.357 magnum rifle for deer?


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Medinac
March 7, 2012, 01:10 AM
Can I use my marlin 94c for deer? I live in Indiana and we are only allowed to use rifles chambered in pistol cartridges so I'm kind of limited on my options. Almost all of my shots are within 100 yards because of all the hills around here so range isn't that far. Will a stout .357 load do the job or should I invest in a .44 or .45 long colt? Thanks.

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paintballdude902
March 7, 2012, 01:12 AM
go for it. just take the time to learn your rifle and learn how it shoots.

i use a .44 mag for black bears so a .357 for medium deer if perfectly fine.

nyresq
March 7, 2012, 01:27 AM
i have taken a white tail with a 16" winchester 94, and have seen a few more taken by friends with similar rifles in 357 as well. If you stay with a hundred yards and can pick your shots a 357 mag will do the job on medium sized deer.

If you handload, your range and shots can open up a bit, but if you are stuck with factory ammo, not many loads are made for hunting from rifles. Most are made for 6" barrels and lose a lot of potential when shooting out of something longer like a 16" or 20" barrel.

If you think you may be faced with some longer shots or you may not have time to pick the best shot, then step up to a 44 mag. The recoil isn't much worse, but it gives you better selection when it comes to hunting loads and more range.

shiftyer1
March 7, 2012, 01:29 AM
I sometimes use mine for that purpose, although my dog weighs more than the deer around here. I keep my shots under 75 yards normally but I have taken 1 shot at around 115 or so. It worked fine.

I don't know but I assume a .44 would do it just a little better? I don't yet own one.

Tex4426
March 7, 2012, 01:55 AM
357 should be ok out to 100..I use. 44 pistols and I to live in Indiana...my girlfriend uses a. 44 mag handi rifle...it has 200 yrd potential but best suited at 150 and under...I suggest a 44 but 357 is adequate

Tex4426
March 7, 2012, 01:56 AM
I also suggest hornady lever evelution...Theyve worked good on every gun I've shot them out of and they are extremely deadly...haven't lost a deer yet

Art Eatman
March 7, 2012, 09:39 AM
Based on years of comments in this forum, it seems reasonable to call it a 100-yard deer killer.

TNboy
March 7, 2012, 10:45 AM
No it will not work. I will PM you my address and you can send that useless rifle to me for disposal. Just kidding. I hunted with a .357 Marlin this past season and I really enjoyed hunting with that gun. It was very light and short and easy to swing around and carry around all day. That one will be seeing a lot more time in the deer woods next year.

MCgunner
March 7, 2012, 11:02 AM
I load a 165 grain SWC Keith profile gas checked to near 1900 fps over 16.8 grains of Lil Gun from my 20" barrel Rossi 92. It shoots about 4 MOA. I figure it's as good as any .30-30 inside 100 yards. 100 yards is an effective limit on large hogs and deer. .357 is more akin to .30-30 than the .357 revolver when fired from long barrels. Sure, one can get 2100 fps from a 170 grain .30-30, but factory ammo in the caliber is usually sub 2000 fps. Me, I'll take on ANYTHING with the .357 carbine to 100 yards I'd take on with a .30-30. I don't need no stinkin' .44 :D

What I really like about the gun is its versatility. With a 105 grain SWC over 2.3 grains of B'Eye, I get 900 fps and it's 1.5" at 50 yards accurate with that load. I have not hunted squirrel with it, YET, but it certainly would make a good small game gun with that load, anything a .22 could do.

stxhunter
March 7, 2012, 12:50 PM
A buddy of mine used a 357 mag rifle for a deer for quite a while and was very successful. It makes a very nice lightweight package when covering long distances. The new Hornady "lever evolution" rounds have really given 357 hunters an edge over the rounds previously used.

fallout mike
March 7, 2012, 01:10 PM
Good stuff fellas. I'm debating a handi myself, between .357, .44, .45 colt, a.d. id like to find out how much recoil the .500 has.

MCgunner
March 7, 2012, 01:11 PM
A buddy of mine used a 357 mag rifle for a deer for quite a while and was very successful. It makes a very nice lightweight package when covering long distances. The new Hornady "lever evolution" rounds have really given 357 hunters an edge over the rounds previously used.

