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face
March 7, 2012, 10:12 PM
I'd like to start a post specifically for M1A's. I'd like to hear about your setups; type of scopes, mounts, rings, stock systems, etc.... I would also like to hear about issues, fixes, etc...

I currently have an M1A Loaded, pretty much out of the box accept for a bassett picatinny low mount. I'm currently in the market for rings and a scope, and would like to hear suggestions as well as your setups.

Thanks

Face

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NeuseRvrRat
March 7, 2012, 11:01 PM
more information than you probably care to read at www.m14forum.com and www.m1arifles.com

xxxleafybugxxx
March 8, 2012, 12:28 AM
I have a standard. Just ordered a sadlak and a burris fullfield ii. No rings yet.
Two issues I've had with this rifle

-Either slam fire, or an accidental bumpfires. Will occasionally fire a 2 round burst. This could very easily be on my part.
-2nd issue is with a 20 rd mag. When I try to use my 20 rd mag, the bolt hits the top of the shell causing the tip of the bullet to point down and get caught up without chambering. No problems though with the 10 rd mag... may just be a mag issue.

Other than that, I love it. Awesome rifle

MistWolf
March 8, 2012, 03:05 AM
The doubling comes from milking the trigger, that is squeezing the trigger as slowly as possible.

Try some 20 round mags from Checkmate

4v50 Gary
March 8, 2012, 04:22 AM
Mist wolf. That sounds almost like bump firing.

madcratebuilder
March 8, 2012, 07:39 AM
I have had great results with the Sadlak mount plus a few other Sadlak upgrades. The SA extractors have been know to fail, the fix is a pair of usgi extractors in the spares box.

Keep the bolt roller greased along with the op-rod and op-rod guide. Both of my SA's have been completely trouble free. I did have a bolt recall on one of them, SA paid shipping both ways and did a NM trigger job while they had it for $25.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/2M1As.jpg

M14firingline is the best sourse on info on-line.

Here's a new design mount, looks very well done.
http://www.m14.ca/M14_M1A_CASM_Scope_Mount.html

face
March 8, 2012, 09:10 AM
damn, madcratebuilder you have a few dollars invested. That mount looks pretty damn cool!

face
March 8, 2012, 10:12 AM
I've recently purchased german surplus and prvi partizan match ammo. I've yet to use the german surplus but the prvi partizan 168gr match was awesome, great ammo.

I was looking to purchase another 1000 plus rounds but the german & prvi our expensive compared to the malaysia, portuguese, pakistani, turkiush, etc... Anyone have experience with these nato rounds or any other rounds?

Cmeboston
March 8, 2012, 12:22 PM
Here is m SA Scout, I removed the optics mount and handgaurd and replaced with a GI vented version. I also Ditched the muzzle brake for a GI FH.
I have 1000+ rounds down range and have a worn/bent oprod and bent Oprod guide.....

xxxleafybugxxx
March 8, 2012, 12:36 PM
is that a 25 rd mag?

Cmeboston
March 8, 2012, 01:08 PM
Actually its a 30..... more of a novelty though.

TexasPatriot.308
March 8, 2012, 01:39 PM
I love M1As, my latest if a standard loaded, walnut stock with the California legal muzzle brake (which I like). next one will be walnut stocked scout squad. finally gonna scope one, dont know which one yet. M1As are like Ruger number 1s, very habit forming.

Cmeboston
March 8, 2012, 01:47 PM
Since buying an AR-15 recently I decided to scope my scout as well, just not with the forward mount, probably an arms #18.....

GI_Jared
March 8, 2012, 09:36 PM
Who all makes the M1A/M14 variant? The only ones I know of are Springfield and Fulton Armory, anyone else? Who is the best bang for the buck?

