing folks at the range with the boom and having fun at non competitive long rage target shooting (read firing at stuff)......dreaming of a nice hike overseeing a nice flat piece of desertic terrain under the sun firing off bullets at the blue yonder....

Mostly it would stay in the safe, being just happy to own one knowing the rifle potential (much higher than mine)

I thought that owning a 338 Win Mag would cure the itch (getting somehow not too distant performance at a fraction of the price) but is coming back with a vengeance..launching a 300 grain bullet at about 3000 fps has some magic for me :D

All of this is sufficient to justify shelling out well north of $1000 for the rifle, excluding the appropriate glass?? What about $120 a box for the ammo (with no reloading)??

Please talk me away from it......part of the problem is that I have a sizeable and growing cash stash of firearm purchase fodder ready to deploy but I do not want to do anything too foolish....

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InfamousLegend
March 6, 2012, 07:56 PM
I probably won't help any, but if you have the available cash and you have an itch for an uncommon weapon then go for it. But only if you have the extra cash flow. The way I see it everyone needs atleast one uncommon rifle caliber to round out their collection.

gbran
March 6, 2012, 08:40 PM
Sounds perfectly logical to me.

DM~
March 6, 2012, 08:52 PM
I need help...please discourage me from getting a 338-378...

WHY would i do that??? If you want to torture yourself, i'm fine with that.

Personally, i wouldn't want one at any price...

DM

Vern Humphrey
March 6, 2012, 08:56 PM
I suggest you locate a .338-.378, buy a 20-round box of ammo, and fire all twenty rounds off the bench at one sitting.

If that doesn't cure you, nothing will.

a-sheepdog
March 6, 2012, 08:58 PM
That is quite a round for most anything on the continent if you are a hunter. Not being a reloader, you are going to have to pay dearly for ammo, which you are already aware of.The rifle will be heavy and extremely loud with a brake. If you already have a 338 win mag, whats the use in getting that particular round? A 338 win mag is nothing to sneeze at, a versatile round with several different bullet weights and choices and about half the cost of the 338-378. Thats just my take on it, but I am biased as I own a couple of 338 win mags. If I moved up, a 416 would be my next caliber choice. Once again, depends on what the purpose is for the rifle.

TexasPatriot.308
March 6, 2012, 09:24 PM
like Vern said, try this, it'll probably spend the rest of your life in your safe. other more sensible calibers are out there.

sage5907
March 6, 2012, 09:42 PM
For some people the fun of owning something is the buying process, but once the planning and purchase is over the object of interest is relegated to a spot in the corner to gather dust. It may be my heritage but I plan every purchase far in advance and use every item for years into the future. I haven't made many mistakes in my life but I remember every one like it was yesterday. If I had the money to buy a 338/378 I would also spend the money to go to Kodiak Island on a guided hunt with all the frills and bring home a big brown bear. That bear hunt would be far more important than the rifle. BW

tactikel
March 6, 2012, 09:48 PM
If you are not going to handload DON'T do it :) Get a .338 win mag. OTOH if you might consider handloading, DO IT! And post your experiences!

rcmodel
March 6, 2012, 09:57 PM
please discourage me from getting a 338-378... O.K., I'll try.
For a test run, go to any softball field this summer and let the catcher from the girls softball team hit you in the shoulder with a softball bat as hard as she can.
Now let her do it again & again without you flinching as she winds up.

O.K. Say you pass that test?

Now, give her $500 for a new bat, after you let her hit you a couple thousand times (new barrel every couple thousand rounds) without flinching and making her miss your shoulder (you flinching & you missing the target).

firing off few rounds at year impressing folks at the rangeIt wouldn't impress me in the slightest. I shot them in competition many years ago.

It would pizz me off if I had paid good money to use the range to shoot groups & test handloads, and some fool was blowing me off the bench next door with a .338-.378 Magnum he couldn't hit the target berm with.

But that's just me.

rc

sage5907
March 6, 2012, 10:20 PM
"It would pizz me off if I had paid good money to use the range to shoot groups & test handloads, and some fool was blowing me off the bench next door with a .338-.378 Magnum he couldn't hit the target berm with."