How's that? They give you MAYBE 50 yards more? Hell, if I need 150 yards, I have 150 yards plus guns, including one handgun that's lighter and more compact than even my Rossi 92. :D But, if they give you any edge at all and all you hunt with is a .357, hey, go for it! I like to handload, though.

Just wonder how much extra a pointy bullet could possibly give this caliber, though. It only gives .30-30 about a hundred extra yards, but that can be significant. I wouldn't get excited over 50 yards for my .357, though, as I don't have a scope on it and with irons, I don't really wanna shoot past 100 anyway. :D My eyes, you see, are aging.

stxhunter
March 7, 2012, 04:52 PM
How's that? They give you MAYBE 50 yards more? Hell, if I need 150 yards, I have 150 yards plus guns, including one handgun that's lighter and more compact than even my Rossi 92. :D But, if they give you any edge at all and all you hunt with is a .357, hey, go for it! I like to handload, though.

True, not much more effective. The 357 doesn't get turned into a 300win mag or anything but if you would consider the 357 to be a 100yrd gun with normal ammo I would say the 50% gain you get is still a pretty substantial gain for this round.

R.W.Dale
March 7, 2012, 05:03 PM
A buddy of mine used a 357 mag rifle for a deer for quite a while and was very successful. It makes a very nice lightweight package when covering long distances. The new Hornady "lever evolution" rounds have really given 357 hunters an edge over the rounds previously used.

You guys do realize that the 140g leverevolution rounds actually have a LOWER BC than the 158g XTP

Can you say marketing hype.

I have a box of these that I'll Chronograph and report on later.

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MCgunner
March 7, 2012, 05:48 PM
You guys do realize that the 140g leverevolution rounds actually have a LOWER BC than the 158g XTP

Can you say marketing hype.

I have a box of these that I'll Chronograph and report on later.

Thanks, confirms my suspicions. I was thinkin' such a short bullet couldn't possibly gain much BC over a flat point. Only the ogive is different and most of the drag is caused by the flat base and turbulence behind it. That's why boat tails work so well, but there's no room for boat tails on a pistol bullet.

I'll stick with my hand cast handloads. :D

zxcvbob
March 7, 2012, 05:55 PM
From a carbine, .357 Magnum should do everything a .30-30 does except reach as far.

Lee's 158 grain "2R" bullet is interesting for its good BC, but I don't know how well a round-nosed lead bullet kills. Probably better to stick with RNFP, SWC, or heavy JHP's.

MCgunner
March 7, 2012, 06:05 PM
I cast Lee's 358158GC. It actually weighs 165 grains with gas check installed. The flat is wide, Keith style, and the gas check eliminates leading right up to 1900 fps. It leaves an impressive wound channel at 80 yards, can tell ya that, DRT with a lung shot.

Alternative would be Hornady XTP JHP in 158 or 180. You can REALLY send a 158 with Lil Gun with a 20" barrel. :D Check out Buffalo Bore's stuff.

http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=102

Make special note of the Marlin 1894, 18.5 inch barrel velocities. Item 19C/20, supercedes 30-30 energies!!!

1. 3 inch S&W J frame

a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard cast LFN = 1302 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC (jacketed hollow cavity) = 1299 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1398 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1476 fps

2. 4 inch S&W L frame Mt. Gun

a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard cast LFN = 1375 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr JHC = 1411 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1485 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1603 fps

3. 5 inch S&W model 27

a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard Cast =1398 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC = 1380 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1457 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1543 fps

4. 6 inch Ruger GP 100

a. Item 19D/20-125gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1707 fps

5. 18.5 inch Marlin 1894

a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard Cast = 1851 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC = 1860 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 2153 fps---- Can you believe this?!!!
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 2298 fps---- Or this?!!!

dprice3844444
March 7, 2012, 06:22 PM
get a 45/70. they make pistols for that,too

Zeke/PA
March 7, 2012, 07:05 PM
Remember ,the .357 AIN'T a high powered round.
In my opinion a 50 yard thing at BEST.
Shot Placement , Shot Placement, Shot Placement.

dprice3844444
March 7, 2012, 07:34 PM
http://www.magnumresearch.com/Expand.asp?ProductCode=BFR30-30

R.W.Dale
March 7, 2012, 07:44 PM
http://www.magnumresearch.com/Expand.asp?ProductCode=BFR30-30

Had one, a friend still owns it. An interesting range piece with no real application afield since it weighs as much as many carbines.