LoneStarWings
March 8, 2012, 09:39 PM
LRB Arms and Smith Enterprises Inc. are also currently making M14's. I have an LRB and like it much better than my old M1A (much more reliable).

henschman
March 8, 2012, 09:42 PM
Here is my current setup. It is an old Springfield M1A with all GI parts. The stock is one of SAI's new plastic stocks, which is very light weight... the rifle only weighs 8.5 lbs with the scope removed. The mount is an ARMS #18. The scope is a Leatherwood/Hi-Lux CMR 1-4x24. The rings are Leupold QRW Medium (the scope just barely clears my rear sight when it is set on it's 250m battle sight zero). The sling is one I designed myself, which is a quick adjustable 2-point tactical sling that has a built-in arm loop, which is super quick to get in and out of for sling-supported shooting when you need some extra stability in the field. The other nice thing about that plastic stock is that I was not afraid to drill on it for side mount sling studs, like I would be on a GI fiberglass or wood.

The Leatherwood is not a great scope... in fact, just this morning I noticed that the ocular lens was loose!!! :cuss: This will be a good excuse to return it and trade up for something better. I think I will go with the new Vortex Viper PST 1-4x24 FFP. I like 1-4x scopes for a battle rifle, but there are a lot of things I don't like about the Leatherwood, and I would probably be looking to replace it even if it didn't just break on me. It breaking just expedited the process.

I am usually a guy who tries to remember the rule about getting what you pay for, but occasionally I will think I have found the elusive exception... only to have reality kick me square in the testes. :eek: You'd think I'd have learned by now! I thought this scope might be OK since that company used to make scopes for the good old M21, which were high quality and worked well... but apparently now the son took over the business and decided to start making their stuff in China. :rolleyes:

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk201/henschman/guns/IMG_0126.jpg

face
March 8, 2012, 09:50 PM
You have a photo?

LoneStarWings
March 8, 2012, 10:12 PM
W/ Removable basset scope mount and 10x fixed super sniper.

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae219/randomperson8008/scope.jpg
http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae219/randomperson8008/lrb1.jpg

Jason_G
March 8, 2012, 10:15 PM
Henchman, why do you have your sling mounted on the side like that, if you don't mind me asking?

Jason

Welding Rod
March 8, 2012, 11:26 PM
LRB Arms and Smith Enterprises Inc. are also currently making M14's. I have an LRB and like it much better than my old M1A (much more reliable).

What kind of reliability problems did you have with your M1A?

LoneStarWings
March 8, 2012, 11:43 PM
My M1A scout had intermittent failures to feed. It probably happened once every 75-100 rounds. I sent it back to Springfield twice but they weren't willing to invest the time needed to really figure out what was wrong. They'd replace an extractor or something and call it good, but the problems continued to occur.

Basically it was a really frustrating problem that no amount of troubleshooting seemed to solve. As soon as I thought I'd fixed by changing to a new type of magazine, ammo, or replacing a part, it'd come right back and start misfeeding again. This thread chronicles the problems of the rifle http://m14forum.com/modern-m14/71171-m1a-scout-fails-cyle-once-every-75-100-rounds-2.html

It was really frustrating, the problems happened with 10 different kinds of ammo, both springfield and CMI (USGI) brand magazines, and I kept the rifle clean and well lubricated.

In the end I just sold the M1A. Luckily, even with full disclosure of it's problems, I still got $1000 for it.


Then I got an LRB M14sa tanker to replace it and haven't looked back. It has worked perfectly!

mshootnit
March 8, 2012, 11:46 PM
I use the bassett low railed mount, Leupold PRW rings.

henschman
March 9, 2012, 12:53 AM
Henchman, why do you have your sling mounted on the side like that, if you don't mind me asking?

Jason

That is so the rifle sits flat against my body for front-side carry. If I tried to carry it like that with the sling hooked on bottom side swivels, it would want to hang the rifle upside-down. I prefer front-side carry over shoulder carry for the field because it gives better retention, because it is quicker to bring the rifle up to take a snap shot if needed, and because if you need to go hands-free for whatever reason (like climbing or drawing a handgun), you can just release the rifle and let it hang.

This is the type of carry I'm talking about:
http://www.slingdynamics.com/sitebuilder/images/Sidewinder_II_Tactical_sling_AR15_two_point_across_chest-600x490.jpg

face
March 9, 2012, 09:56 AM
Henchman, damn nice setup, looks really nice

face
March 9, 2012, 09:58 AM
W/ Removable basset scope mount and 10x fixed super sniper.