Hey rcmodel, I also like a quality trip to the range and thats why I go to the range just after daylight. Most shooters are too lazy to get up early so there aren't many problems. I do remember one guy who was apparently shooting a highly prized rifle. I was shooting a black powder rifle and he was about 20 feet downwind. He complained that smoke from my shooting was getting on his rifle. I only saw him that one time. BW

xxxleafybugxxx
March 6, 2012, 10:29 PM
Why go little?
Get the .338 Lapua

Liberty1776
March 6, 2012, 10:30 PM
If you need it, you need it. I live in Minnesota but I've had a .375 H&H and two .458 Winchester Mags... Sometimes you just have to scratch that itch...

Kachok
March 6, 2012, 11:01 PM
The huge 338s lack any form of practical use for 99.9% of hunters so that leaves long range shooting, if you want to punch paper at 1,000yds skip all the hard kickers and get a 6.5-284 or 7mmWMS they are much more available well known for being world record accurate, and MUCH less expensive to shoot. If you want to go further then that skip all small calibers, and the 338s and get the 408 Cytech, everything else seems like a toy compared to .940 BC!! If you are just in love with the round, and want one no matter what, find someone who can reload your brass, $120 a box is STUPID HIGH, heck I'll reload them for half that price :D

TexasPatriot.308
March 6, 2012, 11:02 PM
I got a friend that brags about his 7mm ultra mag, somehow, always manages to miss his deer. pulled it !! scope must be off....etc. I have seen him shoot, he is usually flinching before the gun goes off....but he just had to have it let everyone know he got one. I stick to my .308s and 7mm-08s..all I need. and my trusty .22-250. I hit my targets.

Biggerhammer
March 6, 2012, 11:13 PM
What's not to like about it, it's....

Big
Flat shooting
Loud
Has heavy recoil
Burns powder by the UPS Truck full

It's perfect! Buy it, shoot it and enjoy it.

saturno_v
March 7, 2012, 12:22 AM
Why go little?
Get the .338 Lapua

The 338 Lapua is actually less powerful than the 338-378.....114 gr. H2O case capacity for the Lapua vs. 137 gr. H2O case capacity for the 338-378.

jerkface11
March 7, 2012, 12:27 AM
Didn't you do the same thread a couple years ago ?

saturno_v
March 7, 2012, 12:27 AM
It would pizz me off if I had paid good money to use the range to shoot groups & test handloads, and some fool was blowing me off the bench next door with a .338-.378 Magnum he couldn't hit the target berm with.


Of course I would try to hit the target....with practice.....:D

saturno_v
March 7, 2012, 12:28 AM
Didn't you do the same thread a couple years ago ?


Not exactly...3 years ago I was undecided between the 338-378 and the 338 Win Mag and I did end up getting the Win Mag (a Weatherby Vanguard).

But the itch for the big 338-378 is back......

GooseGestapo
March 7, 2012, 11:01 AM
Get a .338RemUltMag.
It gets 97-98% of the ballistics of the .338-378wby with only 40% of the expense. You can use the same bullets and probably the same powder to reload both the .338winmag and RUM, however, you won't need both..... (or the .338/378wby.

Personnaly, I'd recommend you start reloading for the .338winmag. It'll do 100% of what you'll use the .338/378 for but for less money.
The cost of reloading the .30/378 won't be but perhaps 3-5cent per round more than the .338winmag, once you aquire the brass. It's the brass for the .338/378 that you're paying ~$3.00 each for... But, these cases can be reloaded ~15 times, just like the .338winmag......

I bought a .300RUM from somewhat the same "itch". It was "cheap" ~$250.00 for a Savage M110. I bought some ammo deeply discounted at a Walmart ($8.50/20rds 180gr Nosler Partitions in Rem. factory) and one box of Remington w/200gr Swift A-frames came with gun. And, I bought a set of dies (Lee- $25.00, and 100nup cases for $48.00 (2005...). I also bought 16lbs of WC860 surplus powder for $50. The .300RUM uses 105.0gr with a 180gr bullet..... And bought 500 of those for $48.00).
I'm still reloading and shooting that 500 bullets and have most of the 16lbs of powder though I'm also feeding it to a .257wby.
Hence, you MUST reload if you're going to shoot that behemouth... But you WILL enjoy it if you get it. I enjoy "shooting" the .300, but "hunt" with the .257wby and "others". Everytime I've shot a deer with the .300RUM, it cuts my forehead from the recoil..... Hence, it only goes where I "KNOW" I'll need to shoot over 300yds....

But it WILL kick worse (the .338-378wby) than most anything you could buy in a shoulder fired rifle.... more than anything but a .378wby or a .460wby. There is a reason they come with a muzzle break...

dubbleA
March 7, 2012, 12:06 PM
Nothing in the post about hunting or justifing the ballistics for what they are other than "firing at stuff" and "firing off bullets at the blue yonder" . There are so many things pointing to "no".