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stxhunter
March 7, 2012, 07:55 PM
You guys do realize that the 140g leverevolution rounds actually have a LOWER BC than the 158g XTP

Can you say marketing hype.

I have a box of these that I'll Chronograph and report on later.

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Very interesting indeed!

MCgunner
March 7, 2012, 07:56 PM
A .357 carbine can EASILY kill deer and hogs to 100 yards. The .357 makes a decent brush rifle, the .45/70 makes a STUPID pistol. If you need a .45/70, hell, get a 600 nitro express, they make handguns for that, too. :rolleyes:

I have a .30-30 contender, 2x scope, 12" hunter barrel. I don't own a .30-30 rifle, anymore. No real need for one. I have the .357 for lever guns and if I need reach, I have a .308 Winchester chambered Remington stainless M7 that's just as handy and a lot more powerful and accurate. I have a couple of other rifles, too, 7 mag, .257 Roberts, and I love my .50 caliber front loaders. The little Rossi carbine has its uses, though, fits in my scabbard on the bike or on my pack, good squirrel rifle, good deer/hog rifle, very versatile. When I get moved to the hill country (God, I hope soon!), get my land up there, the .357 is probably going to be a ranch rifle. I have an SKS, actually 2, for a truck gun, though. It's sort of a semi-auto .30-30 and it's pretty short, if heavy. That .357 is light and handy. :D

MCgunner
March 7, 2012, 08:06 PM
Oh, if you're all worried about .357 or .44 mag not being enough and want a light, handy rifle, Rossi offers the 92 in .454 Casull. That's a handgun round that'll do about anything from a rifle that the .45/70 will do.

fluffi
March 7, 2012, 08:06 PM
Fine for deer.MCGunners chart says it all.A 357 out of a rifle barrel is a whole new animal.It pushes a 158 g. bullet around 2100 fps.A 3030 pushes a 150 g. bullet about
2300 fps.The rifle bullet will usually perform a little better in animals.

newfalguy101
March 7, 2012, 08:08 PM
Check your deer hunting regs just to be sure its legal.

Its NOT legal in Nebraska, .357 Mag handguns are legal,but, not rifles

Lon371
March 7, 2012, 08:33 PM
357 mag is quite legal and effective in Indiana. If you want the most out of it, you should reload it. Just for the record we have no Pistol cartridge rule anymore. We can now use any round .357 and up with a case length of up to 1.8"

If you dig around the web you will find a boat load of new wildcats this year.

Myself I use a .357 maximum and soon a .445 super mag in H&R. Also am building a short .358 winchester on a H&R platform. Yes it is DNR approved.

Lonny

MCgunner
March 7, 2012, 08:52 PM
Jeez, these states do have some witless bureaucrats in their DNRs. :rolleyes:

R.W.Dale
March 7, 2012, 09:12 PM
Jeez, these states do have some witless bureaucrats in their DNRs. :rolleyes:

I got one better than that. For coyote or hogs during furbearer season I can use a 30-378 weatherby magnum. But a 357 carbine is forbidden because its larger than 30caliber.

Unless you're hunting a non AGFC owned WMA. Then .22 magnum is the biggest you can use.

Provided it has a 4" bbl 25acp is a legal deer caliber in AR


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IndispensableDestiny
March 7, 2012, 09:30 PM
I have killed deer with my 1894C using the Buffalo Bore 158 grain JHP at 40 to 60 yards. I chronographed the round and got about 1975 fps, not what they advertise. The bullet appears to be a Gold Dot and does a lot of damage to a white tail.

brnmuenchow
March 8, 2012, 01:07 PM
Remember ,the .357 AIN'T a high powered round.
In my opinion a 50 yard thing at BEST.
Shot Placement , Shot Placement, Shot Placement.

