Speer Blue Shotshell Capsule Loads .38 Special


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ryan3465
March 7, 2012, 10:48 PM
Hello All,

I was given about 50 of those Speer shotshell capsules for .38 spl/357 magnum that you fill up with a small # shot and then load into the .38 special case as a snakeshot type load. I've never had any experience with these and I can't seem to find much in the way of data relating to the loading procedures for them, so could anyone here enlighten me? How do you go about determining the charge weight, seating depth, etc. What size shot do you use to put in the capsule? I know these rounds will have limited practicality, I'm just interested in doing something a little different at the range next time. Thanks for any advice you can give!

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Encoreman
March 7, 2012, 11:56 PM
IIRC my speer reloading book has info on loading them. I will check and let you know. I load .357 cases with about 4 grains of bullseye and use homemade wads and a bit of #8 shot and wad on top and either drip wax or use hot glue. You can shoot in .38 and .357 because with no bullet it isn't too long for the .38

Encoreman
March 8, 2012, 12:10 AM
Ryan my speer #12 book says to use #9 shot and 5.5 gr of Unique or 4.5 gr Bullseye. It says to use a flat faced seater plug and a length of 1.500". It also says to use a moderate crimp, be careful as to not break the plastic cap. I looked at my homemade brew and I used 5.8 gr of bullseye and 88 gr of #8 shot. It is a little stouter than the factory shotshells you can purchase. Hope this helps. Mac

mcofboise
March 8, 2012, 12:17 AM
The box they came in has the pertinent load data printed on it. If the box is gone, the Speer manual recommends #9 shot, loaded to an overall length of 1.50 inches. Recommended charges are:
630 9.0 gr. (this load with CCI Magnum Primer, all others standard)
Unique 5.5
231 5.0
Bullseye 4.5
700X 4.5
HP38 4.5

I've used them for years in .38/357 and .44 Mag, and I use the factory .45 ACP rounds. They are all very effective on Idaho rattlesnakes. I've always used the Unique load... it claims the highest velocity @ 1111 from a 6 inch gun. Enjoy!

mike

ryan3465
March 8, 2012, 02:02 AM
Thanks everyone! You've really shed some light on the subject for me. Now I'll just have to convince my fiance that i "just can't do without only one more reloading manual. :x Thanks again everyone!

35 Whelen
March 8, 2012, 04:26 AM
My older Speer manual states that the lighter the load, the better the patterns, suggesting a 5% - 8% reduction.

35W

Beat-tu
March 8, 2012, 08:46 AM
Thanks everyone! You've really shed some light on the subject for me. Now I'll just have to convince my fiance that i "just can't do without only one more reloading manual. :x Thanks again everyone!
you might consider subscription to loaddata.com. It has 5 loads for the Speer shotshell (from Speer Manual #13).

Tom

rg1
March 8, 2012, 02:50 PM
I've used 7 1/2 and #8 shot in Speer shotshell capsules with good results. You could cut open or pry open a few shotgun shells to get the shot rather than buying a 25# bag. You just fill the blue capsule leaving just enough room to snap on the white base plug. Size your brass normally. Charge with powder then using the flattest punch in your seater die lightly seat the capsule to an overall length of 1.500" for .38/357 or 1.600 for .44 Magnum and apply a roll crimp heavy enough to grip the blue sleeve but being careful not to crush and break the capsule. Velocity runs from about 1000 up to 1100fps and patterns run about one inch per foot of travel. 6 feet and about a 6" pattern. In my .357 mag I tried shooting some regular loads with a capsule in another chamber and the capsule moved forward and tied up the cylinder. Maybe not enough crimp but I don't shoot regular loads in the .357 with a shot capsule in other chambers. Others have said they haven't had this happen.

ReloaderFred
March 8, 2012, 04:07 PM
Use the smallest shot you can find, which is normally #9. Fill the capsule and either tap it lightly on the bench to settle the shot, or hold it against your running vibratory tumbler to settle it. Then add a little more shot until there is just room to seat the cap and hear it snap in place. Use the data provided and just enough crimp to hold the capsule in place.

Hope this helps.

Fred

rcmodel
March 8, 2012, 04:10 PM
+1 on #9

In my experience it kills snakes deader then larger shot.

