"with one bystander injured"

So you see, even the cops miss sometimes....so much for the anti's views that the cops are infallible when it comes to hitting your target.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57392740/deputy-2-others-shot-outside-okla-courthouse/?tag=cbsContent;cbsCarousel

So if trained experts sometimes miss, you're using this incident as a reason why lesser-trained people should be allowed to carry?

Did you miss this part?

"According to CBS affiliate KOTV Tulsa, deputies say it was uncertain whether the bystander was hit by the gunman or the authorities."

This happened less than 3 blocks from where i work.If it were to have happened 2 hours earlier there would have been alot more bystanders accidentally shot.Very heavy populated area around noon.Very happy it wasn't worse than it was.

So if trained experts sometimes miss, you're using this incident as a reason why lesser-trained people should be allowed to carry?

I would hardly call police officers "trained experts"....

The average citizen that practices once or twice a month will be a better shot...

So if trained experts sometimes miss, you're using this incident as a reason why lesser-trained people should be allowed to carry?<br />
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I would hardly call police officers "trained experts"....<br />
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The average citizen that practices once or twice a month will be a better shot...

I have to agree based on my limited exposure anyway. Now I know there are excellent shooting LEOs out there, but from what I've seem at the ranges I visit they average 6 to 8 inch groups at 7 yards. But hey, that's why we carry ourselves - I feel better knowing that I provide my family's protection.

Where in the article does it state the bystander was shot by a LEO?

The brother of the perp was killed by cops some time ago.

I would hardly call police officers "trained experts"....

The average citizen that practices once or twice a month will be a better shot...

That was my point.

That was my point.

Yes, but I was not responding to your post. I was responding to this one (that I quoted in my first post)

So if trained experts sometimes miss, you're using this incident as a reason why lesser-trained people should be allowed to carry?

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That was my point.
Yes, but I was not responding to your post. I was responding to this one (that I quoted in my first post)

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So if trained experts sometimes miss, you're using this incident as a reason why lesser-trained people should be allowed to carry?

And I in turn was replying to this:

So if trained experts sometimes miss, you're using this incident as a reason why lesser-trained people should be allowed to carry?

So if trained experts sometimes miss, you're using this incident as a reason why lesser-trained people should be allowed to carry?
Well, then, how about this:

http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/6.0/Gun-Facts-v6.0-screen.pdf

Page 20:

Fact: 11% of police shootings kill an innocent person - about 2% of shootings by citizens
kill an innocent person.

I would hardly call police officers "trained experts"....

The average citizen that practices once or twice a month will be a better shot...
Pretty much true story. Back some days ago and for long time it was like 60 rounds a year tops. Blouse those bloomers!

So if trained experts sometimes miss, you're using this incident as a reason why lesser-trained people should be allowed to carry?
You actually think cops are "experts" with firearms? Seriously?

I am no expert, and have out shot many a LEO on the local IDPA course.

Where I lived growing there was a small slauhter house across the street.

Every couple years a steer would get out and there would be a half dozen 'black/white car cowboys' show up. Once they decided to shoot the critter. I believe it had 14 bullets in it. I dont recall exactly how it died. Perhaps from massive bleeding. The butchers laughed when they finally got it back and tried to salvage any of it.

I know a lawyer who is involved in a lawsuit where two city policemen shot a "vicious" dog in his owners yard and winged a kid next door. Both the dog owner and the kids parents are suing.

this has nothing to do with "antis'" views...

this has nothing to do with "antis'" views... That was my first thought too.

this has nothing to do with "antis'" views...

Ever heard the line "only trained police officers should have guns"?

Ok...