It's High Powered enough for deer hunting and self defense for shure. Accuracy is good beyond 50yds. with a good rifle, I have a Colt "Python" 6" barrel that shoots deadly accurate at 50 yds. As with any shot I do agree: "Shot Placement , Shot Placement, Shot Placement".

wildchild2010
March 8, 2012, 09:48 PM
Want to read about huntin with a .357 Lever rifle goggle Jerry Lester, he has many great post across the web. He hunted big game and small game and feed his family.

2'Bucks'11
March 9, 2012, 12:49 AM
Well, Just for argument sake I used A HIGH POINT .40 S&W and dropped a doe with 185gr JHP @ 75 yards. ( I wanted to see IF it would work.) Anything longer than that and I go to 30-06.

Kachok
March 9, 2012, 03:39 AM
357s are a marginal choice at best for deer. I would personaly MUCH rather have a 44 mag or 454 carbine when a big buck shows up, but I don't like tracking anything I shot, so take that for what it's worth.

MCgunner
March 10, 2012, 10:24 AM
357s are a marginal choice at best for deer. I would personaly MUCH rather have a 44 mag or 454 carbine when a big buck shows up, but I don't like tracking anything I shot, so take that for what it's worth.

You got 1000 lb deer or something or do they were kevlar there? In the late 19th century, many a head of game fell to a black powder loaded .44-40, ya know. That's a pop gun compared to the .357 in the same rifle.

I've chronographed my load (165 SWC at just under 1900 fps) and run the numbers on an exterior ballistics program. It's pushing over 700 ft lbs at 100 yards. Now, that's off from the .30-30 due to poor BC, but it's still as much as my 4" barreled .357 revolver makes at the muzzle. So, you're telling me if I walked up to a deer. put the muzzle of my revolver on his shoulder, and fired, I couldn't possible kill the animal? :rolleyes:

None of the few deer and hogs I've taken with a 6.5" Blackhawk and the 20" Rossi 92 carbine have gone more than 25 yards after the shot. One doe was shot at 80 yards with the carbine. Granted, it's only 3 deer and 2 hogs, not a large sample size, but the .357 did the job.

Kachok
March 10, 2012, 11:33 AM
Minimum recomended wound profile on deer sized game is 1/2"x12" and the 357 will only do that with some bullets and only within close range, the 44 mag will do that easly at any speed in which it will expand, I stand by my statement, the 357 is a functional yet marginal deer round, as is the 10mm, 223, 22-250, 45ACP, and the 45 LC at wimpy factory pressures.

T.R.
March 10, 2012, 12:04 PM
This South African impala didn't get away. 357MAG is a keeper!

TR

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/rushmoreman/357impala.jpg

wildchild2010
March 10, 2012, 02:03 PM
This South African impala didn't get away. 357MAG is a keeper!

TR

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/rushmoreman/357impala.jpg
Nice shot, using a cast bullets, jacketed bullet? The ole .357 lever will kill anything in the -48.

R.W.Dale
March 10, 2012, 02:17 PM
Minimum recomended wound profile on deer sized game is 1/2"x12" and the 357 will only do that with some bullets and only within close range, the 44 mag will do that easly at any speed in which it will expand, I stand by my statement, the 357 is a functional yet marginal deer round, as is the 10mm, 223, 22-250, 45ACP, and the 45 LC at wimpy factory pressures.

Recommended by whom exactly?

Go peddle your book>magazine>interweb learned field experience elsewhere. The grownups with actual FEILD experience are talking here.

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Kachok
March 10, 2012, 02:37 PM
Feild experence? You mean like the deer I have seen hit and run off to die God only knows where because some @$$#0!& decided he wanted to shoot one with his 1911? You mean like that kind of feild experence? Yeah got plenty of that. Again the 357 is marginal but functional. What does that mean, it means that it will do the job IF you can place it exactly where it needs to go, your range is within the speed limits for proper expansion, and you are not shooting a marginal angle like a sharp raking shot. If you can do all of that you would be fine with a 357, if you cannot you have no buisness wounding countless deer making stupid excuses like one dumkove I know all too well. I you want to shoot one high shoulder at 250yds skip the 357 and get an 06, but within archer range (and a little further) and angles the 357 will kill them just as dead as a 50BMG.

wyohome
March 10, 2012, 03:33 PM
.357 Mag is not legal for deer in Wyoming.