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae219/randomperson8008/scope.jpg
http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae219/randomperson8008/lrb1.jpg
very nice, love the look

face
March 9, 2012, 10:01 AM
My M1A scout had intermittent failures to feed. It probably happened once every 75-100 rounds. I sent it back to Springfield twice but they weren't willing to invest the time needed to really figure out what was wrong. They'd replace an extractor or something and call it good, but the problems continued to occur.

Basically it was a really frustrating problem that no amount of troubleshooting seemed to solve. As soon as I thought I'd fixed by changing to a new type of magazine, ammo, or replacing a part, it'd come right back and start misfeeding again. This thread chronicles the problems of the rifle http://m14forum.com/modern-m14/71171-m1a-scout-fails-cyle-once-every-75-100-rounds-2.html

It was really frustrating, the problems happened with 10 different kinds of ammo, both springfield and CMI (USGI) brand magazines, and I kept the rifle clean and well lubricated.

In the end I just sold the M1A. Luckily, even with full disclosure of it's problems, I still got $1000 for it.


Then I got an LRB M14sa tanker to replace it and haven't looked back. It has worked perfectly!
tell me about the scope and rings(height). I also have a bassett picatinny low mount.

dprice3844444
March 9, 2012, 10:16 AM
1.got a smith semi,gi glass stock,vented handguard,trw/sak,leatherwood mount with art mpc on it.
2. smith enterprises winchester bolt/barrel setup vented guard,m14e2 stock bipod and fully functioning selector switch

face
March 9, 2012, 10:51 AM
dprice3844444, you have photo?

henschman
March 9, 2012, 02:54 PM
Thanks face. It has been through a lot of different setups, with different stocks and me trying to get an ACOG to work on it, but this is the setup I like best for overall field use.

Hmm, I think LoneStarWings and I need to trade scopes! He has the short barreled rifle with a big scope, and I have the full-length barreled one with a little scope! lol

How about it LoneStar? My broke ass Leatherwood for your Super Sniper? :D How do you like that fixed 10x on there, anyway? It seems like if I had that scope, I would want an offset red dot or something too, for use on closer targets.

BTW, the only problem I had with my rifle was that when I first got it, I would get some stovepipes when I had a scope mounted. Apparently the rifle was ejecting the brass at too high of an angle and it was contacting the scope base. I pulled off the extractor, and it was damn near worn down to a nub! It was so worn it was hard to get it off with the GI M-14 tool, since it didn't have much of an edge left on it. I replaced it with a GI extractor (and ejector while I was at it) and it is back to being a perfectly reliable and deadly machine. :)

LoneStarWings
March 10, 2012, 01:50 AM
tell me about the scope and rings(height). I also have a bassett picatinny low mount.

They are SWFA super sniper low rings and it's an SWFA super sniper 10x42 30mm fixed power scope.

boricua9mm
March 10, 2012, 08:52 AM
My 2007 Standard has a documented 1400 rounds through it. I had 5 documented FTEs when it had the factory SAI extractor. This rifle came with an H&R USGI trigger group. The rest of the gun was Springfield Armory, Inc.

The current setup wears:

-VLTOR M14 Modstock with eMod buttstock (stock has not been bedded)
-USGI Extractor to replace the quirky Springfield one
-Sadlak NM Spring Guide
-Sadlak NM non-grooved Titanium Nitride coated Gas piston
-Versa Pod Picatinny Rail & Sling Loop (no longer using the bipod)
-Smith Enterprise Vortex Flash Hider
-Smith Enterprise Weaver Mount (discontinued, but an excellent, affordable mount)
-Tactical Precision Systems TSR-W rings (low height)
-Nikon Monarch 3-12x42mm with BDC reticle

This rifle has been extremely reliable since replacing the extractor with a USGI unit. Using 10-shot groups as a measure, this rifle routinely shoots 1.5 MOA at 100 yards from a rest with Federal Gold Medal Match 168gr ammo. I've found the BDC reticle works great for the accuracy limitations of this M1A. I have had no problems placing shots on an 18" target at 600 yards. For what I need a .308 to do, this has been perfect for me.

http://www.ricanhavocproductions.com/images/vltorm14dmr.jpg

Averageman
March 10, 2012, 09:01 AM
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/Averageman1/002.jpg
SAI S/S with Mr. Basset's mount and a PEPR with a Burris Fullfield Ballisticplex.
the scope and mount were a little high so I made the "potatoe".