I'm not interested in reloading

ammo availabilty and cost are big factors

What I would do if I get one?? Probably firing off few rounds at year impressing folks at the range with the boom


So why not go with the 50 BMG. Nothing screams "look at me" better at a local range.

All of this is sufficient to justify shelling out well north of $1000 for the rifle, excluding the appropriate glass?? What about $120 a box for the ammo

red flag when cost is brought up

mdauben
March 7, 2012, 12:16 PM
You obviously know all the draw-backs of this cartridge yet you still want to buy one, so...


GO BUY IT!!! :D


If you have both the money and intestinal fortitude for a gun in this chambering, there is no reason not to buy one just becase you will never have any real, practical use for it. I've got a couple of guns (not so extreme as your choice, perhaps) that I have not use for, other than the fun of making them go BANG!!! at the range.

saturno_v
March 7, 2012, 02:02 PM
You guys are doing a great job.....tortured by doubts.....on different note, I was thinking in the meantime about installing a brake on my 338 Win Mag....Weatherby would do the job for $160 (including a nice screw-in cap if you want to take the brake off)......should I do it?? The decrease in recoil is noticeable?? Any effect on accuracy???

LeonCarr
March 7, 2012, 02:10 PM
Heck you don't have to shoot one, just go buy a box of Weatherby Factory Ammo and the sticker shock/120 bucks to shell out should keep you from buying the rifle :).

Also, by the time you get proficient shooting it the barrel will be shot out. A barrel chambered for one of the ubermagnums has a useful accuracy life of around 1000-1500 rounds before the throat is worn out and needs set back and rechambering or rebarreling.

I would pass on it.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

killzone
March 7, 2012, 02:19 PM
Buy it since you can... 338 win should have prepared you to a point ( upper level recoil ) and you should notice respectable improvement on your groups at extended ranges.

Offfhand
March 7, 2012, 02:49 PM
I once had a .338/378, made by Champlin. I had it made for lion, but never hunted with it because of extractor problem. (Which you don't want when hunting African lion.) It was a lovely rifle and I don't remember recoil being that horrendous, especially compared to some of my other African rifles.
Champlin never resolved the extractor problem to my satisfaction so I traded it back for something else, but I still think the .338/378 would be a great lion stopper. If that's what you want it for.

sage5907
March 7, 2012, 04:42 PM
I know this guy that hunted whitetail deer with a 338/378. He was a long range affectionado and I used to give him a rough time about the number of cartridges he could load out of a pound of powder. With a 160 grain bullet he was getting 58 cartridges while I could load 122 with my 30-06.

Offhand, Champlin used to have a gunsmith with a firstname Bill that could fix any extractor. I can't believe they couldn't solve your problem. I had a primer burst on a pre 64 Model 70 and Bill took the extractor off, heated it up with a torch, bent it back into shape, hit the edge lightly with a file and I was back in operation. After watching that bit of brillience I learned how to fix my own extractor problems. BW

Old Dog Man
March 8, 2012, 12:27 AM
I built a 338/378 for a customer a few years back, he liked big recoiling rifles. Built it in a ruger #1 action. I shot it a couple of times from a bench my shoulder and right side of head have never forgiven me. His son-in law now ones the rifle, I don't think he likes his son-in-law very much. Al

chute2thrill
March 8, 2012, 01:12 AM
Don't buy it.. does that help?

Kachok
March 8, 2012, 07:29 PM
Next time I want to get kicked like that I'll just poke a rodeo bull with a sharp stick, just as painful and a heck of alot cheaper then a uber expensive rifle, and $120 a box ammo. When I want to fill the freezer I reach for my little 6.5x55, it kills tham just as dead just as qiuck as any 50BMG ever could, and ANY heathy adult (and most children) can handle that wimpy recoil.

Float Pilot
March 8, 2012, 08:32 PM
Had one for 6 months. Got it is part trade for a Jeep.
Just long enough to work up a bunch of hand-loads and knock half my tooth fillings loose.

TexasPatriot.308
March 8, 2012, 08:35 PM
why do so many people on this forum want "to get talked out of something" kinda like standing next to a fire and asking your buddy to talk you out of sticking your hand in it

Strongbad
March 8, 2012, 08:35 PM
I suggest you locate a .338-.378, buy a 20-round box of ammo, and fire all twenty rounds off the bench at one sitting.