2'Bucks'11
March 10, 2012, 03:42 PM
I would have to agree the .357 Carbine/ lever action will be plenty of power to kill a deer. If your using muzzle velocity on the box, it will be wrong for a carbine. The longer barrel creates higher pressure and higher velocity, than the pistol will generate. Now if some one is hunting deer with a 1911 .45 acp means 5" barrel or less... Not Legal to do in my state for a reason. In a carbine, if my 40 S&W can and will do it; a .357 mag most defiantly will. I would also recommend a sold tip or lead head, cause my carbine can shred the JHP rounds. This can be problematic; (1) it wasted a lot of meat due to blood shot and lead issues, and (2) they can break apart at closer ranges, creating a possibly of a smaller than desired wound channel. I have not experienced the latter, but I have been warned by many a gunsmith of that possibly. I can testify to the first one, I lost almost a whole quarter to lead and blood shot.

Missionary
March 10, 2012, 03:49 PM
Greetings
If that is what you have then you have enough. I would load at least a 180 grainer. That weight will drive through most corn crunchers leaving a good trail in red to follow up. There is no reason you cannot get 1650 fps with a powder like 110 or 296 and you do not need that much. The old 38-40 round was well known as a good deer round and it was doing good to get a 180 grainer going 1450 fps.
If the state of ILL. ever gets pistol caliber rifles approved I would not hessitate to use my 357 Marlin... well I would probably use the 41 mag first.
Mike in Peru
Mike In Peru

diesel
March 10, 2012, 04:01 PM
i used to live in ohio the land of shotgun hunting.
no hipowered rifles ,but you could use a pistol .357cal or larger straight wall cartridge only.
i purchased a smith mod 29 .44 mag with 8 3/8 barrel .
i killed 1 deer with it at about 60yds.
even for a revolver it had plenty of punch with rem 240gr semi jacketed hp.

Kachok
March 10, 2012, 04:03 PM
I'll tell you something funny, one of the old timers I hunt with swears the .30 carbine is the best little deer gun on the planet. Now most states won't even allow 30 carbines to be used, but for him it was perfect, as many times as I have been hunting with him I have never seen him get any less then a perfect shot,(even freehand at range!) and he has a sixth sence when tracking game he has shot. We have a very different idea of perfect but it works for him.

diesel
March 10, 2012, 04:27 PM
i have always wanted a m1 carbine. i live in kentucky now and you can hunt with any center fire rifle, i dont agree with taking deer with a 223 but alot of people do it here. i my self use a rem700 vtr chambered in.308 win.
ist the perfect deer gun for me

Kachok
March 10, 2012, 04:47 PM
Yeah I played with the 308, 7mm Rem Mag, and 270 win/WSM before I got my 6.5x55 and found my perfect deer gun, deadly accurate, horrific terminal results, effective range far further then I could ever shoot, and recoil so light small children can shoot it. Best of all no tracking, none, nadda, zero, zilch they are all dead right there or within a few feet. Honestly what more could you ever ask for?

diesel
March 10, 2012, 04:51 PM
my brother has a old ruger .44mag carbine, it was made in 76
kinda looks like a 10/22 loads from the bottom into a tube.
he swears by that gun for deer. its semi auto and pretty acurate

Kachok
March 10, 2012, 04:54 PM
I have actualy been looking for one of those, they are a great little brush gun. I have hunted a few places where even a compact bolt gun is a pain in the butt to tote because the brush is just that thick, some places I have to crawl through. Gatta love Florida hunting :D

MCgunner
March 10, 2012, 04:56 PM
longer barrel creates higher pressure

Well, not exactly. The longer barrel doesn't create higher pressure, but it utilizes more of the pressure by having the longer barrel, less wasted pressure by that slow burn powder that would have been flash/bang in a handgun. The magnum revolver calibers tend to shoot 3-400 fps faster in a rifle than a typical 6" revolver for this reason, not higher pressures. Auto pistol cartridges don't gain much by longer barrels as they are loaded with much faster burning powders.

diesel
March 10, 2012, 05:00 PM
i have a question if you dont mind, im new to this whole forum thing
i see that you have alot of posts, i started a thread on the centurion 39 ak47
if someone posts a reply wile im on here will i get some kind of alert or message
thanks Don

MCgunner
March 10, 2012, 05:02 PM
Nope......