Rat Robb
March 10, 2012, 09:04 AM
My 2007 Standard has a documented 1400 rounds through it. I had 5 documented FTEs when it had the factory SAI extractor. This rifle came with an H&R USGI trigger group. The rest of the gun was Springfield Armory, Inc.

The current setup wears:

-VLTOR M14 Modstock with eMod buttstock (stock has not been bedded)
-USGI Extractor to replace the quirky Springfield one
-Sadlak NM Spring Guide
-Sadlak NM non-grooved Titanium Nitride coated Gas piston
-Versa Pod Picatinny Rail & Sling Loop (no longer using the bipod)
-Smith Enterprise Vortex Flash Hider
-Smith Enterprise Weaver Mount (discontinued, but an excellent, affordable mount)
-Tactical Precision Systems TSR-W rings (low height)
-Nikon Monarch 3-12x42mm with BDC reticle

This rifle has been extremely reliable since replacing the extractor with a USGI unit. Using 10-shot groups as a measure, this rifle routinely shoots 1.5 MOA at 100 yards from a rest with Federal Gold Medal Match 168gr ammo. I've found the BDC reticle works great for the accuracy limitations of this M1A. I have had no problems placing shots on an 18" target at 600 yards. For what I need a .308 to do, this has been perfect for me.

http://www.ricanhavocproductions.com/images/vltorm14dmr.jpg
Sick.

So want to get a walnut stocked Standard and try my hardest to leave it that way, lol.

-Robb

uvausmc
March 10, 2012, 10:23 AM
I've got the Scout Squad model. Not sure if they still make this particular one or not. 18" barrel. Added an Ultimak scout rail on it and a Burris Scout scope with quick-detach Leupold rings. Functions 100% and is more than accurate enough for what I use it for (plinking, some hunting, truck gun). I included a picture of when I was sighting in the scout scope and a fly landed on the target...

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh41/uvausmc/IMG_1597.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh41/uvausmc/IMG_5085.jpg

Driftertank
March 10, 2012, 11:11 AM
Overkill, indeed...


That IS a gorgeous flyswatter though.

face
March 10, 2012, 04:16 PM
My 2007 Standard has a documented 1400 rounds through it. I had 5 documented FTEs when it had the factory SAI extractor. This rifle came with an H&R USGI trigger group. The rest of the gun was Springfield Armory, Inc.

The current setup wears:

-VLTOR M14 Modstock with eMod buttstock (stock has not been bedded)
-USGI Extractor to replace the quirky Springfield one
-Sadlak NM Spring Guide
-Sadlak NM non-grooved Titanium Nitride coated Gas piston
-Versa Pod Picatinny Rail & Sling Loop (no longer using the bipod)
-Smith Enterprise Vortex Flash Hider
-Smith Enterprise Weaver Mount (discontinued, but an excellent, affordable mount)
-Tactical Precision Systems TSR-W rings (low height)
-Nikon Monarch 3-12x42mm with BDC reticle

This rifle has been extremely reliable since replacing the extractor with a USGI unit. Using 10-shot groups as a measure, this rifle routinely shoots 1.5 MOA at 100 yards from a rest with Federal Gold Medal Match 168gr ammo. I've found the BDC reticle works great for the accuracy limitations of this M1A. I have had no problems placing shots on an 18" target at 600 yards. For what I need a .308 to do, this has been perfect for me.

http://www.ricanhavocproductions.com/images/vltorm14dmr.jpg
Wow, awesome setup

face
March 10, 2012, 08:09 PM
My 2007 Standard has a documented 1400 rounds through it. I had 5 documented FTEs when it had the factory SAI extractor. This rifle came with an H&R USGI trigger group. The rest of the gun was Springfield Armory, Inc.