If that doesn't cure you, nothing will.


It's not that bad. Factory Accumarks with the Accubrake are pretty mild, especially considering the round. Mine hasn't had a brake on it in years but I remember it being along the lines of a 300 Win Mag, maybe less. Very manageable. I got sick of the blast and had mine rebarreled without a brake. The recoil is substantially worse, but the noise redirection and blast are a lot better... mostly. lol Seems to me that a fellow member here referred to me as a masochist. <shrug>

Being a 338/378 owner, if you don't handload, unless you just have piles of money to burn (and it sounds like you might if you're willing to buy one and scope it and then buy ammo for it) I'd pass. If you're going to buy a toy, buy one that you'll use. :) Also if you want a long range toy, and you do have that kind of money I'd probably look at a TRG-42 in 338 Lapua instead. It'll be a better long range rig (because it's built for it), and it'll be even more visually impressive so your friends will still be envious. Oh and factory ammo is also stupid expensive so your wallet will still take a big hit, if that makes you feel better.

My $.02

xxxleafybugxxx
March 8, 2012, 08:36 PM
Saturn, based on fl lbs energy, the lapua is superior.
I agree, just go with a .50bmg. that will get peoples attention.

saturno_v
March 8, 2012, 08:46 PM
Saturn, based on fl lbs energy, the lapua is superior.


Not according to Hodgdon reloading data and Vihtavuori reloading data...the case capacity advantage of the 338-378 over the Lapua is significant.

Obviously if you compare a 338 Lapua rifle with a 30+" barrel with a standard Accumark with a 26" pipe it may be the case, but with the same barrel length the 338-378 has the edge....reloaders may still prefer the Lapua also because they do not have to deal with the belt....

X-Rap
March 8, 2012, 09:15 PM
I doubt I will ever get rid of mine, it is not to heavy nor is it that objectionable to shoot. I have 100 rds of brass and shoot 200 gr Ballistic tips for hunting. A guy gave me a couple hundred 300 gr Matchkings that I need to try out.
Reading all these posts makes one think that the gun is some kind of Boogy man or something. Get it, I doubt you will be disappointed. The difference between it and the Lapua to me is that the Weatherby is still a hunting sized rifle and I can pack mine all day long, I pity those Snipers in Afghanistan who have to pack those big heavy Lapuas up those hills, both rounds are more accurate than the 50's from what I am told.

Kachok
March 8, 2012, 10:12 PM
For what it is worth, if I were ever to loose my mind and get a 338 larger then the win mag, I would get the Lapua. Standard loads with 250gr are 3,000 and 3,060fps respectivly, for the only 60fps difference I would side with the smaller Lapua burning alot less powder and having the international appeal of being an accepted military cartrage.

lefteyedom
March 9, 2012, 03:11 AM
Impulse control is the heart of the problem, not the pros or cons of the 338/378.

I have lusted for a Ruger #1B in 300 Weatherby for over 25 years now. I held one at the Rod and Gun Club at Bitburg AB in Germany an the want has never left me. Never mind I have a 300 Win Mag/338Win mag switch barrel Savage 116 at is more accurate than I am. Maybe this is the year...

Beware, like dating the homecoming queen, it is often better to be seen with her, than to be with her.

benderx4
March 9, 2012, 07:29 AM
So why not go with the 50 BMG. Nothing screams "look at me" better at a local range.

Exactly. Using your logic, I think this is your smartest alternative. For me, when I got the big caliber itch, I found a sweet 1895 in 45-70 - much less expensive for the rifle itself and the ammo than what you're contemplating. Good luck and happy shooting!

cougar1717
March 9, 2012, 03:12 PM
Please talk me away from it......

Well, if you're not conviced by the recoil or the ammo cost, the how about this:

Exhibit self control and don't give in to your feelings just because you feel like buying something else. Save the cash burning a hole in your pocket - or use it for something charitable - something that will have a positive impact on someone else's life. After all, if we're honest with ourselves, buying this gun or any other gun, while fun, won't ultimately satisfy. Placing our hope and happiness in physical objects is always a let down when they do not ultimately give happiness. Objects, while helpful, do not have the ability to give the peace of contentment. At some point, the new-ness wears off and what we already have is not appreciated, but taken for granted. A new rifle won't make us into the person we wish we were. We are who we are whether we have that object or not. -------- How about that? Any better?

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