Water-Man
March 10, 2012, 05:03 PM
I've taken three deer using a Puma M92 .38/.357 20" Octagon barrel. The ammo I used was Buffalo Bore 180gr. LFN-GC. All shots were within seventy five yards.

diesel
March 10, 2012, 05:07 PM
florida i went to escambia high in pensacola my dad lived there.
its pretty thick here in ky as well,but i hunt private land 500acre cattle farm
opening day sat nov 12 2011 i killed a small 10pt with my .308

diesel
March 10, 2012, 05:16 PM
so i should just keep checking it, my thread that is
a fellow member ask me a question regarding my post to my ak and im waiting to hear from him again thanks Don

MCgunner
March 10, 2012, 05:34 PM
so i should just keep checking it, my thread that is

Yes.

zxcvbob
March 10, 2012, 06:41 PM
Diesel, You can update your subscription to the thread to have an email sent to you when somebody replies.

diesel
March 10, 2012, 07:45 PM
thanks for the info
diesel

2'Bucks'11
March 11, 2012, 03:08 AM
ty MCGunner, Then why does the carbine penetrate deeper? (I mean by a lot.) or if you could suggest a different type of pen. test? I'm always looking for new trials and test for firearms.

Kachok
March 11, 2012, 04:10 AM
Unless you are shooting non-expanding bullets they will penatrate LESS at carbine speeds then handgun speeds. This is normal of cup and core construction, the excess speed makes for larger expansion and more fragmentation reducing penatration and making a wider rather then deeper wound canal. The only exceptions to this are bullets with a very robust construction such as the Nosler Partition, Barns TSX, and Swift A-Frame. That has been tested many times before. If your carbine was punching deeper I would doubt the accuracy of your test media, HPs respond very differently to fliud based media then sand or phonebooks.

wyohome
March 11, 2012, 07:52 AM
Yeah I played with the 308, 7mm Rem Mag, and 270 win/WSM before I got my 6.5x55
You have a 6.5x55? First I have heard about it. :D

Kachok
March 11, 2012, 07:03 PM
Yeah I really like my Sweed, as far as ultra light recoil hunting calibers go it is without equal, other then it's ballistic twins of course (260Rem, 6.5x47, 6.5 Creedmore) A couple years ago I did a detailed comparison of light kicking hunting calibers and the remarkable ballistics of the 6.5s put them well ahead of the pack. They also have the advantage of the highest SD bullets of the small caliber world giving them killing power far beyond what their recoil would tell tell you. Pistol cartrages can also posess that high level penatration with Keith style hardcast, not expending any energy on expansion means more energy on target, shame they are not legal to hunt with here. I would not hesetate for a second to use a Keith style 44 mag on any deer or hog we have around here, only issue is to make sure you hit both lungs directly since hardcast don't make a wide wound canal so little to no remote damage unlike my ballistic tips that send fragments through the entire chest cavity.

R.W.Dale
March 11, 2012, 07:06 PM
You have a 6.5x55? First I have heard about it. :D

Gawd! Why did you have to get him started ;)

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2'Bucks'11
March 12, 2012, 03:58 AM
Yeah when I was testing, I was using semi-jacketed wad cutters. I was going to use them for hunting deer because I was worried of HP fragmentation in the meat... I just had to switch to the hp at the last min availability thing. Bullets on Back order don't kill deer. I'm still tiring to rap my head around the physics of the carbine as it is new (less than a year) and unfamiliar (don't have drop, pen, ect... memorized yet) firearm to me. As I am up in a heavy rifle area of the state (ie anything non-rim fire and bigger than .22).

MCgunner
March 12, 2012, 01:10 PM
ty MCGunner, Then why does the carbine penetrate deeper? (I mean by a lot.) or if you could suggest a different type of pen. test? I'm always looking for new trials and test for firearms.