The current setup wears:

-VLTOR M14 Modstock with eMod buttstock (stock has not been bedded)
-USGI Extractor to replace the quirky Springfield one
-Sadlak NM Spring Guide
-Sadlak NM non-grooved Titanium Nitride coated Gas piston
-Versa Pod Picatinny Rail & Sling Loop (no longer using the bipod)
-Smith Enterprise Vortex Flash Hider
-Smith Enterprise Weaver Mount (discontinued, but an excellent, affordable mount)
-Tactical Precision Systems TSR-W rings (low height)
-Nikon Monarch 3-12x42mm with BDC reticle

This rifle has been extremely reliable since replacing the extractor with a USGI unit. Using 10-shot groups as a measure, this rifle routinely shoots 1.5 MOA at 100 yards from a rest with Federal Gold Medal Match 168gr ammo. I've found the BDC reticle works great for the accuracy limitations of this M1A. I have had no problems placing shots on an 18" target at 600 yards. For what I need a .308 to do, this has been perfect for me.

http://www.ricanhavocproductions.com/images/vltorm14dmr.jpg
How do you like the scope? I wa looking at the monarch 4x16x42, but was curious about eye relief and scope length

MistWolf
March 11, 2012, 06:53 PM
Mist wolf. That sounds almost like bump firing.

I don't know if it's actually a bump-fire or not. From what I understand (and I could be wrong, the guys over on M14 Forum could tell you better) it's something in the trigger design that causes it to double occasionally when milked. The problem goes away when the trigger is pressed firmly. I've had it happen on my M1 Garand (M14 trigger design is the same as the Garand) before I found out what was causing it

henschman
March 12, 2012, 05:09 AM
Just remember to follow through -- hold the trigger to the rear for just a moment after the rifle fires (long enough to mentally think "follow through") and you won't have any problems with accidentally bump firing it.

Lee D
March 12, 2012, 08:11 AM
some well built beauties on this thread....my basic Socom 16. all ive changed is the addition of a GI type leather sling, and 20rd Checkmate mags

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1214/pic004large.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/pic004large.jpg/)

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boricua9mm
March 12, 2012, 09:33 AM
How do you like the scope? I wa looking at the monarch 4x16x42, but was curious about eye relief and scope length

I think the Monarch w/ BDC is perfect for this application (being the full-size M1A in a DMR type shooting role). The M1A doesn't exactly deliver pinpoint accuracy like that found in a tactical bolt action rifle, and so I've found that the BDC circles are realistic and useful tools for hitting torso-sized targets in the 400-600 yard range.

I prefer 3-12x scopes because 3x on the low end is much more useful for closer targets and 12x on the high end is plenty of magnification for the 575-600 yard shooting (which is the max distance I shoot this rifle out to).

Eye relief is much more forgiving than any of the Leupold Mark IV scopes that I've tried. The scope's length "is what it is" and I don't think you'll find anything significantly shorter in the same exact variable magnification range. The Monarch glass quality is, in my opinion, equal to that of the Leupold VX3 series scopes. Nice and bright with a pretty damn accurate color representation.

john44402
March 12, 2012, 04:54 PM
Lee D, that's an exquisitely clean Socom. Great pic.

desidog
March 12, 2012, 05:34 PM
Here's my woody Loaded.
http://i44.tinypic.com/2v8id7m.jpg

Wood HG from Brownells, front sling swivel/1913 rail from Fulton, Burris Fullfield II in a SAI gen3 mount, and a re-contoured and Acraglassed cheek riser.

madcratebuilder
March 13, 2012, 07:23 AM
I've recently purchased german surplus and prvi partizan match ammo. I've yet to use the german surplus but the prvi partizan 168gr match was awesome, great ammo.

I was looking to purchase another 1000 plus rounds but the german & prvi our expensive compared to the malaysia, portuguese, pakistani, turkiush, etc... Anyone have experience with these nato rounds or any other rounds?
I've been using German surplus for three years now and I'm very happy with it. Clean burning and steel plate accuracy. I'm down to under 2K, time to find more but seems to be out of stock everywhere. IMI is good shooting surplus and the 100 rounds I ran through my AR10 seemed very accurate.

MJ
March 13, 2012, 03:55 PM
My 1st. one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/ec273e78.jpg

face
March 14, 2012, 01:06 PM
just got my nikon monarch 4x16x42 scope, looking forward to mounting it tonight and shooting this weekend.

natescout
March 14, 2012, 02:16 PM
my standard and scout

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm10/natesyz250/temp096.jpg

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