Seems to me a lot of little holes shorts out their nervous system way better then fewer bigger holes.

rc

35 Whelen
March 8, 2012, 09:14 PM
By the way, when we moved on to our property it was FRAUGHT with rattlesnakes. For the first few years I'd average killing 7-8 per year and this was without looking for them. My shot capsules loaded with #8 (I don't use #9 for anything so didn't/don't have any) fired out of my 3" Rossi 38 Special absolutely shredded rattlers from a "safe" distance of 8 - 10'.

35W

Starter52
March 8, 2012, 09:56 PM
A tiny bit of styrofoam placed in the back of the capsule will keep the shot from rattling. I take a small piece from a white styrofoam cup and compress it under the cap at the back of the capsule. Works for me.

oneounceload
March 8, 2012, 10:02 PM
#11 or 12 will put more pellets on the target, but the effective range is measured in feet, not yards

ArchAngelCD
March 10, 2012, 03:19 PM
In use a lot of W231 so that's what I used in the shotshells. The box recommended 5.0gr W231 and that's what I tried. They worked very well so I looked no further. I recommend 5.0gr W231 but i'm sure if they list your powder it will do just as well.

DANNY-L
March 12, 2012, 04:10 PM
What other powders can be used. I have no unique,bullseye or 231 and didn't really want to buy a can for a few loads. Hoping something I have could be used.

rcmodel
March 12, 2012, 04:22 PM
The tested .38/.357 Speer loads in the book use Unique, 700-X, HP38, W-231, and Bullseye.

They added Titegroup in .45 Colt on the last box of caps I had.

I suppose any pistol powder in that general burn range could be used.
But I have no charges to suggest.

What powders do You have you want to use???

rc

DANNY-L
March 12, 2012, 04:38 PM
I have 15-20 available,but the only ones I've used in handguns are aa#9,h-110,win296,imr bp,red dot,aa1680,blue dot

ReloaderFred
March 12, 2012, 04:46 PM
The Red Dot will work for this application. Use a load similar to Bullseye or 231. You're not loading for accuracy, and the fastest loads will blow patterns, so a moderate load will work best.

Hope this helps.

Fred

DANNY-L
March 12, 2012, 04:48 PM
Thanks guys

rcmodel
March 12, 2012, 04:53 PM
Red Dot should work fine.

Not suggesting you try any untested load.

But if I was going to try it, I would try 4.0 to 4.5 grains.

Use .38 Spl. wad-cutter cases if you have some.
The case web taper is not as thick and the caps will seat better in them.
Seat first to 1.500".
Then go back and apply a light roll-crimp.

rc

DANNY-L
March 12, 2012, 05:50 PM
You still have to bell the casings don't ya.

rcmodel
March 12, 2012, 05:52 PM
For sure if you don't want to bust all the caps seating them.

You should hand-start them in the cases halfway before seating to insure they go in straight without tearing the base wad.

rc

DANNY-L
March 12, 2012, 06:02 PM
Sounds good,thanks

DANNY-L
March 12, 2012, 08:35 PM
Turned out good but it don't really look like a regular crimp but they are tight.

kingmt
March 12, 2012, 10:20 PM
I use Red Dot for shot shells but I put the shot in a paper sleeve covered with wax so I don't think my data would work for you.

DANNY-L
March 13, 2012, 08:25 AM
Thats how I made them last year but then I came accross the capsules which I think goes together real good and in less time. They hold more shot also.

mcofboise
March 13, 2012, 06:08 PM
Use .38 Spl. wad-cutter cases if you have some.

So I was going to PM you and show my ignorance, but instead I looked up some old threads and I think I understand now the difference between standard and wadcutter cases. My only question would be: Any way to easily differentiate between the two in a pile of mixed brass?

mike

rcmodel
March 13, 2012, 06:20 PM
Well, all the Win & WW ones I have from back when are nickle plated and thinner down near the flash hole then other cases of the same age.

The HBWC set deeper in a case then a regular bullet, and a tapered web would squeeze the HBWC skirt when seated full depth.

I actually don't know if there is any differance in them today as HBWC is not the big deal it was in 1960's Bullseye shooting competation.

rc

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