Uh? Momentum. A bullet traveling 400 fps faster not only has more energy, it has more momentum, too. I use a good flat point Keith style 165 grain SWC, non expanding. Hornady XTP is a good JHP design to use, especially in 180 grain, but I prefer my own cast SWCs. They penetrated a doe all they way through at 80 yards and left a 3" diameter path of tissue destruction through the lungs. She went about 20 yards and keeled over. There was a huge blood pool on the ground behind where she stood when she was hit.

I've shot a couple of hogs with my Blackhawk and this same load, 14.5 grains 2400 under that Lee mold cast bullet. I got complete penetration from a HANDGUN on a 200 lb hog, so at rifle velocities, I don't see a penetration problem.

Don't bother with hollow points, not necessary. I prefer Keith style SWC bullets from handgun OR rifle for hunting. Buffalo Bore has a selection if you don't handload.

Kachok
March 12, 2012, 01:31 PM
Nice thing about heavy hardcast at pistol cartrage speeds is that meat damage is not an issue at all unless you strike a heavy bone directly and make a fragmentation gernade out of it. Genral rule is that under 1800fps you can eat right up to the hole. Penatration is the strongsuit of hardcast, I HIGHLY doubt you will have any issue with that unless you are trying to shoot through three deer lengthwise, 147gr Keith style hardcast out of my 9mm pistol are rated at 40" of BG penatration, a 180gr (or 215gr) bullet of nearly identical caliber with twice the energy would pass through anything shy of a trophy brown bear no doubt about it. Just remember as I said before, while very deep and streight the would tract from a SWC tends to be rather narrow, so the pie plate theory does not apply, gatta hit vitals directly for lightning quick kills. Thats OK though, lungs are a nice sized target.

2'Bucks'11
March 12, 2012, 02:21 PM
TY all

Magwa45
March 15, 2012, 10:26 AM
There is no doubt that a .357 Magnum carbine such as the Marlin 1894C is a good deer cartridge out to 100 yds. This is often discussed in depth on the Marlin Owners site, complete with recommendations for the best boolits and powders. It is often said to rival the 30-30 at such short ranges. But that does not matter here in the People's Republic of Maryland, where a deer hunting cartridge has to develop "muzzle energy of at least 1200 foot pounds." So you can also forget about those big bore air rifles as well.

MCgunner
March 15, 2012, 11:41 AM
Actually, the .357 in a rifle DOES run over 1200 ft lbs from a 20" barrel. I get near 1300 ft lbs from my 165 grain cast SWC. Check energies for the buffalo bore loads.

303tom
March 15, 2012, 11:59 PM
If you are close enough..............

tacdad
March 16, 2012, 10:28 AM
When I was a kid we lived in New York when it was shotgun or pistol only. My Dad hunted with a TC Contender chambered in 35 Rem. and also one in 30-30. He hand loaded for the 30-30 nosler ballistic tips and killed deer out to 150 yards. He never lost one either. I would recomend a TC Encore pistol or an older contender chambered in a rifle caliber. You can get them in 308 with a long barrel and recoil wouldn't be to bad.

MrDig
March 16, 2012, 12:14 PM
It is not so much the Rifle and the round, as it is the Shooter. How confident are you in your shot placement? How well do you know the limitations of the rifle and the rounds?
I would say your 1894c is quite capable of taking deer, specifically in the ranges under 100 yards. Make certain you shoot it consistently at 100 yards so you can take that shot confidently.

MCgunner
March 18, 2012, 03:35 PM
When I was a kid we lived in New York when it was shotgun or pistol only. My Dad hunted with a TC Contender chambered in 35 Rem. and also one in 30-30. He hand loaded for the 30-30 nosler ballistic tips and killed deer out to 150 yards. He never lost one either. I would recomend a TC Encore pistol or an older contender chambered in a rifle caliber. You can get them in 308 with a long barrel and recoil wouldn't be to bad.

And, this relates to the .357 Magnum in a rifle...HOW? I have a .30-30 Contender that's taken 5 deer, but this thread is about the .357 in a RIFLE...or at least i thought it was.

nyresq
March 18, 2012, 07:27 PM
Some one has a little touch of A.D.D.! Try to focus here the OP was asking about the 357 mag used in a rifle. Yes, there are a ton of different calibers in TC contenders and lots of rifles chambered in 30-30. But the OP wanted info about using 357s in rifles on deer, which it does great inside of 100 yards.

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